The Suns without Nash

[greenz]

I have to laugh at all of you traitors who had no problem trading away Nash for chump change. That Orlando game, that's what the Suns will look like without him. Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm. You better cherish Nash while you can (and most of you don't according to those trade scenarios many of you always put up here) You're looking at many, MANY years of suffering after he's gone. You don't know what you got til it's gone...

[DRK]

I think you have missed the point of the Steve Nash trade discussions. The discussions and trade scenarios would only take effect if Nash asked for a trade. We would certainly not want to trade Steve nash because due to his age, his trade value is low. A trade of Steve Nash would only take place if he requested one.

[Miklo]

Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm.

One bad game against the current hottest team in the NBA clearly means we have no chance at being a good team without Nash in the future.

It was our big men not our backcourt that killed us anyway.

[greenz]

I think you have missed the point of the Steve Nash trade discussions. The discussions and trade scenarios would only take effect if Nash asked for a trade. We would certainly not want to trade Steve nash because due to his age, his trade value is low. A trade of Steve Nash would only take place if he requested one.

First of all I disagree, people were just wanting to trade him, most people posts had nothing to do with him requesting a trade.

And If you think Nash is the type of guy that would request a trade like those other low class NBA players, you must not know what kind of person he is at all.

[DRK]

Nash has been in the league for more than a decade and a half. He is argueably the point guard guard ever. he knows he may not have long to go in the NBA, and if he wants to pursue a championship, which he has every right to do, I do not think the Suns would object to that.

It is only natural to want to win a championship vefore your career ends. Nash ahs every right to ask for a trade to a contender such as Orlando, and the Suns will be willing to let him go, out of respect for the man.

[greenz]

Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm.

One bad game against the current hottest team in the NBA clearly means we have no chance at being a good team without Nash in the future.

It was our big men not our backcourt that killed us anyway.

One bad game, that's funny. Since Nash signed with the Suns, the team's record when he doesn't play is 7-17 and most of those were when the Suns actually had good surrounding players, not the mediocre ones they have now. With this cast, I'd be surprised if they could win more than a few of those games.

It was the backcourt, the frontcourt, it was everybody. This is not just a one time thing, It's indicative of what the team looks like when they don't have him to lead them. Its obvious that the team is completely out of sync when he is not on the court. Sure Dragic has moments of brilliance, but he has never been consistent and he is a different type of player than Nash, He is not a pure point guard in the sense that his #1 goal is to get all his teammates involved, he plays more like a shooting/slashing guard, like a very poor man's ginobili, not Nash. He can't lead this team, and the team looks totally clueless without Nash.

[greenz]

Nash has been in the league for more than a decade and a half. He is argueably the point guard guard ever. he knows he may not have long to go in the NBA, and if he wants to pursue a championship, which he has every right to do, I do not think the Suns would object to that.

It is only natural to want to win a championship vefore your career ends. Nash ahs every right to ask for a trade to a contender such as Orlando, and the Suns will be willing to let him go, out of respect for the man.

I know that, but Nash would never do that, is my point. 99% of current NBA players would if they were in his situation, but he would not. Thats just the type of person he is. He had the opportunity to leave and be a lame ring-chaser like Shaq before this last re-signing a year ago, but he chose not to, and went into details on why he made the decision. Basically saying the journey is more important. He is extremely loyal to The Suns and Phoenix despite having to deal with a cheapskate owner and who has no clue how how to keep a winning team, just how to do dissemble them and make them mediocre.

[swe_suns]

I have to laugh at all of you traitors who had no problem trading away Nash for chump change. That Orlando game, that's what the Suns will look like without him. Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm. You better cherish Nash while you can (and most of you don't according to those trade scenarios many of you always put up here) You're looking at many, MANY years of suffering after he's gone. You don't know what you got til it's gone...

ehm u do realize that

1) Lopez (the center u know) is out creating a huge hole in the defense
2) Suns would get something (most likely a back-up PG and a PF) in return for Nash

or are u that clueless?

[greenz]

I have to laugh at all of you traitors who had no problem trading away Nash for chump change. That Orlando game, that's what the Suns will look like without him. Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm. You better cherish Nash while you can (and most of you don't according to those trade scenarios many of you always put up here) You're looking at many, MANY years of suffering after he's gone. You don't know what you got til it's gone...

ehm u do realize that

1) Lopez (the center u know) is out creating a huge hole in the defense
2) Suns would get something (most likely a back-up PG and a PF) in return for Nash

or are u that clueless?

1. Lopez has been a bum. Has barely done a thing this year. He is possibly the worst starting center in the NBA. And that' saying a lot. Look at his stats this year. And They are bad on defense without him, they are bad on defense with him. When he performs the way he does with Nash feeding him, imagine how much worse (if that's possible) he will be without him...

2. You want to trade a Hall of Famer who is still putting up the same numbers he did when he won his MVPs for a backup point guard and a PF. Yeah that sounds like a great plan. You'll finally get that PF and lose the only player that can actually make you a contender.

The Suns future looks nothing short of horrific when Steve leaves. You just better pray the lottery balls pop up our way...

[DRK]

I don't mean to be rude, but are you actually a Suns fan? Stop being so pessimistic and lighten up buddy.

[greenz]

I don't mean to be rude, but are you actually a Suns fan? Stop being so pessimistic and lighten up buddy.

I am. huge fan. Its just ridiculous to see some people seeing things with their fan goggles on and not reality. Nash is the only reason this team is not at rock bottom and all I see is people putting up trade scenarios that would get rid of him. He is the only guy that can actually make a difference to this franchise and people can't wait to get rid of him. It's unbelievable to me.

[DRK]

You do realise if Nash is traded, we will be getting significant value in return? So no, we won't be at rock bottom.

If Nash is indeed traded, we will definitly wave goodbye to the SSOL, and revert to a different, probably slower, style of play.

The game against the Magic is not an accurate measurement of how we would play without Steve Nash on the team, as we were running the same SSOL system in his absense. Running a SSOL system without Steve Nash is like trying to play NFL without a good quarterback. (Couldn't think of a better example this late at night)

So to summarise, if in fact Steve Nash is traded, we will not reach rock bottom as A, we will be running a different sstyle of play with a different point guard, and B, we will be gaining valueable assets in return. Although, if we had a choice, I would not trade Steve Nash at all.

[Miklo]

Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm.

One bad game against the current hottest team in the NBA clearly means we have no chance at being a good team without Nash in the future.

It was our big men not our backcourt that killed us anyway.

One bad game, that's funny. Since Nash signed with the Suns, the team's record when he doesn't play is 7-17 and most of those were when the Suns actually had good surrounding players, not the mediocre ones they have now. With this cast, I'd be surprised if they could win more than a few of those games.

It was the backcourt, the frontcourt, it was everybody. This is not just a one time thing, It's indicative of what the team looks like when they don't have him to lead them. Its obvious that the team is completely out of sync when he is not on the court. Sure Dragic has moments of brilliance, but he has never been consistent and he is a different type of player than Nash, He is not a pure point guard in the sense that his #1 goal is to get all his teammates involved, he plays more like a shooting/slashing guard, like a very poor man's ginobili, not Nash. He can't lead this team, and the team looks totally clueless without Nash.

7-17? With entirely different rosters each time. If we lose Nash it's not like forever, we have exactly the team we have now, minus him. Either we trade him and get significant value back or he retires and we have cap space.

Nobody is trying to say we'll be a contender right when he retires. But how do you have the crystal ball and you won't let anyone else use theirs? Arguably, I love Nash, but once he's gone we'll fully be able to go into rebuild mode, so it won't be a totally negative thing. Teams go in cycles, we'll suck for a season or 2, pick up some nice youth out of the draft and further develop the considerable young talent we have (you assume that all the talent on our roster is done growing, so without Nash again it will just be current performance minus him).

[swe_suns]

I have to laugh at all of you traitors who had no problem trading away Nash for chump change. That Orlando game, that's what the Suns will look like without him. Pretty much the worst team in the NBA. That's the future, that's Dragic at the helm. You better cherish Nash while you can (and most of you don't according to those trade scenarios many of you always put up here) You're looking at many, MANY years of suffering after he's gone. You don't know what you got til it's gone...

ehm u do realize that

1) Lopez (the center u know) is out creating a huge hole in the defense
2) Suns would get something (most likely a back-up PG and a PF) in return for Nash

or are u that clueless?

1. Lopez has been a bum. Has barely done a thing this year. He is possibly the worst starting center in the NBA. And that' saying a lot. Look at his stats this year. And They are bad on defense without him, they are bad on defense with him. When he performs the way he does with Nash feeding him, imagine how much worse (if that's possible) he will be without him...

2. You want to trade a Hall of Famer who is still putting up the same numbers he did when he won his MVPs for a backup point guard and a PF. Yeah that sounds like a great plan. You'll finally get that PF and lose the only player that can actually make you a contender.

The Suns future looks nothing short of horrific when Steve leaves. You just better pray the lottery balls pop up our way...

I never said that I wanted Steve gone. What I am saying is that we would get good value for Nash if we did actually make a trade. Btw Nash or no nash, we are miles away (gasol type of a player) from being contenders...

[hunterxaz]

You guys are funny. Nash is still an elite PG, top 3 in the NBA. He has crazy good trade value. We won't trade him though. 10 people would go to the games.

[JohnVancouver]

I think you have missed the point of the Steve Nash trade discussions. The discussions and trade scenarios would only take effect if Nash asked for a trade. We would certainly not want to trade Steve nash because due to his age, his trade value is low. A trade of Steve Nash would only take place if he requested one.

First of all I disagree, people were just wanting to trade him, most people posts had nothing to do with him requesting a trade.

And If you think Nash is the type of guy that would request a trade like those other low class NBA players, you must not know what kind of person he is at all.

Ok kid - congratulations: ignore button after 14 posts

Man, I miss Maryvale ....

[JohnVancouver]

Nash has been in the league for more than a decade and a half. He is argueably the point guard guard ever. he knows he may not have long to go in the NBA, and if he wants to pursue a championship, which he has every right to do, I do not think the Suns would object to that.

It is only natural to want to win a championship vefore your career ends. Nash ahs every right to ask for a trade to a contender such as Orlando, and the Suns will be willing to let him go, out of respect for the man.

And as far as "not knowing much" about who Nash is and how he acts, I think you will have a hard time finding anyone on this board who doesn't respect that Nash is about the most ethical and classy guy in the league. Him and Hill -

As evidenced that Nash has not asked to be traded to a contender, and re-signed here knowing the team had taken a step back. Go look up his comments about it - the definition of loyalty to his teammates, coaches, and the fans

This is not news to any of us


Apologies for being a dick with a couple of these posts but there seems to be an influx of newbies posting sweeping generalizations and it irks me

Calling Frank Lee - your turn to chastise the kiddies

[Christine-In-AZ]

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