Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[fishercob]

I don't see Dallas readily dealing Haywood. They need both he and Chandler to battle the big boys out west.

If Dallas decides that Arenas can put them over the top (and are willing to swallow his contract) at the deadline, the move that would make sense for them is Arenas for Terry and Butler. Washington buys out Butler and he returns to Dallas.

The financial relief is so huge that the Wiz might consider it. Maybe the would demand a draft pick.

Dallas would essentially be trading Terry for Arenas, which from a talent standpoint is a no brainer. They roll with a rotation of Chandler, Dirk, Haywood, Marion, Butler, Kidd, Arenas, Barea.

At the end of the day, I still don't think that team gets by the Lakers, but maybe Cuban does and thinks it's worth a shot.

[nate33]

I'd do that too, fishercob. I guess it depends on how Haywood plays for the rest of the season. If he continues to be as bad as he has been so far this year, then they might not view the Haywood for Hilton swap to be such a downgrade:

Pace adjusted per-36 numbers:

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Player           PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
haywood,brendan  7.0  9.3  0.1  0.4  1.8  1.6  4.1 .583 .519  9.1
armstrong,hilto  8.6 10.2  0.7  1.2  1.9  2.6  6.3 .607 .604 11.2

Of course, we'd have to ask ourselves why Haywood has played so poorly. Is it the system? Or did Haywood not put in the offseason work this year now that he is fat and happy with a new contract. (I note his FT% is a ridiculously bad 23.8%, he is 5 of 21 on the season.)

[Benjammin]

As much as I like and have defended Haywood, I feel that ship has sailed. It's time to move forward. I would be concerned about Haywood's motivation to play on a rebuilding team, especially after he has gotten paid.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Said this in another thread: Seraphin and a #1 for Demarcus Cousins.

Javale's the starter, clearly at C. Blatche has experience and is clearly the man at PF. Demarcus is raising eyebrows and not the answer in Sacto. I think it could very easily be as simple as he's not playing with Wall in Sacramento, but he is in a crowded frontcourt with Dalembert and Thompson. Cousins isn't handling foul problems and bench role well in Cali, but he would here.

Who would do the above deal? Would the Kings bite? Should the Wizards offer.

I think Cousins is a flat out beast, regardless of the early stats. Flip's converted me from the way Javale and Andray have come around under him. I'm shutting the hell up and climbing aboard on the train, while sipping the Koolaid.

Big Cuz as a Wizard?

[willbcocks]

The problem is that the one saying it is you and not the Kings' GM. I don't see any way they do that unless we win the lottery next year.

[Hoopalotta]

One point worth noting is that it seems unlikely that we'll have a max contract slot in 2012 with how McGee's been playing. Even if he falls off some, it would be Leonsis' MO to hit McGee with an extension and that will probably take us out of that range.

That would change things for the whole spectrum as far as what was or was not doable as far as trades or signings.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Said this in another thread: Seraphin and a #1 for Demarcus Cousins.

Javale's the starter, clearly at C. Blatche has experience and is clearly the man at PF. Demarcus is raising eyebrows and not the answer in Sacto. I think it could very easily be as simple as he's not playing with Wall in Sacramento, but he is in a crowded frontcourt with Dalembert and Thompson. Cousins isn't handling foul problems and bench role well in Cali, but he would here.

Who would do the above deal? Would the Kings bite? Should the Wizards offer.

I think Cousins is a flat out beast, regardless of the early stats. Flip's converted me from the way Javale and Andray have come around under him. I'm shutting the hell up and climbing aboard on the train, while sipping the Koolaid.

Big Cuz as a Wizard?

Unless McGee is *REALLY* going to be a face up PF, or we're willing to trade McGee for Cousins, I don't see this happening (and we'd have to throw in Blatche, most likely)

[closg00]

Said this in another thread: Seraphin and a #1 for Demarcus Cousins.

Javale's the starter, clearly at C. Blatche has experience and is clearly the man at PF. Demarcus is raising eyebrows and not the answer in Sacto. I think it could very easily be as simple as he's not playing with Wall in Sacramento, but he is in a crowded frontcourt with Dalembert and Thompson. Cousins isn't handling foul problems and bench role well in Cali, but he would here.

Who would do the above deal? Would the Kings bite? Should the Wizards offer.

I think Cousins is a flat out beast, regardless of the early stats. Flip's converted me from the way Javale and Andray have come around under him. I'm shutting the hell up and climbing aboard on the train, while sipping the Koolaid.

Big Cuz as a Wizard?

I would suspect that Seraphin has very low trade value based upon how-raw he is. I would trade him for a low 1st round pick next year if we could get it - but would keep him if the Wizards sent him to the D-League for the year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't see Dallas readily dealing Haywood. They need both he and Chandler to battle the big boys out west.

If Dallas decides that Arenas can put them over the top (and are willing to swallow his contract) at the deadline, the move that would make sense for them is Arenas for Terry and Butler. Washington buys out Butler and he returns to Dallas.

The financial relief is so huge that the Wiz might consider it. Maybe the would demand a draft pick.

Dallas would essentially be trading Terry for Arenas, which from a talent standpoint is a no brainer. They roll with a rotation of Chandler, Dirk, Haywood, Marion, Butler, Kidd, Arenas, Barea.

At the end of the day, I still don't think that team gets by the Lakers, but maybe Cuban does and thinks it's worth a shot.

Great post, fish. I could see this deal going down.

Also, I could see the same kind of deal going down with Kidd instead of Terry. As much of an icon as he is, Jason K is getting older at PG. IMO sending Gilbert to Dallas and playing him with Kidd reduces Gil as a Maverick to a catch and shoot player. Alternatively, Gilbert with Jason T might be more interchangeable as both could take turns in attack mode with the ball in their hands.

I doubt the Mavs trade Kidd, but just saying I could see swapping him for Gil, just as easily as I see them swapping Terry for Gil.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If McGee starts sucking again and looks like a lost cause, I'll be all for this deal, but at the moment I'm happy without Brendan "starter or sulk" Haywood.

Agreed. If McGee is producing as a starter, I don't want to acquire a backup center with a $50M+ contract. Especially if he's a guy that won't accept his role, and doubly especially since we have a coach that benches young guys whenever there is a vet available (even if that vet isn't as good). I'd rather stick with McGee for a full season and bring in a cheap vet next year for depth when McGee can have solidified himself as the unquestioned starter.

Oh and I'm also souring on the whole idea of trading Arenas. I'd sitll deal him for 100% expirings but even that could change by the time the trade deadline comes around.

I agree 100% on keeping McGee and not looking back at Haywood. Also, I say keep Gil just like you said, LR, unless you can trade him for 100% expirings. I'll add only trade Gil to a winning team, too. (Orlando comes to mind).

[Severn Hoos]

One point worth noting is that it seems unlikely that we'll have a max contract slot in 2012 with how McGee's been playing. Even if he falls off some, it would be Leonsis' MO to hit McGee with an extension and that will probably take us out of that range.

That would change things for the whole spectrum as far as what was or was not doable as far as trades or signings.

Plus, as of now, the only guy that would really be worth a max slot in 2012 would be Dwight Howard - which wouldn't make sense if we had locked up JaVale. (Though if Howard let it be known he was definitely leaving, a sign & trade with JaVale going back to Orlando could be intriguing for both teams.) Plus, Nick may be playing himself into a mid-size extension as well, further cutting into the cap space.

Because of this, I'm more interested in using the cap space in either 2011 or 2012 to acquire a starting-caliber support player to fill in around Wall, McGee, Arenas (now - if they do move Gil, the whole scenario changes), and Blatche. Guys I've thrown out there in the past include Deng, Okafor, and Iguodala. The idea is to find a guy who's slightly overpaid, preferably on a team that's trying to get under the cap/tax and willing to just about give away a solid contributor.

The real key is to make sure that whoever is acquired strengthens the defense. We can certainly score, but have to be better at stopping teams. Letting opponents shoot 50+% and score 100-110 or more consistently is not a recipe for success.

It all depends on the lockout, new CBA, hard vs. soft cap, etc. - so I expect they won't be doing any big deals until after the new CBA is all sorted out.

[verbal8]

The Wizards could put together one of the best packages for a team looking to add depth. I think Thornton, Young and Yi could help a lot of contenders.

I think at this point the Wizards probably try to get expiring contracts and a pick or prospect. Although a young defensive front-court vet could be a good addition also.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gerald Wallace, Hoopalotta? Charlotte's got some huge money problems and if that team doesn't win, him or Captain Jack might have to go.

Other candidates besides Iguodala (a no brainer fit) would be Danny Granger, Nicholas Batum, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Jason Richardson. Just off the top--swing men the Wizards could use IMO.

[verbal8]

Gerald Wallace, Hoopalotta? Charlotte's got some huge money problems and if that team doesn't win, him or Captain Jack might have to go.

Other candidates besides Iguodala (a no brainer fit) would be Danny Granger, Nicholas Batum, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Jason Richardson. Just off the top--swing men the Wizards could use IMO.

I think those all could be good additions. I think adding Gay would be a mistake unless Arenas was moved and a defensive player was acquired in return.

[LyricalRico]

Offseason deal if...

- Memphis decides to pay Gasol but not Randolph
- the Wiz don't otherwise acquire a starting SF
- Blatche continues to play soft in the middle

Wizards trade: Andray Blatche
Grizzlies trade: Thabeet and Henry

Lots of "Ifs" have to happen but I think it's an interesting deal. We get a solid defensive backup C and a starting SF, while Memphis gets a start PF at a much cheaper price than Randolph would presumably demand.

It leaves us with a hole at starting PF, but we'll have some FA options to choose from:

Nene (if he opts out)
Zach Randolph (if we're willing to pay)
Troy Murphy
Carl Landry
Andrei Kirilenko

The last 3 can probably be had for something around the MLE, meaning we'd still have money to spend on our bench. Nene would probably be my first choice, though.

McGee/Thabeet
Nene/Booker
Henry/Gee
Arenas/Young
Wall/Hinrich

[Benjammin]

Offseason deal if...

- Memphis decides to pay Gasol but not Randolph
- the Wiz don't otherwise acquire a starting SF
- Blatche continues to play soft in the middle

Wizards trade: Andray Blatche
Grizzlies trade: Thabeet and Henry

Lots of "Ifs" have to happen but I think it's an interesting deal. We get a solid defensive backup C and a starting SF, while Memphis gets a start PF at a much cheaper price than Randolph would presumably demand.

It leaves us with a hole at starting PF, but we'll have some FA options to choose from:

Nene (if he opts out)
Zach Randolph (if we're willing to pay)
Troy Murphy
Carl Landry
Andrei Kirilenko

The last 3 can probably be had for something around the MLE, meaning we'd still have money to spend on our bench. Nene would probably be my first choice, though.

McGee/Thabeet
Nene/Booker
Henry/Gee
Arenas/Young
Wall/Hinrich

Nothing here interests me. Blatche has not played well so far this season, but I have reason to expect as he gets healthy and in shape that he will play better. Thabeet is a huge bust. Other than the fact he was the second pick in the draft, he has no value. I like Henry but not that much. I am certainly open to dealing Blatche in the right deal but this one doesn't come close.

[Illuminaire]

Hmm. Everytime I watch Iguodala, I remember how much I love his game and wish he could be the third best player on a contending team. Now I'm off to the trade machine to see if we can get him off the Sixers without killing our cap or ending up with too few shooters on the court.

[verbal8]

Offseason deal if...

- Memphis decides to pay Gasol but not Randolph
- the Wiz don't otherwise acquire a starting SF
- Blatche continues to play soft in the middle

Wizards trade: Andray Blatche
Grizzlies trade: Thabeet and Henry

Lots of "Ifs" have to happen but I think it's an interesting deal. We get a solid defensive backup C and a starting SF, while Memphis gets a start PF at a much cheaper price than Randolph would presumably demand.

I think the return is too low for Blatche. I really can't see trading Blatche to the Grizzlies without getting Gasol in return. I might consider Rudy Gay and an incentive, if Arenas was moved.

I don't see Thabeet as much of an upgrade over Seraphin. Also Henry hasn't done much in the NBA yet.

[BruceO]

I knew people would be here devising ways to trade blatche but IMO you don't trade blatche. I said this before he blew up and i;ll say it again. I am back with my players i'd love to acquire but I won't say how. All I know is we should keep wall, Blatche and MCgee. Everyone else is moveable.
I can't have beasley anymore like I wanted because as we see he has blown up. Can't have darko as well cause he also has blown up. So currently the young players that I want are greg Oden ( before he comes back from injury), Evan Turner ( before he turns the corner) and cousins ( before they resolve the attitude issues).
Other than that the type of players I'd like on the wing are I'd love igoudala, kevin martin, danny granger ( any combination of two) if gil doesn't pan out a lineup with wall, kevin martin and iggy would be a good three player guard lineup. This might not be necessary if gil and howard work out.

I think we need one more big man who can rebound. The noahs are unavailable so my mind is on Oden or any draft pick that can fit the bill. NO more finesse bigs needed.
My ideal lineup would be wall a fast penetrating guard who can get to the line.
A shooting guard who can get to the line and has range ( K mart)
A backup shooting guard/ SF who can do everything and defend ( iggy)
A big Sf who can score and rebound and has range ( granger)
A versatile PF who has a passing ability and ability to rebound and block shots ( blatche could be this)
A center who can rebound and block shots ( javale)
a center who can help team defense and rebound (oden)

[Hoopalotta]

Gerald Wallace, Hoopalotta? Charlotte's got some huge money problems and if that team doesn't win, him or Captain Jack might have to go.

Other candidates besides Iguodala (a no brainer fit) would be Danny Granger, Nicholas Batum, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Jason Richardson. Just off the top--swing men the Wizards could use IMO.

Like Severn noted, I think it seems pretty likely that any serious acquisition would be after the new CBA is sorted out. Batum, Granger and Gay are basically untouchable and to me, Igoudala is damaged goods based on extended loosening (plus he's a poor shooter and I'm well fixated on a nice stroke at the 3 spot).

Richardson would actually be real good, except that he's older, but he's just the kind of two guard I'd look at next to Wall. Deng actually is not far from a fair prototype to play with Wall, but I'm having a hard time getting genuinely excited about him (his efficiency's well off so far this year). My understanding is that we could have taken Deng instead of Hiney earlier this summer (I forget where I read that, so maybe I'm wrong). Gerald Wallace strikes me as a guy who's going to start declining soon and my understanding is that, if he has another concussion......well.....

But Granger or Batum would be fantastic, yes, I just think we'll need to find our own 2.0 version's in the draft (though it does seem that we might have dropped the ball on the Beasley thing). There are a whole gaggle of free agent wings this year in addition to a bunch of guys projecting into the later lottery-mid round. The free agents aren't great talents at face value, but a lot of them are young and someone might blowup.

For example, Sonny Weems, Wilson Chandler and Thaddeus Young are flawed in one way or another, but I wouldn't rule out at least one of them surprising us and turning into a real steal for somebody. Of course the other two could easily end up being overpaid, so it's a fine line.