Raymond Felton's case for the All Star Game

AWalkerREMIX · Post #21 » by **AWalkerREMIX** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:22 pm

This thread was a major fail from the get-go. How is Rose ahead of Rondo, respectively?

illiance · Post #22 » by **illiance** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:22 pm

No shot. Vince Carter and Dwayne Wade are guaranteed to be voted starters. Rondo and Rose are virtual locks. Joe Johnson is probably a near lock based on being an incumbent. That's already 5 players.

High0ctane21 · Post #23 » by **High0ctane21** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:38 pm

AWalkerREMIX wrote:This thread was a major fail from the get-go. How is Rose ahead of Rondo, respectively?

First of all, I'm not sure anyone did say that Rose is ahead of Rondo. If they did, it's because D-Rose is having an amazing season. Only player who is averaging 25-8 for the season. 3rd in the league in scoring, and isn't surrounded by Hall of Famers. Even little Nate Robinson was able to put up 22-10 assists the other night playing with them. I bet Rondo playing with the Bulls would be lucky to average 10 assists. Not to mention, Rondo is averaging 11 points a game & is a 46% free throw shooter :lol:

But anyway, that's beside the point. While Felton is having himself a nice season, I just can't see the coaches voting him in. I guess it wouldn't shock me if he did/didn't make it though. Outside of Rose/Rondo/Wade, there isn't a sure lock for a guard in the East.

Big Shamrock · Post #24 » by **Big Shamrock** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:45 pm

High0ctane21 wrote:
AWalkerREMIX wrote:This thread was a major fail from the get-go. How is Rose ahead of Rondo, respectively?

Because D-Rose is having an amazing season. Only player who is averaging 25-8 for the season. 3rd in the league in scoring, and isn't surrounded by Hall of Famers. Even little Nate Robinson was able to put up 22-10 assists the other night playing with them. I bet Rondo playing with the Bulls would be lucky to average 10 assists. Not to mention, Rondo is averaging 11 points a game & is a 46% free throw shooter

Are any of the Big 3 currently playing at hall of fame levels? No...don't be silly.

Rondo's averaging 14+ assists per game. You can make the "well if he was on _____" argument all day, about any player and any team.

Knicker23 · Post #25 » by **Knicker23** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:49 pm

dabadestalbo69 wrote:
Nom De Guerre wrote:Ray Ray has been great, but no way do the Knicks deserve 2 all-stars.

they dont even deserve one

lol... Stat doesn't deserve to be on the all star team? :rofl:

Felton has played very well, not sure if he's all star quality but he certainly deserves the mention with his play thus far.

High0ctane21 · Post #26 » by **High0ctane21** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:59 pm

Big Shamrock wrote:
High0ctane21 wrote:
AWalkerREMIX wrote:This thread was a major fail from the get-go. How is Rose ahead of Rondo, respectively?

Because D-Rose is having an amazing season. Only player who is averaging 25-8 for the season. 3rd in the league in scoring, and isn't surrounded by Hall of Famers. Even little Nate Robinson was able to put up 22-10 assists the other night playing with them. I bet Rondo playing with the Bulls would be lucky to average 10 assists. Not to mention, Rondo is averaging 11 points a game & is a 46% free throw shooter
Are any of the Big 3 currently playing at hall of fame levels? No...don't be silly.

Rondo's averaging 14+ assists per game. You can make the "well if he was on _____" argument all day, about any player and any team.

While they aren't playing on Hall-of-fame levels, they are still playing near all-star level. Just think about it...

Bogans < Ray Allen
Deng < Pierce
Gibson < KG

Boston has a stacked team, top to bottom. Rondo is definitely benefiting from that and taking full advantage. Rondo is a great all-around PG, but I wouldn't put him above Rose.

Foye · Post #27 » by **Foye** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:00 pm

Mamba Venom wrote:Mike-D factor again

+1

AWalkerREMIX · Post #28 » by **AWalkerREMIX** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:01 pm

High0ctane21 wrote:
AWalkerREMIX wrote:This thread was a major fail from the get-go. How is Rose ahead of Rondo, respectively?

First of all, I'm not sure anyone did say that Rose is ahead of Rondo. If they did, it's because D-Rose is having an amazing season. Only player who is averaging 25-8 for the season. 3rd in the league in scoring, and isn't surrounded by Hall of Famers. Even little Nate Robinson was able to put up 22-10 assists the other night playing with them. I bet Rondo playing with the Bulls would be lucky to average 10 assists. Not to mention, Rondo is averaging 11 points a game & is a 46% free throw shooter

But anyway, that's beside the point. While Felton is having himself a nice season, I just can't see the coaches voting him in. I guess it wouldn't shock me if he did/didn't make it though. Outside of Rose/Rondo/Wade, there isn't a sure lock for a guard in the East.

Okay, so let's give Rose a team of Hall of Famers. Iverson at the SG, Malone at the PF, Yao at the C spot, and Vince Carter at the 3. Let's see those 15 apg!

SweetStroke · Post #29 » by **SweetStroke** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:24 pm

Are those the same numbers that Chris Duhon was putting up a few years ago when D'Antoni showed up in NY?
He didn't make the all star game, and neither will Felton.

omerome · Post #30 » by **omerome** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:25 pm

SweetStroke wrote:Are those the same numbers that Chris Duhon was putting up a few years ago when D'Antoni showed up in NY?
He didn't make the all star game, and neither will Felton.

Duhon wasn't averaging almost 18PPG.

And he sucked anyways.

Dantares · Post #31 » by **Dantares** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:46 pm

here's the 4 guards in the east that are locks to make the all-star game

Rondo
Rose
Wade
Joe Johnson

here's the 2nd tier of east guards that are currently on playoff teams if the season ended today

Ray Allen
Vince Carter
Jameer Nelson
Raymond Felton

here's all the 2nd tier guards that are currently on lottery teams if the season ended today

Iguodala
Brandon Jennings
John Wall
Stephen jackson
Devin Harris
Rip Hamilton
Rodney Stuckey

I think Felton has the best chance of all the 2nd tier guards currently on playoff teams because his numbers are better than Ray, Vince and Jameer. And coaches put more stock into the players on winning teams so yeah i think Felton has a great chance.

Post #32 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:13 pm

I think Felton has the best chance of all the 2nd tier guards currently on playoff teams because his numbers are better than Ray, Vince and Jameer. And coaches put more stock into the players on winning teams so yeah i think Felton has a great chance.

wait, that isn't consistent at all. coaches put more stock into players on winning teams, yet felton has a better chance than allen, carter, and nelson?

Raps in 4 · Post #33 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:20 pm

Any PG can put up the same of better numbers under D'Antoni.

King of Troy · Post #34 » by **King of Troy** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:23 pm

UssjTrunks wrote:Any PG can put up the same of better numbers under D'Antoni.

Not at all true. But keep trolling.

NYK 455 · Post #35 » by **NYK 455** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:37 pm

Jesus, enough with the D'Antoni stuff, watch a few games instead of drawing conclusions. He came from a very restrictive system under Brown, of course his numbers would go up. Amar'es numbers have gone down, and per 36, Duhon was the exact same thing he always was during his tenure here.

But yeah, Felton has been great. I think his efficency and scoring will dip a bit though. He's actually been better for us than Amar'e imo, so it'd be nice if he got an all star spot.

Knickz4life88 · Post #36 » by **Knickz4life88** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:40 pm

I can understand people saying Felton wont make the Allstar game but did somebody just say the Knicks dont deserve any player to make it? As if Amare is some bum that never makes the Allstar games? Smh..Why? Because he's a Knick? Makes no sense to me,hate on..All that aside as much as Felton has been ballin i dont see him getting voted in because he's not a big name..But atleast we have Stat =D..And as for the Rondo Rose as much as i do like Rondo's game he definately gets his teammates more involved i think i'd put Rose as the starter though..Imo he's more entertaining too..Not a knock on Rondo he's a great pg who somehow gets amazingly better every yr.

JordansBulls · Post #37 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:25 pm

People the allstar game selects 4-5 guards in general. So Wade can be the only SG while 4 other PG's are selected.

Legendary 33 · Post #38 » by **Legendary 33** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:33 pm

AWalkerREMIX wrote:This thread was a major fail from the get-go. How is Rose ahead of Rondo, respectively?

I never said that? But I'll play along.

Rose is more popular and (arguably) an equal or better player.

That Nicka · Post #39 » by **That Nicka** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:43 pm

Felton does not have a legit case imo

JordansBulls · Post #40 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:46 pm

Dantares wrote:here's the 4 guards in the east that are locks to make the all-star game

Rondo
Rose
Wade
Joe Johnson

here's the 2nd tier of east guards that are currently on playoff teams if the season ended today

Ray Allen
Vince Carter
Jameer Nelson
Raymond Felton

here's all the 2nd tier guards that are currently on lottery teams if the season ended today

Iguodala
Brandon Jennings
John Wall
Stephen jackson
Devin Harris
Rip Hamilton
Rodney Stuckey

I think Felton has the best chance of all the 2nd tier guards currently on playoff teams because his numbers are better than Ray, Vince and Jameer. And coaches put more stock into the players on winning teams so yeah i think Felton has a great chance.

How is Joe Johnson a lock???