Millsap

[Gothapotamus]

There has been an ongoing debate with a few people in my office....

That is that upon the return of Okur, Millsap should be the starting SF. I for one think that is a bad idea and that Paul would be unable to defend the 3 efficiently. The argument that is made from those who think it would be great seems to come from the offensive outburst he showed against Miami with his 3's. The notion is that it would increase our rebounding, which from a stat sheet perspective, I can see that, but I think that the defensive end is hurt badly with Millsap at the 3.

Thoughts?

[Neon Black]

I completely agree with you...AK is a more effective option at the 3 and imo would put up better numbers there. He's a glue guy at the position and has been shooting the long ball as effectively as Millsap would.

I honestly have always thought Okur would be great off the bench. Or start him and bring one of Sap/Jeggerson off the bench with big minutes, allowing Okur to spread the floor for both players at different times.

I like Millsap in the post; despite his height disadvantage, he matches up well with 4's of the league. I don't think he'd hit many 3's with a fast, athletic 3 in his face anyway, much less be able to defend them.

[DiscoLives4ever]

Although not starting, I would be interested to see a line-up of Memo-Big AL- Millsap-AK-Deron

Reminds me of the old D-Will + 4 forwards lineup we ran with Harpring and Boozer. Could create havoc with mismatches, potentially

[MeestR]

Although not starting, I would be interested to see a line-up of Memo-Big AL- Millsap-AK-Deron

Reminds me of the old D-Will + 4 forwards lineup we ran with Harpring and Boozer. Could create havoc with mismatches, potentially

[schneiderjazz]

I think we should at first bring Memo off the bench up until he can play regular minutes. Then put Memo in the starting lineup and bring either Sap or Al off the bench. Sap would be ideal off the bench IMO, because Memo and Al, at least on paper, should work pretty well offensively and our offense in the 1st quarter has been atrocious almost every game this season. Our bench would be a lot better with Sap on it and our starting lineup would be bigger and complement each other better IMO.
The one thing that would bother me would be benching Sap though. He has been amazing this season.

[StocktonShorts]

I'll be really surprised if Memo is in the starting lineup at any point this season.

[The59Sound]

Benching Sap would make him very, very unhappy. And personally, I think he's earned his spot and deserves to stay in the starting lineup, even with a healthy Memo.

[Ming Kong!]

Benching Sap would make him very, very unhappy. And personally, I think he's earned his spot and deserves to stay in the starting lineup, even with a healthy Memo.

One thing is clear - Williams and Millsap have earned their spots.

You could make a case that Kirilenko would be as effective off the bench, but I like Mile's energy off the bench, plus Miles feels the need to take over the offense when he's on the floor, so having him with the first unit for long stetches may be a bad idea.

Bell hasn't been the answer on offense, but his 8 points is not very far from the 10 that Miles game us last season, and he's been drawing charges like a mad man. I say leave him until someone earns the spot over him.

Jefferson hasn't been perfect, far from it. He's been very inconsistent, but I think he's learning the system and will get it by All-Star break, benching him for Okur will probably make him unhappy, stunt his growth with the team, and probably cause him to opt out of the team in the future.

The team has been playing GREAT on the road, let those home woes fix themselves. If it aint broke, don't fix it. As far as the new guys not playing great, well some are rookies, then others are just new to the system, hell Williams is adjusting as well. In time this lineup will be fine. The bench probably needs Okur to spread the floor even more to help them get some looks, cause they are the ones really struggling.

[carrottop12]

I hate the idea of Millsap at the SF, and in fact it seems our strongest line up this year has been when we go small with 2 PG's, CJ at SF, and then AK, Paul, Elson in a PF/C rotation. We play killer defense, we rebound, and we are fast.

[Spre_4_3]

since november 12 he's only had one game over 20 points and one game with double digit boards. i don't think he "deserves" the starting powerforward role until he can produce a near 20 10 consistently. it seems like people are only assessing him based on that stretch of 6-7 games of excellent play. that's been the problem with sap and cj going back to last year, they're not consistent

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

since november 12 he's only had one game over 20 points and one game with double digit boards. i don't think he "deserves" the starting powerforward role until he can produce a near 20 10 consistently. it seems like people are only assessing him based on that stretch of 6-7 games of excellent play. that's been the problem with sap and cj going back to last year, they're not consistent

Not really. The problem with Sap is he gets worn down because he has to excert himself too much to overcome his size issues and the way he plays as a hustle banger inside. That's why was more "consistent" as a bench player because he doesn't get as beat as he does a full time starter.

[Ming Kong!]

Millsap can play the 3 just to be a little more flexible, and we can play Miles at two so we can get more run from him too when he's feeling it, but we're very deep at the 3, AK and Miles have been two of our best 5 players for sure.

[The59Sound]

since november 12 he's only had one game over 20 points and one game with double digit boards. i don't think he "deserves" the starting powerforward role until he can produce a near 20 10 consistently. it seems like people are only assessing him based on that stretch of 6-7 games of excellent play. that's been the problem with sap and cj going back to last year, they're not consistent

Lumping Sap's consistency in with CJ's is absolutely ridiculous. Paul was one of the few rock-solid guys you could always count on last year.

This year, in his least productive stretch -- the one you pointed out, beginning November 12 -- Millsap is averaging 15 points and 8 rebounds on 49% shooting.

Compare CJ's worst consecutive 7 game-stretch this season: 10 points and 3 rebounds, on 36% shooting.

Sap's production since November 12 has hardly been embarrassing, and certainly can't be equated with the inconsistent output of a CJ Miles.

As for him not "deserving" the starting power forward role, who does deserve it? Al Jefferson, who has also had only one 20-point night since November 12, and who has outrebounded Sap just twice during that stretch? Memo, the guy who will be coming back from a career-changing injury and has never averaged 20 points or 10 rebounds?

[Paper Face]

The logic on this thread is baffling.

This year, in his least productive stretch -- the one you pointed out, beginning November 12 -- Millsap is averaging 15 points and 8 rebounds on 49% shooting.

Except for you. These are starters numbers. I guess Sap has to put up superstar numbers to even be considered a starter over Okur, who hasn't played for over 200 days.

At least let Memo prove he can still make a 3-pointer before jettisoning a player as "inconsistent" as Millsap.

[Spre_4_3]

The logic on this thread is baffling.

This year, in his least productive stretch -- the one you pointed out, beginning November 12 -- Millsap is averaging 15 points and 8 rebounds on 49% shooting.

Except for you. These are starters numbers. I guess Sap has to put up superstar numbers to even be considered a starter over Okur, who hasn't played for over 200 days.

At least let Memo prove he can still make a 3-pointer before jettisoning a player as "inconsistent" as Millsap.

I didn't say he shouldn't be a starter. I was responding to the comment that Sap was entitled to the starting forward position, to which was my reply, he doesn't deserve it until he's producing near 20 10 numbers. Do I think he should b e a starter, yes. Is he productive, yes. Does he deserve the starting position over other players on the team, no until he shows more consistent dominant play. Deserve is the key word.

[The59Sound]

The logic on this thread is baffling.

This year, in his least productive stretch -- the one you pointed out, beginning November 12 -- Millsap is averaging 15 points and 8 rebounds on 49% shooting.

Except for you. These are starters numbers. I guess Sap has to put up superstar numbers to even be considered a starter over Okur, who hasn't played for over 200 days.

At least let Memo prove he can still make a 3-pointer before jettisoning a player as "inconsistent" as Millsap.

I didn't say he shouldn't be a starter. I was responding to the comment that Sap was entitled to the starting forward position, to which was my reply, he doesn't deserve it until he's producing near 20 10 numbers. Do I think he should b e a starter, yes. Is he productive, yes. Does he deserve the starting position over other players on the team, no until he shows more consistent dominant play. Deserve is the key word.

I don't understand this. He "deserves" it because he's a better, more productive player. Would you feel more comfortable with the word "earn?"

[Paper Face]

I was responding to the comment that Sap was entitled to the starting forward position, to which was my reply, he doesn't deserve it until he's producing near 20 10 numbers.

Yeah. Like I said: baffling.

Do I think he should b e a starter, yes. Is he productive, yes. Does he deserve the starting position over other players on the team, no until he shows more consistent dominant play. Deserve is the key word.

I think you're right that 'deserve' is the key word. But you appear to be batty in inferring that there is anyone on the team that deserves the 4 spot over him. Why, exactly, does he have to produce 20/10 numbers to 'deserve' it?

[Spre_4_3]

you guys are idiots

[Paper Face]

you guys are idiots

If you're going to rely on insults to win an argument, then you never had a point in the first place.

[Soul Patch]

you guys are idiots

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