What will it take for Bogans to be benched?

[Ralphb07]

We can't start Watson because we need him off the bench for Rose since they're our only two ball-handlers.

Brewer should play more, but I hate Korver getting too many minutes at the 2, Shannon Brown ran him ragged last night. Teams go straight at him. We should play him more at his natural position of SF whenever it's apparent that Luol "5-13" Deng has checked out of the game.

I think Brewer and Korver should play 20-25 minutes per night. What we need is another rotation player here. I also don't mind Brewer and Korver off the bench and IMO once Gibson moves to a reserve role having Gibson, Brewer and Korver as your key reserves IMO is really strong. What needs to happen is getting a player better than Bogans. Guys I'd look at is Brandon Rush, Marcus Thornton, guys like that.

The key to the Bulls is to keep this exact team intact and replace Bogans with a younger more talented player that only cost picks/ James Johnson. I really think Marcus Thornton is who the Bulls need to go after

[Red Larrivee]

Bogans minutes during the road trip:

14
15
18
13

Essentially, Bogans has already been benched.

Meanwhile, Ronnie Brewer's minutes during the road trip:

32
24
20
27

Essentially he's been the starter. Technically you can say Bogans is the starter, but he's really not.

[panthermark]

Bogans minutes during the road trip:

14
15
18
13

Essentially, Bogans has already been benched.

Meanwhile, Ronnie Brewer's minutes during the road trip:

32
24
20
27

Essentially he's been the starter. Technically you can say Bogans is the starter, but he's really not.

Very true...
The problem is that neither one are a great fit for the starting line-up.

I like Brewer off the bench, I think he works very well with Korver and they are basically the Yin and Yang to each other. Plus, he can be a defensive spark. But he needs to be able to shoot from the outside. Cutting and playing the baseline is awesome...but it can be both good and bad.

The cut he had down the middle for the reverse dunk = awesome.

The play where he snuck baseline, and got the ball...but the lane was crowded so he could not shoot and tried to pass it to Noah....that play led to a 3 second violation. = bad That is a play that does not really show up his stats, but him not being an "outside" threat hurts. (Kinda like when Bogans does not shoot an open jumper...but passes it to someone else that is forced to take a tougher shot).

Hopefully something will open up at the deadline (or sooner)...and Boozer return will also help a bit.

[MrSparkle]

People gotta lay off Bogans. Our chemistry, ball movement and defense has been a heavy upgrade since last year, and I think Bogans gets to share the credit with Thibo as part of the turn-around. Glad to have him on the team. Wish he'd make more shots, but we also need Brewer to play better to validate that starting position. Brewer and Korver make much more salary, and they're not doing anything to make themselves stand ahead of Bogans.

[BeKuK]

Bogans minutes during the road trip:

14
15
18
13

Essentially, Bogans has already been benched.

Meanwhile, Ronnie Brewer's minutes during the road trip:

32
24
20
27

Essentially he's been the starter. Technically you can say Bogans is the starter, but he's really not.

good post!!! I agree with you!

[Jahensle]

Bogans has two jobs:

Defend and Knock down open 3s.

He is barely average with his defense, lacking the speed and athleticism to be any better,
And he isn't making his 3s.

I'd say it's time to start Brewer or maybe even CJ.

SMH. Is that a joke. CJ is horrid. He is a huge, huge problem as well.

Watson sucks but he is certainly better than Bogans, Watson plays good D as well. He's just too small to guard 2 guards.

[nitetrain8603]

The same as it would take for Deng to be benched. Hopes and dreams.

[kyrv]

The same as it would take for Deng to be benched. Hopes and dreams.

Not sure what Deng has to do with Bogans. The Bulls have better SGs than Bogans, and Bogans was not signed to be the starter. The Bulls don't have a better SFs than Deng and he was signed to be the starter. And Deng doesn't start and play 15 minutes.

Do you think it's 50/50 which one gets replaced first, or that Bogans is the starter for the entire season?

[JordansBulls]

The same as it would take for Deng to be benched. Hopes and dreams.

Deng is averaging 18 and 6. That's pretty much Scottie in 1991 and 1998 for us. How can you say he needs to be benched?

[kyrv]

The same as it would take for Deng to be benched. Hopes and dreams.

Deng is averaging 18 and 6. That's pretty much Scottie in 1991 and 1998 for us. How can you say he needs to be benched?

Deng needs to play (much) better than he has recently but the Bulls don't have 9 better players than him, so ya not sure what that's about.

I'll take more Korver, but 40 minutes of Korver at SF, not sure I'm ready for that.

[nitetrain8603]

A 14.0 PER tells me Deng needs to be benched. I rather have Korver start to open up the lanes for Derrick and Brewer.

[kyrv]

A 14.0 PER tells me Deng needs to be benched. I rather have Korver start to open up the lanes for Derrick and Brewer.

You want to trade assets for someone with a 10.4 PER and start them.

Also Deng's PER this season, and for his career, are higher than both Korver and Brewer (and Mayo, and Bogans).

They can't bench everyone.

[PMONSTER]

The same as it would take for Deng to be benched. Hopes and dreams.

Deng is averaging 18 and 6. That's pretty much Scottie in 1991 and 1998 for us. How can you say he needs to be benched?

Let's not compare Scottie and Deng again........ Thank you

[nitetrain8603]

A 14.0 PER tells me Deng needs to be benched. I rather have Korver start to open up the lanes for Derrick and Brewer.

You want to trade assets for someone with a 10.4 PER and start them.

Also Deng's PER this season, and for his career, are higher than both Korver and Brewer (and Mayo, and Bogans).

They can't bench everyone.

Difference of situations. Or do you believe Mayo has been given every single piece and gameplan to succeed. If you do, I have some hawaiian islands I want to sell you, just forward me your social, account and routing numbers.

[nomorezorro]

Essentially, Bogans has already been benched.

Essentially he's been the starter. Technically you can say Bogans is the starter, but he's really not.

1) the only reason bogans only played 13 minutes yesterday was because of foul trouble
2) you might think the minutes played show that there's only a nominal difference in starting and not starting, but there's honestly no reason keith bogans should have gotten even thirteen minutes in that game.

he played for 11 minutes in the third quarter for no reason other than that he was in there to begin the quarter. that quarter included the two really bad wide open misses on a single possession. it also feautred a less noticeable but more emblematic moment for Keith Bogans, A Problem On Offense: he hesitated on a wide-open three when deng swung the ball to him. then, despite the fact that nobody even bothered to seriously close out on him, he eventually ended up just passing it to rose to re-initiate the offense.

play bogans spot minutes when korver is off (like last night) or when brewer can't find holes in the defense, fine. but he should be the last resort, because he is the worst option at shooting guard on the team; there's absolutely no reason for him to be the only player that's guaranteed minutes at the two

[kyrv]

A 14.0 PER tells me Deng needs to be benched. I rather have Korver start to open up the lanes for Derrick and Brewer.

You want to trade assets for someone with a 10.4 PER and start them.

Also Deng's PER this season, and for his career, are higher than both Korver and Brewer (and Mayo, and Bogans).

They can't bench everyone.

Difference of situations. Or do you believe Mayo has been given every single piece and gameplan to succeed. If you do, I have some hawaiian islands I want to sell you, just forward me your social, account and routing numbers.

He's doing worse than Deng, as are the other people you want in his place.

The system here would not be built around Mayo. He's never going to be given very single piece and gameplan to succeed. And because he hasn't, doesn't mean he's good. He's not good, today, as we speak.

[nitetrain8603]

Difference of situations. Or do you believe Mayo has been given every single piece and gameplan to succeed. If you do, I have some hawaiian islands I want to sell you, just forward me your social, account and routing numbers.

He's doing worse than Deng, as are the other people you want in his place.

The system here would not be built around Mayo. He's never going to be given very single piece and gameplan to succeed. And because he hasn't, doesn't mean he's good. He's not good, today, as we speak.

Deng was given every chance to succeed. He's not a legit #1 scorer at his peak. He's a #3. Deng was never taken out of the starting lineup unless due to injury. A lot of the time, he was counted on as the #2 scorer and cried in trade talks and when Rose was getting all the attention. The only difference between a Deng good game and a Deng bad game is his shots going in. Most of the time they don't. And he hasn't changed much of his game at all other than actually shooting the three. He forces a ton of stuff. If he makes it, we ignore it, if he misses it, we kill him for it. Either way, a bad shot is a bad shot. Especially on fast breaks when he has help and he refuses to pass the ball so he can get to the line and brick some FT's.

If Mayo was with the Bulls, I think he would be given a much larger role than he has with Memphis. He would probably be counted on as the #2 scorer until Boozer turns to suck or leaves. He would be counted on to playmake which he can do. Is he a starting PG? No, not at this level, but he can playmake. Most importantly, he can grow with this team and Derrick.

[Shill]

Bogans has been pretty awful, but I'll just say this: He's a career 35% three-point shooter who's shooting well below his average. His career percentages have been pretty consistent, so I figure it'll even out at some point, especially when he continues to get clean looks.

[barnett114]

Deng was given every chance to succeed. He's not a legit #1 scorer at his peak. He's a #3. Deng was never taken out of the starting lineup unless due to injury. A lot of the time, he was counted on as the #2 scorer and cried in trade talks and when Rose was getting all the attention. The only difference between a Deng good game and a Deng bad game is his shots going in. Most of the time they don't. And he hasn't changed much of his game at all other than actually shooting the three. He forces a ton of stuff. If he makes it, we ignore it, if he misses it, we kill him for it. Either way, a bad shot is a bad shot. Especially on fast breaks when he has help and he refuses to pass the ball so he can get to the line and brick some FT's.

If Mayo was with the Bulls, I think he would be given a much larger role than he has with Memphis. He would probably be counted on as the #2 scorer until Boozer turns to suck or leaves. He would be counted on to playmake which he can do. Is he a starting PG? No, not at this level, but he can playmake. Most importantly, he can grow with this team and Derrick.

Mayo is garbage

[Benedict Miller]

i'm still ok with him starting even though he's stinking it up, we need scoring off the bench more than anything.