Kobe still tough, with assists from the greats

[b-ball forever]

Looks like he knows that Gasol is better then him now and he's back in the Robin role like during the Shaq/Kobe era, even if he'll never admit it straight out

[The Diesel]

Looks like he knows that Gasol is better then him now and he's back in the Robin role like in the Shaq/Kobe era, even if he'll never admit it straight out

Everyone acts like Gasol is the reason the Lakers are an elite team again.

The Lakers were in first place during the 2007/2008 season (when Kobe won MVP) up until January before Bynum suffered his season ending injury and he was emerging as a star that year.

And they beat the Suns two out of three times before Gasol arrived and before the Shaq trade when Bynum was healthy and he had a 28 point game in one of their wins.

The Gasol trade helped tremendously, but they were becoming a great team again before his arrival.

However, Kerr admitted the Suns "panicked" when they made the Shaq trade after the Lakers got Gasol.

But yes, the Lakers struggled a lot the first three years after Shaq was traded, but that was because Kobe had no help.

[God Squad]

lol at some of you suns fans.. Seem so bitter with Kobe and LA. Let it go lol. There a solid team, and they have great leaders in Phil and Kobe. I really believe those two are the leaders of that squad. Other than Kobe, Pau is the most important player on that team.

[b-ball forever]

Even most Lakers fans will admit that they don't win those championships without Gasol. Even with a healthy Bynum that doesn't change since he doesn't have the overall impact Gasol has on the offense with the lowpost/midpost/passing/faceup combo threat that make him (Pau) the most dangerous weapon in their triangle offense, and Bynum is never healthy.

And Gasol is better then Kobe now, Kobe's too inconsistant while Gasol is consistantly playing very high level basketball. I called it at the start of the season.


http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal ... nba-288174

[BurningHeart]

There a solid team, and they have great leaders in Phil and Kobe. I really believe those two are the leaders of that squad. Other than Kobe, Pau is the most important player on that team.

Gee, that's some real in-depth, high quality, revolutionary analysis you got there.

[sunskerr]

I dont want to start beef or anything, but the laker's return to prominence actually coincided with the return of derek fisher.

[SoundGarden]

bunch of haters here...
and i thought miklo was a good mod,look at this shet.

Hater One wrote;
I hate Kobe. He's arrogant and overrated.

yeah no wonder you re thinking he s overrated.

Hater One wrote;
Kobe wins championships if and only if he has:
1) the best coach
2) the best frontcourt
in the NBA on his team.

he was the guy who averaged 34-8-7 on your team just a couple of months ago,definitely dude he only wins with best frontcourt-which includes one legged bynum- and how can i forget how big of scrub he was on dynasty teams only averaging 29.4 ppg 7.3 rpg 6.1 apg in 01 playoffs and 26.8 points, 51.4% shooting, 5.8 rebounds, 5.3 assists per game in 02 finals.
after all he only averaged 29,8 ppg 5,5 apg 5,6 rpg for last three title runs.other than him only mj had those kind of runs in history and going for first&only guy in playoff history to have more than 6000 points definitely overrated.

Hater One wrote;
Exchange Kobe for one of several other elite guards in this league: I believe the Lakers get better.

yeah put joe johnson,manu ginobili,brandon roy or any other two guard other than wade and lakers goes for threepeat for sure!
there is only two guy who can replace him on that roster in entire nba.

Hater Two wrote;
HOWEVER, for what the Lakers have been able to accomplish, it is CLEAR that Phil Jackson's calming leadership influence, the arrival of Pau Gasol, and the gained consistency of Lamar Odom have greatly contributed to the teams' success.

game 6 of the 2006 playoffs,lamar odom chokes cant grab one goddamn rebound and you guys are in the second round.
you know who lamar odom is or how inconsistent can he be when he plays second banana role?

Hater Two wrote;
Hell, Artest was basically the MVP of the playoffs, what with the tip in in Game 5 of the WCF, the out-of-nowhere offensive show in Game 6, and the ridiculous D on Paul Pierce in the Finals...

no this is Ridiculousness at its finest.one of the stupidest things i ever read on internet,thanks a lot i laughed

normally i dont post on another teams boards but i just cant accept the hate from suns&spurs fans.
both of these fanbases has biggest kobe haters,deep down they know how good he is but just cant accept it.
after all you guys are the ones who knows his potential,he deserves respect no matter if you like him or not.
but then again im trying to make a sense to guys who cheered for raja when he attacked kobe.
two of you the guys who we all need to listen when subject is kobe,both of you guys are so unbiased im admiring you

props for the suns fans who acknowlodges him as an all time great without hate,you guys have my respect.
good luck this season.

[BurningHeart]

You don't have any credibility or worth if you use the word "hater" as an adjective like that. Stupidest **** thing ever. Biggest pet peeve ever.I mean holy crap, do you people just **** use that word as if it's the word "the"? Is there some sort of guidebook you get this **** from? All you Laker fans are the exact **** same. It's like Mad Libs with you people. "Hater"-this, "hate on"-that. Use some freaking originality for once at least. Same damn format, same words, just absolute verbatim. It's like a form letter. AND you're going to attack our moderator? The nerve on you.

Nowhere in my posts did I "hate on" him by not acknowledging he's one of the greatest. Wanna know why? Because it doesn't need to be said. Everyone knows it. You people need to STOP with the inferiority complexes and the CONSTANT need to prove yourselves to people. You'd think for being one of the best franchises in sports history, the fans wouldn't be so damn insecure in every way, shape, and form.

I'm not even sure why you bring up 2006, because by bringing that up, you validate my point about Odom becoming more consistent with his play helping lead the Lakers to success. I guess I shouldn't expect a Laker fan to make a coherent argument or to understand others' points. But since we're back in 2006, that "lack of a rebound" that launched us into the second round actually didn't. We had to come back to Phoenix to play a Game 7. You know, that game the Suns absolutely demolished the Lakers and where Kobe QUIT on his team. If you wanna go back to 2006 to make a statement that validates my thoughts, at least get the whole damn story right.

And you can call my point about Artest "ridiculousness at its finest". You can use any other stupid deflective tactic you want. If you're not refuting the point, then its worthless. Keeping Paul Pierce in check during the Finals DIRECTLY LED to a championship.

Whatever, arguing with you people just drives my damn blood pressure up and quite honestly makes me want to slaughter animals then shoot myself. I can't **** stand it.

Bottom line is, we don't need your wishes of luck. Although, it would be nice to have the luck your franchise has had over the last 45 years.

This thread should be firebombed and sent to oblivion anyway. I do want to give you credit though, because your post is the best example of why I hate you people. It's most perfect example I've come across in a very, very long time. People always ask me why I hate the Lakers so much, I should throw your post into the essay I was driven to write after Game 2 against the Rockets in 2009 as the most recent example.

/rant off, sorry Mik and Tas.

[DRK]

Hater Two wrote;
Hell, Artest was basically the MVP of the playoffs, what with the tip in in Game 5 of the WCF, the out-of-nowhere offensive show in Game 6, and the ridiculous D on Paul Pierce in the Finals...

no this is Ridiculousness at its finest.one of the stupidest things i ever read on internet,thanks a lot i laughed

You know what is the stupidest thing I've ever read? A Laker fan not acknowledging a great performance from a player on your team because someone else on your team has a better reputation as a player.

Face facts. Artest won it for the Lakers. Not Kobe.

Without Artest, who would've been guarding Paul Pierce in the Finals? Luke Walton? Shannon Brown? Lamar Odom? Pierce would rip through all of them and still have room to dessert.

What a **** idiot you are.

[b-ball forever]

bunch of haters here...
and i thought miklo was a good mod,look at this shet.

Unlike a certain other board, Mods don't threaten you for not sucking on Kobe's schlong on this board, it must be too much of a shocker for him.

[DRK]

I bet you it was one of those douchebag Laker Mods that banned DDS. The couldnt stand that someone didnt idolise Kobe, so they banned him. Much like what Hitler did to the non-white people back in WW2. Nazi's called it "ethnic cleansing." Laker mods call it" brainwashing."

Laker Mods = **** Nazis