OT: Jeter is insane

[evilRyu]

Wow the 2 are just miles apart. 3/$45 vs. 6/$150. Are you kidding me? How on earth does such a gap get resolved? Really going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I think Jeter is playing off of his popularity in NY and figuring they'll have to give him what he wants or the fans will revolt.

Does anyone have an opinion on whether he can pull this off? He is certainly very popular in NY, but even the average fan has got to think he is asking for way to much. JMO.

it just might be a tactic on Jeter's part.. he probably knows that his offer is ludacris, and will be laughed at, which is what he wants to achieve. This will then give the yankees an artificial "ceiling", and may drive up the offer from the Yanks to come to a common ground..

Of course, all speculation..

But again, not sure why so many people are complaining, why not root for the Yankees to cave in, and have one of the teams in our division to be cash-strapped to a declining player for 6 more years?

[DonYon]

But again, not sure why so many people are complaining, why not root for the Yankees to cave in, and have one of the teams in our division to be cash-strapped to a declining player for 6 more years?

Obviously no Jays fan is complaining if the Yankees lose financial flexibility. I think most of us are just blown away by how much of a douche Jeter is.

[Leolovinliberal]

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying that they hope the Yankees over pay for him and 'take a hit", what hit are they taking, a salary cap hit?

[Mike Hunt]

I get a sense that the most important part of Jeter's "demands" is the length of the contract rather than the actual money. Now that he's thrown the 6 years out, he can probably squeeze out an extra year from the yankees while the yankees get to save face by not offering him any more per year than their initial offer (something like 4 years at 60 million would allow both parties to save face).

As a player, Jeter is probably worth something between 7-9 million right now. As a marketable commodity/player, Jeter, in any other market than New York, is probably worth anywhere from 9-11 million a year right now (he's still a big name even though the stats don't reflect it). In New York, due to his popularity and legacy, he's probably worth anywhere from 11-13 million.

[luvtheteam]

It sounds like most people agree that even 45/3 is overpaying, which means that the Yankees made a very generous offer. So the 150/6 is a slap in the face of that genereosity is how i see it. The Yanks were already too high and now they are pressured higher. I wouldn't be surprised if they do walk from this as some are suggesting and leave him to see what else he can fetch. Can he play 3rd??? (lol).

In any event don't forget the agent in all of this. Often it's not the player but the agents. I've seen a lot of agents completely mess up over the years at the cost of the players. (Hmmmmm.....like what Boras did to Paxton in 2009 MLB draft!)

[evilRyu]

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying that they hope the Yankees over pay for him and 'take a hit", what hit are they taking, a salary cap hit?

perhaps the "hit" is being tied significant long-term salary for a number of years.. Let's say they do give him a 6-year deal, and after 2 years, he just does'nt have it anymore.. Are the Yankees going to bench Jeter? No way, not with his legacy. They're gonna have to play him 4 more years, with that ridiculous salary.. that certainly will hinder the Yankees ability to fill-in that spot in the line-up

[Hoopstarr]

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying that they hope the Yankees over pay for him and 'take a hit", what hit are they taking, a salary cap hit?

perhaps the "hit" is being tied significant long-term salary for a number of years.. Let's say they do give him a 6-year deal, and after 2 years, he just does'nt have it anymore.. Are the Yankees going to bench Jeter? No way, not with his legacy. They're gonna have to play him 4 more years, with that ridiculous salary.. that certainly will hinder the Yankees ability to fill-in that spot in the line-up

That and they still owe 210 over 7 years to A-Rod and they don't want to be seen as being forced into another bad contract just because of a previous one.

[kelso]

I think most of you are missing the point of this situation.

Jeter is the captain of the Yankees, the heart and soul of the team and he has made the playoffs in 15 of his 16 seasons in pinstripes. He's the leading hitter in the franchise, leads the franchise in post-season hits and will have his 3000th hit next season.

Jeter has also sat there and watched the Yankees have no problem whatsoever overpay the likes of AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Javier Vasquez, Alex Rodriguez.....etc- with A-Rod being the only one to actually deliver (although no where hear 33 mil a years worth, IMHO).

Now I am not sitting here saying Jeter deserves 150 mil over 6 yrs....even 15 mil a season makes him the highest paid shortstop in baseball...but you can't all of a sudden have a payroll conscious when your team captain and leader is up for signing. Regardless how fiscally prudent it may be, its a brutal message to the fans and the rest of the team that vouches for this guy as being the consummate player, leader and team mate. where was this approach when Burnett was available? Even Texiera and Sabathia for frigs sake?

The Yankees screwed themselves by not offering arbitration. At least if they did that, he could have stayed for 1 more year, got his 3000th hit and then moved on in the off-season, or if he had a down year, they could have negotiated a fair contract. Instead, they decline arbitration and decide to make a "fair" contract offer nothing like what they have handed out over the past number of years.

If AA could get him for 45 over 3 I would do it in a heartbeat. The guy is a winner and makes everyone around him better. finished? 111 runs, 179 hits, and 70 RBI on a team full of bats and he gets on base and he's a clutch as they come. Forget it that last year he had over 200 hits, had a on-base over .400 and was next-best to Joe Mauer for the AL MVP.

I can't stand the Yankees, but he's as legit as they come in my opinion.

[Hoopstarr]

All business contracts are about leverage. He has no leverage at all because no other team would come close to giving him 15m/year, let alone what he's asking for. The Yankees are already offering him a Yankee hero bump with the 15m/year he thinks is too low. His other highly-paid teammates got what they got because that was their market price (driven up by interest from Boston) and the Yankees wanted them more. Also, they were in their primes and not 36 years old. The Yankees secretly want Jeter to either walk or take a 3 year offer on their terms.

[Mike Hunt]

I think most of you are missing the point of this situation.

Jeter is the captain of the Yankees, the heart and soul of the team and he has made the playoffs in 15 of his 16 seasons in pinstripes. He's the leading hitter in the franchise, leads the franchise in post-season hits and will have his 3000th hit next season.

Jeter has also sat there and watched the Yankees have no problem whatsoever overpay the likes of AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Javier Vasquez, Alex Rodriguez.....etc- with A-Rod being the only one to actually deliver (although no where hear 33 mil a years worth, IMHO).

Now I am not sitting here saying Jeter deserves 150 mil over 6 yrs....even 15 mil a season makes him the highest paid shortstop in baseball...but you can't all of a sudden have a payroll conscious when your team captain and leader is up for signing. Regardless how fiscally prudent it may be, its a brutal message to the fans and the rest of the team that vouches for this guy as being the consummate player, leader and team mate. where was this approach when Burnett was available? Even Texiera and Sabathia for frigs sake?

The Yankees screwed themselves by not offering arbitration. At least if they did that, he could have stayed for 1 more year, got his 3000th hit and then moved on in the off-season, or if he had a down year, they could have negotiated a fair contract. Instead, they decline arbitration and decide to make a "fair" contract offer nothing like what they have handed out over the past number of years.

If AA could get him for 45 over 3 I would do it in a heartbeat. The guy is a winner and makes everyone around him better. finished? 111 runs, 179 hits, and 70 RBI on a team full of bats and he gets on base and he's a clutch as they come. Forget it that last year he had over 200 hits, had a on-base over .400 and was next-best to Joe Mauer for the AL MVP.

I can't stand the Yankees, but he's as legit as they come in my opinion.

I think the thing is that the Yankees are not being frugal on his deal, as you seem to be suggesting. They're not being particularly financially responsible on this offer. They're just not being fiscally (Please Use More Appropriate Word). They've made an offer to Jeter that appears to be 10-15% more than any other team would consider offering the guy. I think that's showing the guy respect without hurting the team too badly. It's hard to fault them for that.

[kelso]

This guy is the face of the franchise, a model citizen and possibly the most popular pro athlete in the biggest city on North America. They should have handled this differently- I can't believe Cashman handled it this way. Telling Jeter to go find something better? Not offering arbitration? All of this could have been done- same numbers and everything- behind closed doors without disrespecting your captain and the face of your franchise.

I am not arguing on what Jeter is worth- especially with guys like Rollins & Hanram out there making less at the same position and younger, but better thought and action should have went into this process.

[Avenger]

This guy is the face of the franchise, a model citizen and possibly the most popular pro athlete in the biggest city on North America. They should have handled this differently- I can't believe Cashman handled it this way. Telling Jeter to go find something better? Not offering arbitration? All of this could have been done- same numbers and everything- behind closed doors without disrespecting your captain and the face of your franchise.

I am not arguing on what Jeter is worth- especially with guys like Rollins & Hanram out there making less at the same position and younger, but better thought and action should have went into this process.

not offering Arbitration was a favor to Derek Jeter, no one outside of the Yankees are willing to give him a decent contract, what do you think would happen if he came with a burden of a first round draft pick? I find the whole disrespect thing quite laughable, no other team is even willing to give him 5 million a year, the Yankees offer is 200% better than that and well above the going market rate for 37 year old "shortstops". The only people getting disrespected here are the Yankees and their fans, Jeter is trying to take advantage of the good will he has and is trying to emotionally blackmail them into giving him an outrageous contract.

[jim todd]

This guy is the face of the franchise, a model citizen and possibly the most popular pro athlete in the biggest city on North America. They should have handled this differently- I can't believe Cashman handled it this way. Telling Jeter to go find something better? Not offering arbitration? All of this could have been done- same numbers and everything- behind closed doors without disrespecting your captain and the face of your franchise.

I am not arguing on what Jeter is worth- especially with guys like Rollins & Hanram out there making less at the same position and younger, but better thought and action should have went into this process.

not offering Arbitration was a favor to Derek Jeter, no one outside of the Yankees are willing to give him a decent contract, what do you think would happen if he came with a burden of a first round draft pick? I find the whole disrespect thing quite laughable, no other team is even willing to give him 5 million a year, the Yankees offer is 200% better than that and well above the going market rate for 37 year old "shortstops". The only people getting disrespected here are the Yankees and their fans, Jeter is trying to take advantage of the good will he has and is trying to emotionally blackmail them into giving him an outrageous contract.

exactly, there's no disrespect here; Jeter is probably the most beloved yankee of the past 15 years and it helps his free agency to not have a draft pick attached as weight. it's not like he has been playing for chump change either; he was paid $20+ million from ages 32-36 of his career. if anything he's just trying to cash in on his celebrity and public pressure one last time for a massive deal. the yanks will likely have to pay a bit more than they would like to retain him, but their management would be straight fools to cave in and offer Jeter another similar contract at age 37.

[Michael Bradley]

This is all worthless. I think it is fairly obvious that the Yankees and Jeter will agree to a contract at some point. He is not going to play for another team. They will eventually find a middle point in contract talks and it will progress from there, although my hope is the Yanks cave and give Jeter the big contract he wants. We talk about Wells as an albatross. If Jeter's late-30's are anything like his 2010 performance, then his contract will be pretty ugly. Granted, not much of a noose for a team with an unlimited budget, but still bad.

[evilRyu]

This is all worthless. I think it is fairly obvious that the Yankees and Jeter will agree to a contract at some point. He is not going to play for another team. They will eventually find a middle point in contract talks and it will progress from there, although my hope is the Yanks cave and give Jeter the big contract he wants. We talk about Wells as an albatross. If Jeter's late-30's are anything like his 2010 performance, then his contract will be pretty ugly. Granted, not much of a noose for a team with an unlimited budget, but still bad.

Yup, and that might be why Jeter is calling for the $150 contract, so that the "middle" increases.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

This is all negotiating tactics. Sure it makes Jeter look stupid, but the Yankees look like idiots at the end of the day if they don't sign Jeter, and Jeter's agents know it. On the flip side, Yanks know that if Jeter walks to another team, he's the Lebron James of baseball. It's a chess match.

[kelso]

12 months ago the Yankees refused a request from the Jeter camp to discuss an extention. Yes this is a chess match, but the Yankees stand to lose more than the face of their franchise here.

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