Are We Better Without Kirk?

[dlts20]

Look, I like Kirk and he has actually played pretty well overall so this isnt a knock on him but I made a thread about this before the season. I said that I love the Wall pick and I dont think him & Gil will have a problem. I said if they both play 36min then they will play 24min together and then they play the other 12 when the other is on the bench. Both guys will easily have the ball enough to keep them happy. I said Gil could still play alot of PG that way and he will be fine. I said then the 3rd guy could be NY at the 2 when Gil or Wall is on the bench. Thats 24min for him and he could even get some extra run at the 3 if needed. Then right before this season I heard how good NY looked in camp and I said that I hope Flip plays the best guys and its no politics. I said I know EG has always wanted Kirk and that Flip loves him but if NY plays better then he should be the 3rd guard off the bench.

So far not only is NY not the 3rd guard but Kirk has started every single game and got major minutes. Again, Im not going to rip him because he's playing pretty well overall but the fact is that even when Gil cant shoot, our team is in the plus when he's on the floor in most cases but with Kirk we are in the minus alot of times. Flip keeps playing that dumb 3 guard lineup lately and we suck but when we put Kirk on the bench for NY then we immediatly play better. Tonight we were losing again until going to the bench for NY. In the Miami game I hope Wall starts if healthy and he starts along side Gil with Kirk on the bench. I also know that when we get fully healthy there will be a major short in minutes and I dont see Flip cutting Kirk's any how. I think if Howard starts then NY should be the next guy off the bench. Honestly, I might have Howard, Gee, NY, and a healthy Thorton rated ahead of Kirk so if anyone gets cut out the rotation then it should be him.

Again, Im not dissing him. He's playing well and will be better off the bench but I cant play him over NY. The other thing I loved about the Wall-Gil backcourt is that we are small then but when we go to the bench, we are normal. Gil or Wall at the 1 with NY at the 2. With Kirk in the mix, we are always small. We are always going to have atleast 2 small guys on the floor and sometimes 3 when it could just be 2 or 1 in alot of cases. You wouldnt have to let Gil guard the 2 all game. He could guard the 1 with NY guarding the 2. It would just be better for us overall

[closg00]

Look, I like Kirk and he has actually played pretty well overall so this isnt a knock on him but I made a thread about this before the season. I said that I love the Wall pick and I dont think him & Gil will have a problem. I said if they both play 36min then they will play 24min together and then they play the other 12 when the other is on the bench. Both guys will easily have the ball enough to keep them happy. I said Gil could still play alot of PG that way and he will be fine. I said then the 3rd guy could be NY at the 2 when Gil or Wall is on the bench. Thats 24min for him and he could even get some extra run at the 3 if needed. Then right before this season I heard how good NY looked in camp and I said that I hope Flip plays the best guys and its no politics. I said I know EG has always wanted Kirk and that Flip loves him but if NY plays better then he should be the 3rd guard off the bench.

So far not only is NY not the 3rd guard but Kirk has started every single game and got major minutes. Again, Im not going to rip him because he's playing pretty well overall but the fact is that even when Gil cant shoot, our team is in the plus when he's on the floor in most cases but with Kirk we are in the minus alot of times. Flip keeps playing that dumb 3 guard lineup lately and we suck but when we put Kirk on the bench for NY then we immediatly play better. Tonight we were losing again until going to the bench for NY. In the Miami game I hope Wall starts if healthy and he starts along side Gil with Kirk on the bench. I also know that when we get fully healthy there will be a major short in minutes and I dont see Flip cutting Kirk's any how. I think if Howard starts then NY should be the next guy off the bench. Honestly, I might have Howard, Gee, NY, and a healthy Thorton rated ahead of Kirk so if anyone gets cut out the rotation then it should be him.

Again, Im not dissing him. He's playing well and will be better off the bench but I cant play him over NY. The other thing I loved about the Wall-Gil backcourt is that we are small then but when we go to the bench, we are normal. Gil or Wall at the 1 with NY at the 2. With Kirk in the mix, we are always small. We are always going to have atleast 2 small guys on the floor and sometimes 3 when it could just be 2 or 1 in alot of cases. You wouldnt have to let Gil guard the 2 all game. He could guard the 1 with NY guarding the 2. It would just be better for us overall

I have noticed this as-well, when Kirk is in the mix the team has to slow-down to his game. The sooner his minutes are reduced the better overall for the team.

[Astonished]

Kurt isn't a good fit for the team.

[nuposse04]

kirk isn't a good fit for the starting unit, mostly because thats where our best athletes are, and they need to get out and run. He is a decent guy for our bench. Problem is if flip continues this three guard lineup when wall returns, we're ****.

[FAH1223]

every year we have players that handicap us...

this year its Kirk and Armstrong

wish Kirk would come off the bench...

Let us pray Gilbert goes crazy and Wall comes back better... forcing Flip to have Kirk come off the bench so we can start games off with a BALANCED line up...

[507Mack]

Let's remind ourselves why we got Kirk Hinrich here in the first place. In spite of already having Gilbert Arenas here, Gil's future on this team and his mindset were unclear, so it was impotant to have a mentor in place that was "solid" and "professional" for John Wall. He's not here for his scoring, he's not here for his playmaking ability, and he's definitely not here to put fans in the seats. We've all talked about how he dribbles out the clock and how he'll dribble under the basket, come out on the other side, obviously looking to pass. His game is predictable and is no threat offensively when it comes to breaking down the D and making a play- which are traits that are not going to get it done as a starting PG in the NBA, especially now that there are so many speedy, crafty PGs. A night against Hinrich is a relief for PGs in the NBA. Sure, he's "scrappy" and might have veteran savvy, but is all that really worth his salary? We are basically overpaying for a solid backup PG, no better than Antonio Daniels (arguably worse).

Now that all that BS about Gil being a cancer and bad influence are out the door, and Gil has shown his ability to take over a game and make things happen (like tonight against Orlando), I think it is obvious that Hinrich should sit for Gil. We need to get Wall and Arenas to develop some chemistry because THEY ARE OUR FUTURE. Hinrich IS NOT IN OUR FUTURE.

[The Fax]

It's clear that Kirk is not meant to play 36 minutes a game. I'm going to give Saunders a free pass until Josh Howard is healthy. If he keeps going with this 3 guard lineup beyond that point, that's when I'm going to get ticked off. Although I would rather start Gee or Booker (for defense) at the 3 even now.

[MJG]

I'm with the general consensus, that Hinrich is okay, but he should be coming off the bench and playing half as many minutes as he is right now. Until N1 cools off, he should be the fourth guard in our rotation, I think.

[jc23]

Chicago would be happy to take him back

sadly that would be against the rules

[GhostsOfGil]

I'm with the general consensus, that Hinrich is okay, but he should be coming off the bench and playing half as many minutes as he is right now. Until N1 cools off, he should be the fourth guard in our rotation, I think.

i definitely think kirk should come off the bench as well but i dont think nick should start. hes so superstitious and we all know how fast this guy can find a cold streak. his role as a 6th man is working so keep it how it is. thankfully when howard comes back, it put all this 3 guard talk to rest.

[Ruzious]

Until Wall and Arenas are healthy together at the same time, what's the point of asking the question? He doesn't hurt the team, because there aren't better options. When there are better options, presumably his playing time will decrease.

[Wizards2Lottery]

I don't think we're better without Kirk but we are better when he is not paired up with both Arenas and Young or Arenas and Wall.

[nuposse04]

I don't think we're better without Kirk but we are better when he is not paired up with both Arenas and Young or Arenas and Wall.

i still like young off the bench, pair him up with kirk so our second unit has some decent firepower.

[GhostsOfGil]

I don't think we're better without Kirk but we are better when he is not paired up with both Arenas and Young or Arenas and Wall.

i still like young off the bench, pair him up with kirk so our second unit has some decent firepower.

ya when howard comes back, a bench of kirk, ny, thornton/gee/martin, yi/armstrong isnt so bad.

[KillbertArenas]

Ive said it before..

Kirk is the worst starting Wizard/Bullet ever..

He's horrible all around because of how he changes the dynamic of every player when on the court..He makes every one worse..

Please trade him EG!!!

[KillbertArenas]

Ive said it before..

Kirk is the worst starting Wizard/Bullet ever..

He's horrible all around because of how he changes the dynamic of every player when on the court..He makes every one worse..

Please trade him EG!!!

[verbal8]

Ive said it before..

Kirk is the worst starting Wizard/Bullet ever..

You are talking about a team that started DeShawn Stevenson, Jared Jeffries, Kwame Brown and Etan Thomas at various points. I think Hinrich is in no danger of being as bad any of these players.

[clancy]

Ive said it before..

Kind of a funny opening to a double post.

[DallasShalDune]

Chris Whitney? Jahidi White? Courtney Alexander?

[pineappleheadindc]

Anthony Goldwire?

Laron Profit?