BCS. WTF?

[El Duderino]

You can argue that there shouldn't be any AQ bids, but I see absolutely no way they wouldn't include them. They include them in every single sport and there is no way the BCS conferences are giving up that money and share of the pie if they go to a playoff system, that is why it needs to be a 12 or 16 team playoff to accommodate the current AQ conferences and make it better for the fans and determining the actual best team.

I'm going by how i think things should be, not what would happen because you're correct that the NCAA would sell out and give every major conference an automatic bid to any playoff format of 8 teams or higher.

When you bring up NCAA basketball though, it's not a good analogy because there are 64 teams included, the winner in of any major conference will always be deserving of a bid into the tournament, and even the conference winner in many of the smaller conferences is a solid team.

In college football though, the third place team in the Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 this year is not only better than the winner of the Big Least, they are significantly better.

We can quibble over whether a playoff should be 8, 12, or 16 games, but we can all agree that any of those three would be vastly superior to the current setup in place where computers decide which two teams play for the national championship.

In all other sports where thing are settled on the field, having a team that's peaking before the postseason begins is what all coaches strive for. Yet here sits Wisconsin who is absolutely peaking as a team, but because of an early season loss, they can't get the chance to prove on the field that right now, they are the best college football team in the country.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

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Every one of those games would be must watch TV, except for the UCONN one.

[RayRayJones]

Every one of those games would be must watch TV, except for the UCONN one.

+1. That's one of the few things I haven't seen mentioned in any arguments. While it doesn't affect the general population, what does the BCS have against a playoffs? They're going to put more football on TV, generate more revenue, and give a whole helluva lot better games than the current system.

I could careless what playoff system gets implemented, anything is better than the BCS computer rankings (which half of them we have no idea how they even get calculated) and their screwy system. #12 and #11 teams don't have one loss in one of the toughest conferences and beat a #1 team during the year. Unreal.

[chuckleslove]

You can argue that there shouldn't be any AQ bids, but I see absolutely no way they wouldn't include them. They include them in every single sport and there is no way the BCS conferences are giving up that money and share of the pie if they go to a playoff system, that is why it needs to be a 12 or 16 team playoff to accommodate the current AQ conferences and make it better for the fans and determining the actual best team.

I'm going by how i think things should be, not what would happen because you're correct that the NCAA would sell out and give every major conference an automatic bid to any playoff format of 8 teams or higher.

When you bring up NCAA basketball though, it's not a good analogy because there are 64 teams included, the winner in of any major conference will always be deserving of a bid into the tournament, and even the conference winner in many of the smaller conferences is a solid team.

In college football though, the third place team in the Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 this year is not only better than the winner of the Big Least, they are significantly better.

We can quibble over whether a playoff should be 8, 12, or 16 games, but we can all agree that any of those three would be vastly superior to the current setup in place where computers decide which two teams play for the national championship.

In all other sports where thing are settled on the field, having a team that's peaking before the postseason begins is what all coaches strive for. Yet here sits Wisconsin who is absolutely peaking as a team, but because of an early season loss, they can't get the chance to prove on the field that right now, they are the best college football team in the country.

I never brought up basketball and yes they are drastically different since with 64(68) teams every little crap conference gets at least one bid.

I agree any playoff format 8 or higher would be better than the current system. I'm personally not in favor of the 4 team playoff or the +1 as people have called it because that is just half-assing it and doing a playoff system just to do a playoff system and not solving any issues. If they had a +1 this year it would be Oregon vs Auburn and TCU vs Stanford right now and that still isn't going to show us anything of value.

The only reason I'm not in favor of an 8 team system is because I know they can't(won't) get rid of the automatic bids for the BCS conferences so it would again be half-assing a playoff system. If we are going to overhaul the system they will no doubt sign 4+ year contracts like they do with the BCS so they might as well get it right from the start, or at least mostly right.

[midranger]

I posted this in the Bowl Lead-up thread as well, but it works just as well here. Any answer appreciated.

So one thing has been bothering me since the BCS was announced. We have 3 non-conference opponents (ASU @ Arizona, SJSU @ Idaho, and UNLV @ Hawaii) with a game remaining and OSU has one opponent (Illinois @ Fresno State) with a game remaining.

Looking at those games, our opponents will likely go 0-3 and Illinois will likely win.

Now, can someone with more knowledge of the BCS than me tell me if there is ANY chance of a 4 game swing in SOS vaulting OSU ahead of us. Particularly with other potential craziness in the SEC and Big-12 championship games.

It would be absolutely horrible to be so excited to have those hopes dashed.

One thing is for sure, we need to continue politicking the voters.

[Flames24Rulz]

I-AA does a 16 team playoff with an 11 game regular season.

The school thing is a BS excuse, unless you're saying the smaller and slower players in FCS are just plain smarter than the I-A athletes.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

TCU would really get screwed in that mock seeding. They are the #3 team in the country but they end up with a #7 seed because their conference doesn't have an AQ? AQs are a joke. Just take the top 8/12/16 teams, regardless of conference.

[OBF-MKE]

Coley Matrix (12th in computer ranking):

http://www.colleyrankings.com/matrate.pdf

The BCS has demanded in recent years to take margin of victory out of the computer rankings.

They might as well just as go with ELO ratings at this point. Taking margin of victory out--and then trying to ascertain who is actually best between a pool of teams that don't all play each other--is so obnoxiously stupid it makes me want to murder all the rabbits from Watership Down.

[chuckleslove]

TCU would really get screwed in that mock seeding. They are the #3 team in the country but they end up with a #7 seed because their conference doesn't have an AQ? AQs are a joke. Just take the top 8/12/16 teams, regardless of conference.

Yes they get screwed a little but with having a first round bye they are still playing one of the lowest seeded teams in the playoff tournament because they are the highest "at large" seed in the playoff bracket I made.

Will be a moot point for TCU with them joining the Big East by the time any potential playoff system is in place.

I was just putting int a playoff system that is at least semi realistic. The major conferences are NOT ever going to give up their automatic bids, with them it would also make sense that they would seek or demand to have the top seeds, maybe they wouldn't but I highly doubt that.

I just think that a 12 team playoff with 6 AQ bids as the highest seeds with 4 byes is somewhat in the realm of possible if they actually sat down and hammered out a playoff system. I think a 8 or 16 team tournament are also possible but I'm not in favor of the 8 team variety because that would only leave room for 2 at large schools which will lead to lots of controversy still on the table. I think the 12 or 16 team playoff is enough to eliminate any controversy over 0 or 1 loss teams not having a shot while also keeping the games relevant and meaningful all season long.

[OBF-MKE]

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Every one of those games would be must watch TV, except for the UCONN one.

Yes. 12 team is exactly the way to go. Lose only one extra bowl game, easy enough to schedule... and , like you said, completely watchable.

[chuckleslove]

Yes. 12 team is exactly the way to go. Lose only one extra bowl game, easy enough to schedule... and , like you said, completely watchable.

You don't lose a bowl game because right now the national championship isn't an actual bowl, it rotates between the sites of the 4 current BCS bowl sites. Really they could have those 4 second round games in my bracket played as the current BCS bowls and then rotate the semi finals and final to the sites.

Could be something like in that bracket:

Auburn vs whoever in the Sugar bowl

Oregon vs whoever in the Rose Bowl

Wisconsin vs whoever in the Orange Bowl

Oklahoma vs whoever in the Fiesta bowl

Then in the second round for the semi finals rotate which 2 sites you play them on say the Sugar and Rose Bowl.

Then the championship and 3rd place games are played at the Orange and Fiesta. This would make it so every BCS bowl site got 2 games per year. Have the initial first 4 BCS bowls played on or around January 1st and then play the semi finals the next Saturday and then the 3rd place game could be played the following Saturday with the National championship could be played on the following Monday as it currently is.

That would leave the BCS bowls as they currently are, it would add semi final games on Saturday the 8th and put the National championship back one week to Monday the 17th from Monday the 10th.

I would suggest that the first round of the playoffs be played 2 weeks after the current regular season ends, that would be December 18th this year, with the higher seeded team getting a home game. That would give teams a little extra time to prepare for the playoffs and travel accommodations and such.