Game Thread: Wizards vs. Heat 11/29/10

[pancakes3]

i blasted kirk twice in my "game notes" post earlier. one for being a poor pnr guard, and the other for being ineffective in setting up sets.

however, i do agree with dandridge, his play, while not ideal, wasn't why we lost last night. like i said earlier, the game was lost in McGee picking up the fouls.

[dandridge 10]

i blasted kirk twice in my "game notes" post earlier. one for being a poor pnr guard, and the other for being ineffective in setting up sets.

however, i do agree with dandridge, his play, while not ideal, wasn't why we lost last night. like i said earlier, the game was lost in McGee picking up the fouls.

Pancakes, while I agreed with most of your previous post, I think we would have lost the game even if McGee wasn't in foul trouble. We just didn't shoot or value the ball well enough, and our defense was a sieve, even when McGee was in the game.

[Kanyewest]

Funny that people say that Hinrich isn't a point guard because he isn't a shooting guard since he isn't effective at creating his own shot. He himself needs to play better off the ball- give up the ball after 4-5 dribbles. At best, he's a combo guard off the bench or he could play alongside a top guard 2-3 guard in the league to hide his deficiencies.

Agreed that Hinrich isn't the reason that the Wizards lost. More like, he didn't contribute to the team winning like Hilton Armstong. Except Hinrich is paid starter's money while Armstrong is paid the minimum.

Hinrich can help a good team win since he can play defense. Although it will take a while for Hinrich to grow into that role; John Wall needs to develop first.

[ErikChowbay023]

Watching Hinrich play really reminds me of how much it hurts to see Shaun Livingston in Charlotte. There would have had to been sacrifices right, to keep him?

Reading this thread and then watching and re-watching the games really highlights the mistakes that Hinrich makes..I never really noticed, but its amazing how other perspectives open your eyes to new things.. He pounds the ball incessantly. There will be guys open and he just pounds away, usually resulting in him trying to do something he isn`t capable of doing.... Hence the fade-away that crushed our hopes of ever getting back into the game last night.

There was a point where we made a nice run last night, cut the lead to about nine. Gil and Nick were in a great rhythm, keeping us in the game, they both scored the last 8 points or so.. We get a stop, Hinrich chooses to comes down court and shoot a contested fade-away jumper and completely kills our momentum and we never came that close again...I told my father right away, thats the stuff Im talking about...My father has been complaining about how much I have been criticizing Hinirch during the games recently. Telling me that I just don`t like him. Thats not the case, I try my best to not criticize him during the games, but damn..KNOW YOUR ROLE!!!! Flip needs to wake up. Hudson can take bad shots and pound the ball for much cheaper.

I agree that Hinrich has struggled lately and was pretty bad last night. However, it appears as though some people are using him as a scapegoat for the loss last night. Hinrich's contested fade-away jumper killed some momentum, but so did Blatche's two horrible turnovers when he passed the ball right to the Heat and so did several of Gil's quick shots that clanged the rim. Overall, I thought the team sucked on D, made a lot of stupid turnovers, lost their focus and composure and took turns playing one on one instead of moving the ball...that's why we lost last night, not Hinrich's poor play.

We should not be using any one player as a scape goat. As a team, they all equally contribute to a loss, or to a win. With that being said, Hinrich is not at total fault for last nights loss or previous losses, I feel he does some good things, especially on the defensive end. But with him being a guard, and our system being guard oriented his deficiencies are highlighted.

Yea, I was upset with him last night, and also about how he pounds the ball. But I am more upset with the fact that our team doesn't execute basic fundamentals consistently during the course of the game. Like, our poor defensive rotations. Also the fact that none of our bigs want to put a body on anyone. Our offense takes much to long to get into motion.These issues are much more the contributing factor of our losses.

By the way, why our none of our offensive designed to get players moving towards the basket...? Or designed to get Blatche the ball closer to the basket?

[Dat2U]

Hinrich isn't a scapegoat. In fact, if it wasn't for his contract and the fact that the coach seriously overrates his own abilities, I think Hinrich would be quite alright as a rotation player off the bench. The fact he's started every game, even if it meant starting him at SF puts a bad taste in a lot of folks mouths. He's simply an adequate player. But for some reason, the Wizards & Flip treat the guy as if he's a key cornerstone in the rebuilding effort. As if we can't play or have any success without him. Flip treats him like he's infallible and its obvious to everyone watching that's not the case.

[Hoopalotta]

Hinrich isn't a scapegoat. In fact, if it wasn't for his contract and the fact that the coach seriously overrates his own abilities, I think Hinrich would be quite alright as a rotation player off the bench. The fact he's started every game, even if it meant starting him at SF puts a bad taste in a lot of folks mouths. He's simply an adequate player. But for some reason, the Wizards & Flip treat the guy as if he's a key cornerstone in the rebuilding effort. As if we can't play or have any success without him. Flip treats him like he's infallible and its obvious to everyone watching that's not the case.

Yeah, that's pretty well what it comes down to.

If we looked around the league at backup point guards and said:

"You know, if we had that guy starting and playing 35 minutes a night for us instead of Kirk, we'd __________________"

The answer is "still look like Shyte" in almost every instance. Rotation guards just don't look good when playing starters minutes for extended stretches.

[JonathanJoseph]

Hinrich isn't a scapegoat. In fact, if it wasn't for his contract and the fact that the coach seriously overrates his own abilities, I think Hinrich would be quite alright as a rotation player off the bench. The fact he's started every game, even if it meant starting him at SF puts a bad taste in a lot of folks mouths. He's simply an adequate player. But for some reason, the Wizards & Flip treat the guy as if he's a key cornerstone in the rebuilding effort. As if we can't play or have any success without him. Flip treats him like he's infallible and its obvious to everyone watching that's not the case.

The Hinrich hate is way overboard. For starters, his contract has absolutely nothing to do with how he is playing or how his play should be judged. Zero. The Wizards are banged up, but not over the salary cap.

It's pretty easy to see why coaches love Hinrich. He's never going to be an all-star, but he was a starter on Team USA for a reason. Hinrich is a good, not great, player. Flip doesn't treat him like he's infallible, he treats him like one of the very few savvy veterans on the team who can play defense and set an example.

[Kanyewest]

The Hinrich hate is way overboard. For starters, his contract has absolutely nothing to do with how he is playing or how his play should be judged. Zero. The Wizards are banged up, but not over the salary cap.

It's pretty easy to see why coaches love Hinrich. He's never going to be an all-star, but he was a starter on Team USA for a reason. Hinrich is a good, not great, player. Flip doesn't treat him like he's infallible, he treats him like one of the very few savvy veterans on the team who can play defense and set an example.

I remember him getting abused on pick and roll defense by Greece.