Turk for Leandro revisited

[TDGlenmanor]

I know you guys had pretty nice wing rotations for the upcoming season, and didn't really have room for LB anymore, but if you guys had a chance to keep him and not trade for Hedon't, would you and why?

[Kerrsed]

I know you guys had pretty nice wing rotations for the upcoming season, and didn't really have room for LB anymore, but if you guys had a chance to keep him and not trade for Hedon't, would you and why?

Yes.

Ball.

[BurningHeart]

Putting my personal feelings about Barbosa aside, how he's like Phoenix's son (no pun intended) and all that....

I love Turk's versatility and cold-blooded nature. Bottom line.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I know you guys had pretty nice wing rotations for the upcoming season, and didn't really have room for LB anymore, but if you guys had a chance to keep him and not trade for Hedon't, would you and why?

I wouldn't. But I'm an outlier.

Hedo will never be worth his contract, but when the Suns can get him back to his "home" position, he'll be earning 60-70% of it.

I certainly wouldn't trade back Hedo for Barbosa, to put it another way.

[TheMan44]

Turk for Barbs revisited?

It don't matter.

Right about now I'm very much missing Amare Stoudemire and Kurt Warner.

Valley sports is depressing and those 2 guys made it so much better last year...

[Calvin Klein]

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[whambamslam]

I loved Leandro as much as anyone, but even he knew it was his time to go.

[JohnVancouver]

We got Turk for a guy we loved, but didn't need anymore, and he was glad to leave too. Turk is actually more moveable, too, I believe. he does more than Barbs does -
I just watched a Raps game and he's doing the same head-down thing he always did. Love the guy but he never learned anything after a certain point.

So yeah, I dislike how the team is configured but I have no problem with the trade

[lilfishi22]

I knew LB had to go but seeing how Amare was leaving and the way the team was constructed at the time (still relatively capped, only TPE to use, no real shot at any big names) I didn't think Hedo was the guy we needed. I like Hedo as a player, but like JVC, I don't like how this team has been put together and adding JVC didn't seem like the right move.

[Blackification]

Barbosa wouldn't have been much more of a help than hedo.. at least with hedo he has the height of a pf what were we going to do with barbosa? Especially with all the injuries he kept having and is still having. He is on my fantasy team and I see the numbers he is putting up and they are not pretty.

[DRK]

Yes. Barbosa was alway one of my favourite players. He as such a nice guy, and everyone on the Suns, the players, coaching staff, and all the fans loved him. If there ever was a least hated player in the NBA, it would be Leandro Barbosa.

The trade on the other hand, was dumb. When Amare left, our first priority should have been to try and stay away from long expensive contracts. But, instead we traded LB for the worst contract in the NBA.

LB to Utah for their 6.5m TPE would've worked out better for both teams.

[nevetsov]

^ or perhaps to NY for Eddy Curry's expiring. He may suck but you can never have too much size.

[RunDogGun]

^ or perhaps to NY for Eddy Curry's expiring. He may suck but you can never have too much size.

But size that can't get on the floor, doesn't help anyone.

As for the topic, it is still too early to judge. We are without our best defending big, who wasn't fully healed from the start of this year. I think if Lopez was on the same track he was on last year, Hedo might have had an easier time adjusting to the defense.

Plus with getting Hedo, it opened the door for us getting JChill, who is just a dirt worker. Can you guys imagine a dirt working group of JChill, Dudley, and Lou? We might not have scored a ton of points with that group, but neither would the other team.

[DRK]

A dirt worker that is being paid 6.5 million a year for the next 5 damn years. I like the guy, but he is being paid Charlie Villanueva money.

To be brutally honest, I would rather have Eddy Curry not seeing the floor for our team, than Hedo messing up our rotations for the next 4.

[RunDogGun]

A dirt worker that is being paid 6.5 million a year for the next 5 damn years. I like the guy, but he is being paid Charlie Villanueva money.

To be brutally honest, I would rather have Eddy Curry not seeing the floor for our team, than Hedo messing up our rotations for the next 4.

The dude is playing with a broken index finger on his shooting hand. I think he deserves a bit more respect than "5 damn years". Lets see how he plays after the finger heals.

Eddy Curry can't get on the floor, so you wouldn't be seeing him on the floor in a Suns uniform, even if he was on the team, so I don't see your point.

[DRK]

Look. Childress is a good player. No, make that a great player. But he is not worth 6.5 million a year, almost double Dudley's salary. Childress is lucky to see 20 minutes a game, all thanks to the logjam we have at the SF position. Granted, that is not his fault, but 6.5 million dollars a year is starter money, too much for a bench player seeing 20 minutes a game.

That is my point. Eddy Curry has an expiring contract, which provides us flexibility and cap room come off season. Hedo Turkoglu is being paid 10 million dollars a year to stand around and shoot 3's. To be brutal and frank, Hedo is ****. We have no need for him here.

Like I said before. I don't want Eddy Curry on the floor. His expiring is all that matters. On the other hand, Hedo's contract will not expire for another 4 more years. Hedo's contract is equivalent to 20% of the salary cap. For what? To do nothing but stand on the perimeter and take threes? And miss 60% fo them? For a guy that we are probably better off without? (EC, Lawal, Childress get more playing time. Chill to prove his big salary)

Are you kidding me?

[BurningHeart]

Childress' and Turk's value to this team will be seen before this year is done. Mark my words.

[RunDogGun]

Look. Childress is a good player. No, make that a great player. But he is not worth 6.5 million a year, almost double Dudley's salary. Childress is lucky to see 20 minutes a game, all thanks to the logjam we have at the SF position. Granted, that is not his fault, but 6.5 million dollars a year is starter money, too much for a bench player seeing 20 minutes a game.

That is my point. Eddy Curry has an expiring contract, which provides us flexibility and cap room come off season. Hedo Turkoglu is being paid 10 million dollars a year to stand around and shoot 3's. To be brutal and frank, Hedo is ****. We have no need for him here.

Like I said before. I don't Eddy Curry on the floor. His expiring is all that matters. On the other hand, Hedo's contract will not expire for another 4 more years. Hedo's contract is equivalent to 20% of the salary cap. For what? To do nothing but stand on the perimeter and take threes? For a guy that we are probably better off without (EC, Lawal, CHildres get more playing time)

Are you kidding me?

Well we are asking Hedo to play a position he doesn't play. He is a point forward trying to play a power forward. Not really his fault. I have no idea how you can evaluate JChill's worth at this point. So far he is playing great with a broken finger on his dominate hand (that hand probably makes contact with the ball 90% of the time.)

$6.5 million from the bench is fairly common. Heck we had both Diaw and LB coming off the bench, and together they made $15 million.

I have been saying it for years, this team needs more dirt workers. Letting go of Lou hurt us. Gaining JChill and extending Dudley will help us. We do need a big that is a dirt worker, but hopefully Lawal can be that guy.

Curry sucks, and on this team, he would royally suck. He doesn't give us flexibility. If he did, he would be giving the Knicks some flexibilty, but NO ONE wants him, or his expiring. If I wanted a decent expiring, I would have kept LB.

Hedo isn't doing well, but at times, he can be amazing, the clutch player we need. Now is he worth his contract? Not right now, but if we could get him into his natural position, he plays quite well.

[lilfishi22]

Look. Childress is a good player. No, make that a great player. But he is not worth 6.5 million a year, almost double Dudley's salary. Childress is lucky to see 20 minutes a game, all thanks to the logjam we have at the SF position. Granted, that is not his fault, but 6.5 million dollars a year is starter money, too much for a bench player seeing 20 minutes a game.

That is my point. Eddy Curry has an expiring contract, which provides us flexibility and cap room come off season. Hedo Turkoglu is being paid 10 million dollars a year to stand around and shoot 3's. To be brutal and frank, Hedo is ****. We have no need for him here.

Like I said before. I don't want Eddy Curry on the floor. His expiring is all that matters. On the other hand, Hedo's contract will not expire for another 4 more years. Hedo's contract is equivalent to 20% of the salary cap. For what? To do nothing but stand on the perimeter and take threes? And miss 60% fo them? For a guy that we are probably better off without? (EC, Lawal, Childress get more playing time. Chill to prove his big salary)

Are you kidding me?

I think your point about paying $6.5m for a bench player being too much is exaggerated and I don't think we're going to be stacked for the whole 5 seasons JChill is contracted for. JRich's return with the team next season is a big question mark since he could be traded or he might go off to find his last big pay check so there's a chance we'll just be running a 4 wing lineup to man the 2 and 3 spot. I think there's a chance, Dudley, JChill or Hedo could be moved, maybe not this season and maybe not the next one after, but I definitely don't see us having all 3 players the entire 4 seasons they'll be together. We just have too many wings and I don't see the FO staying put while we have holes in the 4 spot and with the 5 spot being a bit weak. Looking at JChill's salary alone, I think he's a borderline bargain and he'll be a great trade asset if we want to move him. MLE money for how much he brings to the court (rebounding, defense, hustle, slashing, finishing on fast breaks) is pretty good value. Either way, I think at least, one of either JChill or Dudley will be a starter in the near future and considering both players have such a great impact on the game, we'll be running a very cheap lineup no matter who starts and who comes off the bench (most likely in a 6th man role).

While I don't agree with your assessment of JChill, I think your opinion on Turk is pretty much spot on. With the loss of Amare, we had to know that we can't be legit contenders without at least a decent inside scorer so giving long term deals to average and mismatched talent is the last thing we should have done. Granted, JChill and Dudley and Warrick are on very manageable deals, but Hedo just didn't make any sense to me. Even if we were trying to reload, Hedo just isn't the guy and no matter how well he plays, he's just not worth that kind of money. Even if we didn't have Hill and Childress and we started Hedo at the 3, we still wouldn't be so good that it's worth taking on Hedo's deal. I don't think we're getting a game changer in Hedo even if he played to his potential and that's the kind of guy I'm expecting for the money we're paying.

[L2M4G]

Yes. Barbosa was alway one of my favourite players. He as such a nice guy, and everyone on the Suns, the players, coaching staff, and all the fans loved him. If there ever was a least hated player in the NBA, it would be Leandro Barbosa.

The trade on the other hand, was dumb. When Amare left, our first priority should have been to try and stay away from long expensive contracts. But, instead we traded LB for the worst contract in the NBA.

LB to Utah for their 6.5m TPE would've worked out better for both teams.

Fail. Rashard Lewis has the worst contract in the NBA.