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OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history

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OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#1 » by Raptor_Captor » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:33 pm

I don't know if anyone has seen this kid play yet but I have not seen much to like about him. He is in love with his jumper that doesn't love him back. The only guy I think about when I think of Barnes is Felipe Lopez.

Barnes was a pre season all american somehow. He doesn't even look that athletic out there.

On the contrary, Kyrie and Terrance Jones are looking like they should have a spot on the All-american squad right now. They have been ripping it up.
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Re: Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#2 » by Brought-Talents » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:38 pm

No I don't think so I think Greg Oden was, we never even heard much about Durant it was all about this kid being compared to David Robinson and whatnot. The hype is really the norm for the concensus number 1 pick of the draft. At this point the only way to overhype someone is to say something like "this kid will SAVE the NBA he WILL become better than Jordan they shoud just stop drafting kids after this guy cuz no one else can touch him."

Or do u mean overhype as in u don't think this kid will be any good?
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Re: Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#3 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:40 pm

He is the first ever freshmen that was preseason all-american, so he definetely had a high level of hype.

Wait for the season to play itself out, but he is certainly looking to be way overhyped.

Freshmen are overhyped all the time in the NCAA, but guys like Barnes and Lopez were viewed as extremely elite coming in. At a lower degree, Fab Melo, who was considered one of the top two or three freshmen centres entering the NCAA, has been an utter flop for Syracuse averaging about 3 points a game. He starts the game, blows, and then sits on the bench for the rest of the game. Reminds me of how Araujo used to start, and then only see the court a few more minutes after that.
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Re: Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#4 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:43 pm

Brought-Talents wrote:No I don't think so I think Greg Oden was, we never even heard much about Durant it was all about this kid being compared to David Robinson and whatnot. The hype is really the norm for the concensus number 1 pick of the draft. At this point the only way to overhype someone is to say something like "this kid will SAVE the NBA he WILL become better than Jordan they shoud just stop drafting kids after this guy cuz no one else can touch him."

Or do u mean overhype as in u don't think this kid will be any good?


Even Oden was not consensus preseason first team All-American.

Hell Carmelo Anthony, put up 23-10, and was not an All-American at the end of the season (mind you those get done before the tournament). But pre=Melo, Junior and Seniors would get the benefit of the doubt in these rankings. Since Melo's freshmen success, these awards give the benefit of the doubt to freshmen.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#5 » by DG88 » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:45 pm

Here use the draft thread
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#6 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:46 pm

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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#7 » by kdizzle » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:48 pm

Marvin Williams, that is who Harrison Barnes reminds me of.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#8 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:51 pm

kdizzle wrote:Marvin Williams, that is who Harrison Barnes reminds me of.


Interesting comparison, but Barnes is expected to be the man while Marvin was not.

Marvin had upperclassmen first rounders in Felton. May and McCants on his team. His lower numbers were seen more as deferring to them. Barnes can't get away with that.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#9 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:53 pm

kdizzle wrote:Marvin Williams, that is who Harrison Barnes reminds me of.


Interesting comparison, but Barnes is expected to be the man while Marvin was not.

Marvin had upperclassmen first rounders in Felton. May and McCants on his team. His lower numbers were seen more as deferring to them. Barnes can't get away with that.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#10 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:55 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Greg Paulus


There was worse

Lenny Cooke
Lester Earl
Chris Burgess (Basically Every 1990's Duke big man post Laettner - Greg Newton, Joey Beard, Tayman Domzalski (sp), Cherokee Parks)
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#11 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:58 pm

I start following college basketball pretty hard in the late 80's. The first overhyped freshmen I encountered was Damon Bailey at Indiana. The guy was expected to be a star immediately -- he finally became pretty good as a senior, but the hype for this kid coming into Indiana was unreal.

It was up there with the Fab Five coming in and Felipe Lopez.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#12 » by Brought-Talents » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:01 pm

Did you guys ever see that 30 for 30 thing? those documentaries? Man watching the one on Len Bias really made me wonder what if? This guy was "supposed" to be better than Jordan apperantly. Smooth Jump Shot and better hops than Jordan. Bias with the Celtics woulda extended their Dynasty and Jordan might never have gotten his first three-peat.

MAN! Scary...
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#13 » by Raptor_Captor » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:25 pm

I don't think Greg Oden was that big of a disapponitment as a freshman to be honest. He played a large part of the season with only one arm, which happened to be his wrong arm. He was shooting his free throws with his left and could basically only dunk or do left hand hooks and was still a double double threat and a big time shot blocker.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#14 » by Shaazzam » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:30 pm

lol at using hyperbole in regards to someone being overhyped
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#15 » by SnotoriousBIG » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:30 pm

Lloyd Daniels - the hype was staggering. He was considered to be the second best high schooler (until he started smoking crack) from NYC ever, until.....

Felipe Lopez- covers of magazines, rap songs just massive hype he could never live up to. He was suppose to be what Kobe eventually became.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#16 » by Worm Guts » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:36 pm

Raptor_Captor wrote:I don't think Greg Oden was that big of a disapponitment as a freshman to be honest. He played a large part of the season with only one arm, which happened to be his wrong arm. He was shooting his free throws with his left and could basically only dunk or do left hand hooks and was still a double double threat and a big time shot blocker.


Oden was awesome as a freshman, maybe not quite as dominant as billed but definitely no disappointment.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#17 » by Kabookalu » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:39 pm

I'm not really into the whole college scene and don't follow it well, but I can see why; guys like Wall and Oden are hyped going into the NBA for their potential but not as much going into college because everyone knows they're just gonna bounce after one year.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#18 » by SnotoriousBIG » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:45 pm

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Greg Paulus


There was worse

Lenny Cooke
Lester Earl
Chris Burgess (Basically Every 1990's Duke big man post Laettner - Greg Newton, Joey Beard, Tayman Domzalski (sp), Cherokee Parks)


I don't think Lenny made it to college to be a freshman and Lester Earl was such a
disappointment. LSU thought he was going to deliver a national championship, instead he almost destroyed their program :noway: :crazy:
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#19 » by JN » Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:59 pm

Choker wrote:I'm not really into the whole college scene and don't follow it well, but I can see why; guys like Wall and Oden are hyped going into the NBA for their potential but not as much going into college because everyone knows they're just gonna bounce after one year.


Not true.

Post Melo 2003 and the one year rule, freshmen (especially one and dones) get more hype entering college then ever.
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Re: OT:Is Harrison Barnes the most overhyped Freshman in history 

Post#20 » by fredericklove » Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:47 pm

Over-hyped by the youtube and media, scouts praised his game way too much, but for sure he's got the talent though, but never expected him to bring the storm into the college like kevin durant did, right now he's struggling due to poor guards play that's unable to feed him the ball, nor has he been assertive in the game in addition with his poor slow first step and weak ball handling. But overall, he's got the talent potential there but just hasn't been able to maximize his skills in college. The hype pressure thing sure got into his head too as he's trying to do everything perfect, it's not doing him any good.

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