Turk for Leandro revisited

[B-Ball-IQ]

Looking at Turkoglu makes me want to vomit though.

Don't look at Turkoglu or go ahead and vomit! It is obvious that you are SICK!

[B-Ball-IQ]

Thank you SUNS organization and fans for taking HEDO-N'T from us. LB is putting up better numbers for us than HEDO-N'T did. And Bryan Colangolo was given key to the city after the trade. HEDO'NT has one of worst contracts in the NBA. The guy doesn't even get hair cuts anymore because he is so CRAP. Look at him, he just wakes up and comes to the games. He cannot play alongside Steve Nash.

Thank you SUNS!!!

Get a life loser! What are you, a first grader? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

[raptorfever]

Thank you SUNS organization and fans for taking HEDO-N'T from us. LB is putting up better numbers for us than HEDO-N'T did. And Bryan Colangolo was given key to the city after the trade. HEDO'NT has one of worst contracts in the NBA. The guy doesn't even get hair cuts anymore because he is so CRAP. Look at him, he just wakes up and comes to the games. He cannot play alongside Steve Nash.

Thank you SUNS!!!

Get a life loser! What are you, a first grader? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

Get a life?...lol life is good here brother...how about you need some water in the desert?

[Sun Scorched]

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Lol

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Thread: Turk for Leandro revisited

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[Frank Lee]

Get a life?...lol life is good here brother...

hahaha... you will tire over the happy little chucker that is Barbasoso. Keep clinging to Hedu's inability to play along side the mishmash of almost talent ya'll had last yr, it might be the only bright spot you have in Barbs $15 million career.

Frankly, few miss LB, and the upside of Hedu's contribution was worth the 2 or 3 mill more per yr gamble. You may get the last laugh, but we can chuckle right along with you now. Be sure to look in if Hedu is traded... and keep us posted on Blindersosa... though we have seen the best he had to offer.

[B-Ball-IQ]

Thank you SUNS organization and fans for taking HEDO-N'T from us. LB is putting up better numbers for us than HEDO-N'T did. And Bryan Colangolo was given key to the city after the trade. HEDO'NT has one of worst contracts in the NBA. The guy doesn't even get hair cuts anymore because he is so CRAP. Look at him, he just wakes up and comes to the games. He cannot play alongside Steve Nash.

Thank you SUNS!!!

Get a life loser! What are you, a first grader? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

Get a life?...lol life is good here brother...how about you need some water in the desert?

If life is really good there brother, then what are you doing here with us in the "desert"??? It is obvious that you are suffering from "not enough sun light" syndrome But if you are not used to desert, the Sun can fry your remaining brain cells. Stay where you are and seriously get a life little boy!

[Cutter]

Get a life?...lol life is good here brother...

hahaha... you will tire over the happy little chucker that is Barbasoso. Keep clinging to Hedu's inability to play along side the mishmash of almost talent ya'll had last yr, it might be the only bright spot you have in Barbs $15 million career.

Frankly, few miss LB, and the upside of Hedu's contribution was worth the 2 or 3 mill more per yr gamble. You may get the last laugh, but we can chuckle right along with you now. Be sure to look in if Hedu is traded... and keep us posted on Blindersosa... though we have seen the best he had to offer.

Bravo! Well said!

[hyper316]

a bit off topic, but would you rather have Turk and Childress, or Villanueva and Gordon? both sets of players signed big contracts but on the bench

[DRK]

CV and Gordon every day of the week. Gordon would be awesome in our system, as he is an amazing shooter. Plus CV at PF is better than Turk at PF.

[rsavaj]

I prefer CV and Gordon for the reasons DRK espoused above.

But I really like what Turkoglu brings now that we're seeing him as an SF(novel concept, eh?). And I'm thinking Chilly will be a much more effective player once his finger heals....although it doesn't explain the fact that is D doesn't live up to the hype. The theory I've seen passed around is that he's still getting used to the speed of NBA players vs players abroad. Let's see if he improves.

[lilfishi22]

I really like JChill but I think in terms of fit, BG and CV would be great in our system. Gordon would be a solid upgrade over LB for 6th man and CV would be much better suited at the 4. We wouldn't have the mad log jam at the 4 which means Duds goes back to playing his role as a 25+mpg hustle/energy guy off the bench.

[phx#7]

I wasn't against the trade at the time because logically it seemed like it was a precursor to acquiring a PF even though I knew deep down the team intended to play him at PF.

Now that it's played out and my fears realized it's obviously a bad move. I know Raptor fans want the Suns fans to hate Hedo, but even as overpaid as he is I'd be ok with him at SF if the team had a starting quality PF.

I still fail to grasp the logic of committing so much money to Hedo, Childress and Dudley within the span of a couple months.

Just got to hope the new CBA will be beneficial to the Suns in getting out of some deals.

[raptorforlife88]

Stepping away as a a Raptors fan and my irrational hatred of Hedo, he's not a bad player. But I don't like his fit in Phoenix and the FO deciding to put him at PF is actually one of the single dumbest decisions I've seen. As everyone on earth expected, he was destroyed defensively, and the Suns were destroyed on rebounding.

As a SF he's fine, but he's still not a great fit because he requires the ball to create. He's best on the PR but not working off of it, he's not really an off-ball guy. And with Nash it's hard for him to get to handle the ball. What you're left with is a guy who's mostly acting as a spot up shooter for about 10 million dollars a year for the next 3-4 years. And that's just not a good monetary investment.

I can understand Barbosa needing to be traded, particularly with the signing of Childress, the emergence of Dudely, Dragic, and of course J-Rich being the guy at SG, but I don't think it was the right deal.

I think the Suns could have done better dealing away Barbosa. And if you can't get a better deal at the moment you hold on to him, and wait for one. You don't make a deal for the sake of making a deal. Especially when it's a trade that isn't helping your team in the long term future- and the short term benefits aren't very clear either.

[BurningHeart]

Easily Turk and Childress. Gordon is a chucker and Villanueva is total "meh" for me.

[Frank Lee]

I don't like his fit in Phoenix and the FO deciding to put him at PF is actually one of the single dumbest decisions I've seen.

A simple experiment, that did not work for the starting line up... but coming off the bench, it is now more of a match up scenario with the opposition. It wasn't fair to Hedu, as fans undeservedly blamed him for the inadequacies of replacing Amare. But, the experiment is over, and so is the discussion about it.

I think the Suns could have done better dealing away Barbosa.

I'll disagree on that... very few would (and will) take on such a one-dimensional slinger for 14 mil. In any deal, Phnx would be holding the bag on a similar contract for a 'problem' player. At least Hedu's shortfalls were more related to where he was, not so much who he was.

His skill set is valued in PHNX, and he and Gentry are finding his place. I'll take 25 minutes of Hedu off the bench. It is not like we traded a stater for him.

Especially when it's a trade that isn't helping your team in the long term future- and the short term benefits aren't very clear either.

If you adopt the theory that with Hedu, there is less strain on Nash, is that long term? With Hedu, Dragic is more effective ? Does that qualify ? Big 'may be' s yes, but it is far too early to say this has no future positive impact, especially with the swirling though unconfirmed trade rumors.

Short term wise, he certainly is helping much more than a grumbling non playing Leandrinho. There were ZERO minutes available to the Brazilian Blurb.... and as the season would roll on, every GM would know Barbo had no value to Phnx. The offers would certainly be atrociously one sided, if there were any. Furthermore, consider what the long term and short term bennies were/are from Barbososo. His greatest contribution last yr was an Avatar impersonation.

Thanks for the candid, non fingerpoke in the eye discussion though. You guys are happy, it appears we will be too, once the fan base quits blaming Hedu for our Amare-less situation.

[B-Ball-IQ]

Did you guys notice a "retardo" starting a thread blaming Hedo for leaving Orlando for the money! I guess there are many people around this forum just "offering their services" for free in their own lives. Right, if you are an engineer, just say you are not working for the money; your aim is to develop a software that will revolutionize our lives. Work for free. Yeah, how stupid for a professional athlete to leave a team for an additional $13 million dollars (numbers are according to this very generous and philanthropic fellow poster!). Hedo should have said "I am not interested in money; I am just playing for the championship and I do not need your money; that is insulting to me that you are offering me money"!

I guess we should remind ourselves that these guys are pro and playing basketball is their job! And I can see some saying that "well $40 million is already a lot of money! Why would you need more?"! ANTHRO 101: Homo sapiens is the only species in animal kingdom with infinite needs! PSYCH 101: the more you give people resources, the more they will want to acquire more economic power, higher status, and social privileges etc. And bad news: we cannot change the human nature.

Anyway, I think the Suns coaching staff should conduct an experiment if they are following the forums just for the sake of toying with some of the fans with no cerebral capacity. Here is how this extremely straightforward experiment should pan out:

The coaching staff has two hypotheses to be tested after inactivating Hedo and putting him to bench in street clothes

Hypothesis 1: Hedo is gone but our problems are lingering, as we still do not have a true PF and a strong defensive mentality. Our records did not increase tremendously; we win couple of games and we lose couple of games. So, the sky is not going to fall if we play HEDO.

Hypothesis 2: Hedo is gone and so are all of our problems!!! This is a miracle...We should have listened to those brilliant Suns fans (mostly) from CANADA!!! Those smart guys have been right all along. Look, we have the longest winning streak (37 consecutive wins!) in the league since Hedo's departure; we are currently the top team in the WC; we are the best defensive team in the league; we are the second best rebounding team in the league. Well, needless to say, we will probably play against Celtics for the championship! And thanks to Hedo!

I guess we should deport him from the US so that the economy will bounce back! Budget deficit in many states in the U.S. is Hedo's fault, too. Stone him, crucify him, burn him. He is ugly; he has bad hair; his English sucks after having lived in the US for over 10 years.

Please seriously consider this proposal Mr. Gentry. It is pretty easy to test Hedo's significance and effect. Let's see if he is capable of making the team terrible on his own. My problem is that you guys are overestimating this player. He is only ONE player on this team he cannot possibly be singlehandedly responsible for the current state of this basketball team! He is not that important.

[the_warden]

Market value and Bryan Colangelo value are two separate things. Colangelo is known for giving out horrible long term contracts, but regardless of that, Frye's contract was agreed to on July 1st, almost immediately after free agency negotiations began. Amir Johnson didn't agree to his contract till a day later. I highly doubt Frye was able to use a non-existent contract as leverage when negotiating. Frye was one of the first players to agree to his contract, he had no "market value" to use as leverage when Sarver offered him the $30,000,000 deal.

You are wrong.

Amir Johnson agreed to terms with the Raptors earlier in the day on July 1.

Here is AZCentral's article regarding Frye resigning: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/01/20100701phoenix-suns-sign-channing-frye-five-years-30-million.html

Here is a RealGM "rating the deal" article from earlier that day: http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/934/20100701/grading_the_deal_raptors_keep_amir_johnson/

As the Frye article notes, both Amir Johnson and Drew Gooden had agreed to deals already that day. Further, Coro reported that the Clippers offered Frye a deal equivalent to the full MLE (5 years/$34 million): http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/88249

So the cliff notes are basically that you have no idea what you're talking about and you're making stuff up to try to argue Frye got more than "market value." If you want to argue that we nevertheless paid Frye too much, that's fine, but his contract was certainly "market value."