Game 20 December 4, 2010: Mavericks at Kings

[JES12]

Butler is a moron

Says you. Butler played GREAT tonight!

[dirkster41]

Butler is a moron

Says you. Butler played GREAT tonight!

On the 2nd half that is. On the first he is chucking up shots.

[dyukcs]

Just because he was missing doesn't mean he was chucking. I think we would've done better with Butler instead of Marion in the 4th. And if Carlisle wanted more scoring, putting Butler in should be the go-to move before the 3 guard lineup.

[JES12]

Yup! Some of the misses he had was contested shots at the rim and one of them was one where he was passed the ball with seconds left on the clock and he had to throw up a prayer. Butler played good all game IMO.

But that Dirk guys had too many defensive lapses in the first half. There was a reason he was pulled, but people only see his shooting and gives him too many passes on the defensive end.

[dirkster41]

But that Dirk guys had too many defensive lapses in the first half. There was a reason he was pulled, but people only see his shooting and gives him too many passes on the defensive end.

But wasn't Dirk known for? His scoring? Dirk did have a nice defense on Landry blocking him

[JES12]

But that Dirk guys had too many defensive lapses in the first half. There was a reason he was pulled, but people only see his shooting and gives him too many passes on the defensive end.

But wasn't Dirk known for? His scoring? Dirk did have a nice defense on Landry blocking him

Yes...In the second half he had one good defensive play. He was decent the rest of the 2nd half. In the 1st half, he ran off his man allowing too many alley oops.

And as far as what he is know for....it doesn't matter. Every guy on the court needs to play on both ends of the court. We got into a deep hole because of the apathy of even guarding Green, playing off Evans and allowing Cousins to do whatever he wants. Many times, it was Dirk who should have at least attempted to stop some of those shots from Green and Cousins (and I think one from Thomspon too, but I can't remeber if it was Thompson or Cousins).

[johnwall]

dirk hasnt been play good d simple and plain, nor has he been rebounding enough lately

[JES12]

So League Pass has these replays of the game and Dirk was taken out right after he left Thompson wide open and received an alley-oop from Cousins. After Dirk came back in, the next time out Dallas called was after the Kings went up 12 off a Greene alley-oop dunk....defender no-one...because Dirk walked away from him and decided to triple-team Cousins who didn't even have the ball!!! I would call a time out after that too....Dirk would get chewed out too. But somehow, it is never Dirk's fault and always Rick...or Butler...or Barea or someone OTHER than the beloved Dirk.

Seriously....Dirk and Kidd were the reason's we dug a hole. Not Butler. Not Marion. Not Chandler. Not Haywood. But Kidd and Dirk.

Edit: Now is the time they stared to claw there way back...guess what...the Kings are missing contedsted shots where Dirk is staying away from the guys with the ball while the other 4 Mavs (Haywood, Marion, Terry and Barea) are playing very intense D. Not surpring....Dirk is taken out of the game again.

At some point, Dirk needs to realize that if he wants a ring, there has to be 5 defenders...not 4. Either that or he need to have some 50 point games to off-set the 20-30 that he allows.

[JES12]

OMG, the reason Cousins had that tip in was because Dirk walked away from the rim! Dirk needs to learn rebounding basics 101 all over again.

[ASIMO]

has anybody noticed Darrell Armstrong grabbed and raised up Bareas Head during the timeout after the freethow? poor little muffin...

[cmavswin]

has anybody noticed Darrell Armstrong grabbed and raised up Bareas Head during the timeout after the freethow? poor little muffin...

Darrell should have smacked him up side the head instead. Although I guess he cant because I remember plenty of times where he missed 2 freethrows.

[Nom De Guerre]

But that Dirk guys had too many defensive lapses in the first half. There was a reason he was pulled, but people only see his shooting and gives him too many passes on the defensive end.

But wasn't Dirk known for? His scoring? Dirk did have a nice defense on Landry blocking him

Yes...In the second half he had one good defensive play. He was decent the rest of the 2nd half. In the 1st half, he ran off his man allowing too many alley oops.

And as far as what he is know for....it doesn't matter. Every guy on the court needs to play on both ends of the court. We got into a deep hole because of the apathy of even guarding Green, playing off Evans and allowing Cousins to do whatever he wants. Many times, it was Dirk who should have at least attempted to stop some of those shots from Green and Cousins (and I think one from Thomspon too, but I can't remeber if it was Thompson or Cousins).

One good defensive play? Your agenda is getting stale. Right after that game saving block, Dirk had possibly the biggest play of the game. He deflected the pass on the final possession allowing Terry to come up with the steal. If Dirk doesn't get his hand on that ball, the Kings are playing for the
tie/win.

* I'm not sure you even watched the game. It was Chandler who kept giving up and 1s to Cousins, not Dirk.

[JES12]

I said his defense was decent in the 2nd half, but it is clear that YOU ARE THE ONE who did not watch the game if you did not see Dirk leaving his man and drifting into la la land. Yes, Cousins did get "and 1s" against a player who was playing defense. No "and 1" was Dirk's fault because he was always 5-15 feet away from his defensive assignment.

If you got League Pass, log on to broadband....go to the archieve section and watch the first half again. You will see that Dirk (and Kidd) is the reason why we were playing from behind all that half.

BTW, I went looking for that play you were talking about because I thought it was Chandler, but the "play right after" was an uncontested dunk by Cousins where Dirk was standing there watching him dunk. Chandler went to to help on a penetrading Beno and Dirk, instead of rotating to Cousins....just stood there watching. As far as the play you are talking about...Dirk deflected the pass from Cousins to Landry, but it still went right to Laundry w/o him having to move his feet. Not much of a deflection if you ask me. Then Chandler made Landry throw an errand pass right to Terry who jumped in front of Garcia for the steal. The only defensive plays on that last sequence was Terry and Chandler...not Dirk (but at least Dirk was trying to play defense on that play...unlike the first half).

It is amazing how much the personal bias of fans affect your memory of the events. It's not just Dirk. You guys think Barea is bad, therefor every play he makes is bad and no one else on the floor is at fault. Same with Butler and MArion at times. Same with Haywood. At times, Terry too. But Dirk, since he is the best stat pusher, all of his crappy play gets forgotten. It is a good thing there is film to set the record straight.

And I am a Dirk fan....look at my avatar. There are only 3 guys on our team I am a huge fan of (Dirk, Chandler, Roddy) but at least I can look at the game with an un-biased eye.

[Nom De Guerre]

Not sure what "video" you're watching bro.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt= ... 2010120423

“Dirk got his hand on the pass, I rotated and was in the right spot at the right time,” Terry said.

[JES12]

Not sure what "video" you're watching bro.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt= ... 2010120423

“Dirk got his hand on the pass, I rotated and was in the right spot at the right time,” Terry said.

There is no video on your link. Watch the video and you will see that Dirk did not stop anything. It was Chandler who stopped the drive and Terry who stole the ball.

If you don't have League Pass...buy it...watch it and then get back to me.

[JES12]

For those who don't have League Pass....
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=588648 ... id=2459789

At the end of the clip, is shows right after Dirk tips the ball nowhere of consequence (right to the player it was intended for) and then Landry drives....stopped by Chandler and thrown to Terry in front of Garcia.

But whatever....people on this forum clearly has bias' and agendas and don't want to recognize the truth. So be it. You are only poisining your own memory.

[Nom De Guerre]

So you're calling Jason Terry a liar?

[JES12]

So you're calling Jason Terry a liar?

Did I say that? No. I could say that Jason Terry dunked the ball and then Chandler stopped Landry. That does not mean that Terry's dunk had anything to do with Chandler stopping Landry.

I mean, really...you try to insult me on one thread, dismiss my TRUE statements as a "stale agenda" and then say I didn't watch the game because you have this fictional imagination about what happened and then I show you video of what happened and your response is to ask if I called Terry a lier?

Really? Dude..give it up. You clearly did not know what you were talking about...got called out on it...and now trying to put words in my mouth.

[Nom De Guerre]

The video shows what happened. Dirk got his hand on the pass. That's why Terry said it. I'm not sure what's complicated. Clearly there is a difference between what is actually happening and what you're perceiving in your head. You might want to get that looked in to. I can't imagine what kind of warped life you must live.

[JES12]

The video shows what happened. Dirk got his hand on the pass. That's why Terry said it. I'm not sure what's complicated. Clearly there is a difference between what is actually happening and what you're perceiving in your head. You might want to get that looked in to. I can't imagine what kind of warped life you must live.

That video I posted does not show Dirk touching the ball at all...in fact, Dirk's arms never even went up. Dirk touched the ball before Landry caught the pass from Cousins. And you are the only one perceiving anything in your head.

But it is clear, as I said before, you have no clue what you are talking about and only arguing now because you were proven wrong and your pride must be hurt. Sorry. You want to make blank accusations at me, you better be prepared as I can back my statements up.

Edit: See...this is as high as Dirk's hands got. Barely above his head. The ball is about 3-4 feet above his head. Yet you say video shows he "got his hand on the pass."