Iguodala available

[The J Rocka]

WT:

The 76ers are attempting to trade swingman Andre Iguodala, league sources have told Bob Finnan of the Mourning Journal.

There is no active dialogue between the two teams, but a source said to keep an eye on the Cavaliers.

Cleveland has a $14.5 million trade exception they could use to acquire Iguodala.

Via Morning Journal

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... z17G2Ux7kP

Does Kahn make an offer for him?

Is Iggy really that player we are looking for?

Is he worth the salary?

Should we roll with the wings we already have?

Should we wait to see who is available later in the year?

Personally, I like him as a player, my only concern is that he's not that #1 option superstar that we may be looking for, unless we are sold on Beasley. I'm thinking we may be able to get something possibly better at the deadline or in the summer, but there's also a saying, You snooze, You lose.

Discuss.

[Foye]

I'm kinda afraid that if we take on Iguodala we might end up being a pretender and won't be able to extend most of our young players.

[shrink]

Iguodala is certainly one of the most realistic, available options for talent out there. I think that PHI knows its not going anywhere, with only 5 win so far, and questions whether Iggy can fit alongside Evan Turner. It's interesting the CLE is mentioned, since they really lack rebuilding pieces except for their $14.5 mil TPE, and this makes me suspicious that PHI just wants to get out from that contract.

As a MIN fan, who wouldn't like Iguodala? He defends, he can score, he's not old, and he never gets hurt. Our least-talented spot is at the 2, and we have only 80 days before our own cap space gooes "poof." However, that salary is simply huge for a guy who's proven he can't be a Number 1.

2010-11 $12,345,250
2011-12 $13,351,750
2012-13 $14,718,250
2013-14 $15,904,750

At a little over $14 mil/year, this is a one-way trip. If a legit Number 1 comes along, which is something we've always said we needed, we won't be able to afford the guy (assuming we'd want to pay to keep Love and Beasley .. though that's not guaranteed).

One of my frustrations with Ridnour's contract is that you don't lock up that much money for that long for a back-up .. a guy that doesn't fit the salary-role, especially for a lottery team. You lose flexibility both with the roster and with the payroll. I get the same concerns over Iguodala's contract. If you're taking a $14 mil, 4-year chunk out of your payroll, most teams spend that money on their Number 1 guy. If we do it on Iguodala, does that mean we may be passing on a true Number 1 in the future?

And we're also a team with 5 wins. Is Iguodala going to make us a play-off team, or stall us in the middle of the pack for the next 4 years?

As a fan, I have to admit I'd be excited. We'd certainly win more games. As a realist, I would have to say I have real concerns if Iguodala is a dead-end.

[Klomp]

I'm kinda afraid that if we take on Iguodala we might end up being a pretender and won't be able to extend most of our young players.

You can go over the cap to resign your own guys, thats not a problem.

[bluethunder0005]

Iguodala is what this team needs. A 2nd capable ball handler, a slasher, a good defender, and can score fairly well. I'm not sure what he's worth money wise but his talent worth probably won't get much lower.

PG: Flynn 32/Ridnour 16
SG: Iguodala 33/Johnson 15
SF: Beasley 35/Johnson 13
PF: Love 35/Tolliver 13
C: Darko 30/Pek 18

Trade Brewer, the trade exception, and one of those 1st rounders we got for Al.

[Basti]

I'm kinda afraid that if we take on Iguodala we might end up being a pretender and won't be able to extend most of our young players.

You can go over the cap to resign your own guys, thats not a problem.

It would suck, though, if a hard cap came after the new CBA is settled.

[Twolves98]

I would Love this if is contract was up after next year. That being said Beasley and Iguodala on the wings and Rubio at point we have no shooters that are consistent. I think if we do this Beasley needs to come of the bench or Love

[NewWolvesOrder]

I'd try Beas for Iggy. Beasley brings scoring via mid-range jumpshooting with some rebounding plus putrid perimeter defense( we get killed by every opposing SF). Iguodala brings very good defense, rebounding from SG position, ballhandling, playmaking, ability to get to the rim, the guy is garnett of wing players, I think he's a better fit next to guys like Wes and Webster compared to Beasley.
I understand many would disagree with me bacause Beasley can be a go-to scorer while Iggy proved to not be that guy. But I would take a kg type player over melo type player.

[teven_1]

If Beaz was further along I'd say pull the trigger, but we're still finding ourselves, there's no need to make a move for an over paid player just yet, given that it wont garner us the results we want.

I think Iggy would be a brilliant second banana for Beaz (as soon as Beaz becomes a more dead eye 3 point shooter and more comfortable in the clutch) right now Iggy would be the more logical primary option and that would just hinder Beasleys development

[Foye]

I'm kinda afraid that if we take on Iguodala we might end up being a pretender and won't be able to extend most of our young players.

You can go over the cap to resign your own guys, thats not a problem.

Still, we're not the Lakers that can afford to resign anyone if they want and spend 100 mil./year.

[eyeteeth]

Hm. So tempting.

I don't think the salary issues are the biggest hurdle. If we're going to win enough to advance in the playoffs someday, we're going to go over the cap. And I don't believe there will be a hard cap; it gives away too much of the large market teams' advantage, and it's in the NBA's marketing interest to have those teams do well. The question with money should be whether we want to spend this much this soon.

The real issue with taking Iggy is fitting everybody on the court with enough minutes. I am assuming we are committed to developing Johnson. He's our draft choice and it seems that internal estimates of his ceiling are very high. He would go to the bench. Brewer would be gone for sure, probably in the trade to Philly. I wonder, really, if this doesn't put either Martell or Beasley on the block, especially long term. It's too early to see for sure, but I would guess Bealsey would be the more likely to be traded, just because he has shown enough flashes of great upside to improve his value, and because he has shown enough flakiness that Khanbis might be willing to let him go. It's just so early in his development, though. This seems unwise. But I don't see there being enough minutes for Beasley, Webster and Iggy, and Iggy and Webster are the more consistent and well-rounded players.

NOTE: I know that Iggy is a 2, and Beasley is (playing as) a 3. My analysis is based on the oft repeated assertion that in the Wolves offense we play more "wings" than 2's and 3's.

Also, a quick note about Iggy's health. Yes, he has been an ironman out there, but this is not necessarily a good thing. He has been 3rd, 1st and 2nd in minutes played in the last 3 seasons, and he is 27 years old. The Wolves plan is not for this year or next year, but for several years down the road. Iggy will almost certainly not be the athletic player he is now at that time.

Overall, I think it's a situation where we don't do this because it's not a perfect fit. Instead, this would be like making a move just to make a move. We are not in a win now mode, and this is a win now trade. It undercuts our strategy of developing inexpensive young players with high upside, and commits us to spending more than we need to in the short term. Also, Iggy's age and high minutes played make it unlikely he will be able to help us in four or five years when we want to be approaching our peak.

[the_bruce]

Webster(or ridnour or Brewer) + cap + mem or Uta picks(or both) for Iggy

whatever?

[shrink]

2012-13 payroll

$14.7 Iguodala
$11.0 Beasley (let's be optimistic)
$11.0 Love (big)
$5.2 Darko
$4.9 Pekovic
$3.7 Rubio .. could be much higher if he doesnt play in 2011 with lock-out
$4.2 Wes Johnson
$4.0 Ridnour
$6.5 (2) 2011 picks?
$5.7 Webster?
$4.3 Flynn?

$75.2 mil. The lux is $70 right now, and the cap is $58 mil.

Now, I understand some players may be traded over the next 18 months, especially near the end of my list, but they may bring back players of similar salaries. I don't think that team is a true contender, and we're already over the lux.

I think Webster needs to be in any deal, and maybe more. Cap space can play a part, but we need to shed some salary.

[mandurugo]

if you can get Iggy for the scraps mentioned above the wolves should try to trade Love for Favors and move everyone to their natural positions:

Starting 5:
Darko
Beasley
Johnson
Iggy
Ridnour

Favors backs up Darko and Beasley, Webster backs up Johnson and Iggy, once Rubio arrives you've got a very good team.

[Foye]

What's with you guys being in love with Favors so much? He has had a pretty underwhelming November and right now Love is miles away the better player and there's a huge chance he will always be the better player. Favors would be nice as a 3rd big of the bench but not at the expense of losing Kevin Love!

[GDG]

Not that Philly would have all the leverage in this deal, but would it be safe to assume that they would be looking for a big man in return? Pekovic + (Brewer, Wes, or Webster) maybe?

Webster would have to prove his health before he could be included obviously.

Finding a way to sneak Ridnour into the deal would be super kewl as well. Ridnour would fit in a suitcase, right?

[horaceworthy]

if you can get Iggy for the scraps mentioned above the wolves should try to trade Love for Favors and move everyone to their natural positions:

Starting 5:
Darko
Beasley
Johnson
Iggy
Ridnour

Favors backs up Darko and Beasley, Webster backs up Johnson and Iggy, once Rubio arrives you've got a very good team.

Iggy's natural position is SF (although I'm not sure the SF/SG distinction matters much when it comes to the Wolves). I'm also not sold that Beasley's natural position is PF. His offensive game is a better fit at SF, and I think he'll still be a work in progress defensively (to put it kindly) at either position. I'd rather have him at the position where he isn't undersized.

[shangrila]

Sounds like a good idea in theory. He's a better defender then anyone we have now, has playoff experience and has the right skill set to succeed in this system. But there are still a lot of drawbacks.

He's well paid for his production, for example, and as a mainly athletic player is more likely to fall off a cliff when he starts to decline. I also worry that he puts us in that "good enough to make the playoffs but not enough to go anywhere" category of teams. Finally, he's not a great shooter. If the plan is to put him with Rubio then our shooting is going to suffer unless one of Rubio, Iggy and Beas significantly improve.

I don't know, I guess if they called and were asking for Brewer, Ellington, capspace and a 1st I'd probably say yes. But I think it would cost more then that.

EDIT: You know who might be worth a look? Antwan Jamison. He fits that Sam Mitchell type of veteran a lot of us have been talking about and while he makes a ridiculous amount of money, it expires next year and that kind of massive expiring could be useful for teams trying to get out from under old-CBA contracts. Plus I doubt he'd cost much if anything and a Jamison for Brewer+Ellington deal still leaves the team with about 4 mil of pure cap space to work with.

[eyeteeth]

EDIT: You know who might be worth a look? Antwan Jamison. He fits that Sam Mitchell type of veteran a lot of us have been talking about and while he makes a ridiculous amount of money, it expires next year and that kind of massive expiring could be useful for teams trying to get out from under old-CBA contracts. Plus I doubt he'd cost much if anything and a Jamison for Brewer+Ellington deal still leaves the team with about 4 mil of pure cap space to work with.

We're in agreement that the Wolves offense takes a while to learn, yes? Why would we trade for an expiring when we are working on building a team? The idea of veteran leadership is great, but I would prefer (strongly prefer) that it be a player with experience in the triangle and someone worth keeping around for more than one season as well.

Besides which, Jamison is very overpaid.

[revprodeji]

Iggy is my little brother's favorite player. I enjoy watching him. I am not sure I would make a move for him. He is overpaid and he seems to need a high usage in order to be productive. I would prefer an offense that involved passing to multiple players and if someone is ball dominate it is Rubio. I am not sure Iggy fits the role of what we want and would rather see us avoid the contract and develop Wes/Beasley and whatever rookie we bring in.