Shaun Marcum Traded to the Brewers for Brett Lawrie

Post #81 » by **darth_federer** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:16 am

So Nick Bucci guys. Who is he?

Kurtz · Post #82 » by **Kurtz** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:16 am

trwi7 wrote:I like how your GM can get a power arm under control cheaply for many years for a reliever and A ball outfielder who completely sucked prior to this year and our GM gets a mediocre arm under control for two years with bad mechanics and a Tommy John surgery for our best prospects.

It's really not even fair how those negotiations went.

Dude, you just got a legitimate ace at a cheap contract for the next 2 years. Don't go jumping off a bridge quite yet, this move just put you a lot closer to the playoffs.

Post #83 » by **YogiStewart** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:16 am

Griffin kind of goes over the trade on his blog

LBJSeizedMyID · Post #84 » by **LBJSeizedMyID** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:16 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Then why trade Shaun Marcum only for prospects? If it's not about money, it's really hard to find a reasonable justification for doing that.

Wasn't JP Riccardi's biggest mistake "going for it" after the Jays had that good season in his second year? I think AA has a plan. Maybe another trade for Greinke is closer than we thought. Hell, the Royals were in talks with the Brewers so maybe the Royals said in passing they liked Lawrie or whoever's coming our way. Otherwise, AA is sticking to his plan on rebuilding. If it's Lawrie that's involved, he's only 1-2 years away.

If it's about the money then we wouldn't be linked to some high profile players - ie. Greinke, Reynolds, Ramirez, Heath Bell etc.

Post #85 » by **Schad** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:16 am

Richard Griffin is saying that the second prospect might be Nick Bucci, a 20 year old Canadian RHSP in low-A who is just tad raw. That means it isn't Nick Bucci, because we're talking about Richard Griffin.

Post #86 » by **YogiStewart** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:18 am

can we have a gentleman's wager re: Marcum being an ace for the BRewers?

i think that notion is quite ridiculous

Waylon Mercy · Post #87 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:19 am

Rickey Romero on Twitter

"I'm gonna miss one of my good friends on the team Shaun Marcum still shocked he got traded. Wish him the best. Always reppin LTD son!!!"

-MetA4- · Post #88 » by **-MetA4-** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:20 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:
Honestly he was one of the last guys I expected to be traded...

Not only were there Marcum trade rumors last trade-deadline; he's also the only "top 4 starter" in our rotation who isn't both young and signed on long term. He was absolutely one of the most likely to get traded.

Avenger · Post #89 » by **Avenger** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:21 am

YogiStewart wrote:can we have a gentleman's wager re: Marcum being an ace for the BRewers?

i think that notion is quite ridiculous

The Brewers have Yovani Gallardo, Marcum might not be their ace but that doesn't mean this is a bad trade for MIL

flatjacket1 · Post #90 » by **flatjacket1** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:21 am

Avenger wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Avenger wrote:This is the same franchise that gave out the largest guaranteed contract EVER for a pitcher with less than 2 years service time. This isn't a financial thing at all, i don't know how anyone could possibly see it that way.

Then why trade Shaun Marcum only for prospects? If it's not about money, it's really hard to find a reasonable justification for doing that.

ever heard of this concept called selling high?

That's a great strategy, maybe he did?

Hes just as likely to have a better season this year as a worse one, introduce the possibility of injuries and I argue this is selling high.

CapeCrusader · Post #91 » by **CapeCrusader** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:21 am

Gonna miss Marcum and don't mind dealing him. But I feel we could of packaged him up with a prospect or two to fill in a void at another position. We have many many prospects...so I don't know about trading for more.

Randle McMurphy · Post #92 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:21 am

The Flying Gent wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Then why trade Shaun Marcum only for prospects? If it's not about money, it's really hard to find a reasonable justification for doing that.

Justification like... pitching being a major area of strength for our team, getting great talent in return, Marcum is probably too old (29 in a few days) to be relied upon as part of the core, and will be even older when it's time to pay up?

You're being needlessly cynical.

Not cynical, I'm just trying to understand why they traded a 3.5 WAR prospect for prospects. Doing that sets the 2011 team back significantly.

trwi7 · Post #93 » by **trwi7** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:22 am

darth_federer wrote:So Nick Bucci guys. Who is he?

Sarnia native. Was awesome in the Pioneer League in 2009. Struggled with control in the Midwest League last year. Similar stuff to Marcum.

If he's in the trade you guys have to keep the Baby-Faced Assassin nickname.

Avenger · Post #94 » by **Avenger** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:23 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
The Flying Gent wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Then why trade Shaun Marcum only for prospects? If it's not about money, it's really hard to find a reasonable justification for doing that.

Justification like... pitching being a major area of strength for our team, getting great talent in return, Marcum is probably too old (29 in a few days) to be relied upon as part of the core, and will be even older when it's time to pay up?

You're being needlessly cynical.

Not cynical, I'm just trying to understand why they traded a 3.5 WAR prospect for prospects. Doing that sets the 2011 team back significantly.

not really, Rzep is pretty likely put in a solid year, without a rotation spot open he would have been mvoed to a useless bullpen role.

Post #95 » by **Schad** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:23 am

I didn't know that Kris Humphries' younger brother was a pitcher.

Randle McMurphy · Post #96 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:23 am

Avenger wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Avenger wrote:This is the same franchise that gave out the largest guaranteed contract EVER for a pitcher with less than 2 years service time. This isn't a financial thing at all, i don't know how anyone could possibly see it that way.

Then why trade Shaun Marcum only for prospects? If it's not about money, it's really hard to find a reasonable justification for doing that.

ever heard of this concept called selling high?

Selling high is great, and I've been asking for them to do it with Marcum for a while. I'm just not sure why they sold him high for a package of prospects.

Randle McMurphy · Post #97 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:23 am

darth_federer wrote:So Nick Bucci guys. Who is he?

A throw in.

DonYon · Post #98 » by **DonYon** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:24 am

trwi7 wrote:
darth_federer wrote:So Nick Bucci guys. Who is he?

Sarnia native. Was awesome in the Pioneer League in 2009. Struggled with control in the Midwest League last year. Similar stuff to Marcum.

...what the hell is Marcum without control?

Avenger · Post #99 » by **Avenger** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:24 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Selling high is great, and I've been asking for them to do it with Marcum for a while. I'm just not sure why they sold him high for a package of prospects.

you sound like a leafs fan who knows a little bit about the Jays, just because you don't get major leaguers doesn't mean its a bad deal

Randle McMurphy · Post #100 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:25 am

Avenger wrote:not really, Rzep is pretty likely put in a solid year, without a rotation spot open he would have been mvoed to a useless bullpen role.

You can't expect a guy like Rzep, Litsch, Drabek, or Stewart to put up a season like Marcum just had.