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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#121 » by penquin11 » Mon Dec 6, 2010 6:08 am

captaincrunk wrote:Is there a center likely to go in the top 5 or so?

No, centers are trash this year.


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My top 3 guys I would love for this team to grab:

Terrence Jones

Derrick Williams

Kyrie Irving

Kemba walker

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BTW an intresting question: Which Position do we need to draft the most?
take into account the star factor (how many players of said position end up as stars), teem need, and ect...

I would vote Center, however I dont see much talent at C in this years draft. So I am stuck between SF and PG, while SF's have a higher "star factor" or rather a scoring factor I still found myself stating that we need a PG, as while a star SF is great a star PG is a whole other animal. A star PG can take a team from mediocre to championship material (see Hornets for detail/ Chris Paul)
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#122 » by BigSlam » Mon Dec 6, 2010 2:05 pm

captaincrunk wrote:Is there a center likely to go in the top 5 or so?

Motiejunas or Kanter might.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#123 » by SWedd523 » Mon Dec 6, 2010 4:09 pm

Jon Henson shut Terrence Jones down.




Tyler Zeller has been balling all year, and really, his entire career when not injured. If he comes out, I'd love to pick him up in the later part of the first or early second. He's a legit 7 footer that plays D, has a jumper, hook from both shoulders, hits FT's, AND is athletic.


Top 3 guys I'd pick would still be:


1. Barnes (to play SG or SF, he's not putting up the numbers you'd expect, but he's still going to be a dynamite player in the league. Has plenty of size to overpower SG's and is still big enough to play SF)

2. Irving (sure we have DJ, but you pick for best available talent, not necessarily positional need. Kyrie is another one of those super athletic, new wave PG's that are taking over the league. He's legit)

3. Jared Sullinger (big, strong, low post presence on both ends of the floor. tough as nails and smart. He's DeMarcus Cousins with less attitude and fat)



Not sold on: T. Jones (something about him doesn't work for me. Not real sure what it is. He doesn't seem like a very smart guy and I'm not sure he can continue playing well when he's not feasting on undersized opponents)

Kemba Walker (undersized 2 guard in a PG's body. Not much of a distributor and will likely be a energy guy off the bench. Not worth a lottery pick)



JaJuan Johnson and Tyler Zeller are later targets for post players, Marcus Morris is the wing target and Klay Thompson is the Guard.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#124 » by captaincrunk » Mon Dec 6, 2010 5:42 pm

Well I ask about Centers because that's what we'll need most next year. Next year DJ will be a year better and have starters minutes under him. Next year Nazr will be another year older. Kwame would be a fine reserve, and even Nazr too. But if we sign another center we can get rid of one of them (still stuck with Diop until a trade). Tyrus Thomas might be consistent enough to start next year as well. We have a lot of undeveloped talent on this team already, I think we should fill up the positions that are populated with geezers if we can.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#125 » by penquin11 » Mon Dec 6, 2010 8:11 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:Jon Henson shut Terrence Jones down.




Tyler Zeller has been balling all year, and really, his entire career when not injured. If he comes out, I'd love to pick him up in the later part of the first or early second. He's a legit 7 footer that plays D, has a jumper, hook from both shoulders, hits FT's, AND is athletic.


Top 3 guys I'd pick would still be:


1. Barnes (to play SG or SF, he's not putting up the numbers you'd expect, but he's still going to be a dynamite player in the league. Has plenty of size to overpower SG's and is still big enough to play SF)

2. Irving (sure we have DJ, but you pick for best available talent, not necessarily positional need. Kyrie is another one of those super athletic, new wave PG's that are taking over the league. He's legit)

3. Jared Sullinger (big, strong, low post presence on both ends of the floor. tough as nails and smart. He's DeMarcus Cousins with less attitude and fat)



Not sold on: T. Jones (something about him doesn't work for me. Not real sure what it is. He doesn't seem like a very smart guy and I'm not sure he can continue playing well when he's not feasting on undersized opponents)

Kemba Walker (undersized 2 guard in a PG's body. Not much of a distributor and will likely be a energy guy off the bench. Not worth a lottery pick)


JaJuan Johnson and Tyler Zeller are later targets for post players, Marcus Morris is the wing target and Klay Thompson is the Guard.


Tyler Zeller has stepped up ALOT this year, and is proving that he can be a 20ppg - 10 rpg player in college at least. If he continues his reign of excellence then he could go in the lottery.

Also I like Jajuan Johnson....


On the topic of Barnes I must admit that the majority of his scoring woes have come from the way Roy is playing him, honestly I watched a game and thought that Roy was holding him back waaay to much, either that or Barnes suffers from confidence problems.

Also to be honest I believe that Kemba Walker would fit our teams need better then Irving, while they are both great talents Walker is more of that Clutch- super leader player that we desperately need. Irving is good however I cannot be sure as to whether he is a leader as long as Nolan and whatshisface are on the team too. Also Kemba is an underatted distributor, he has roughly 4 a game in a system that utilizes him as a SG, and he also is a GREAT defender, the only PG Ive seen defend as well as him this year is none other then Marcus Jordan, who defends like a god....

Finally I would like to say that I believe Selby will have a huge year once he can play, I'm even willing to say that he will score at least 18ppg.... and thats moderate in my mind.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#126 » by Marvel » Mon Dec 6, 2010 8:46 pm

Swedd....Walker will be a stud in the NBA, he has everything you could possibly ask for out of a young pg. But if you're not sold on him, i'm not going to change your mind, guess you'll just have to wait till his rookie season.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#127 » by SWedd523 » Mon Dec 6, 2010 8:56 pm

He's a 6'1 SG in a PG's body who requires the ball to be effective. He can't distribute so he's not going to start at PG and he's far too small to play SG. He'll be relegated to a bench role (a la Terry) to spark the offense.


He's no Allen Iverson.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#128 » by Marvel » Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:05 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:He's a 6'1 SG in a PG's body who requires the ball to be effective. He can't distribute so he's not going to start at PG and he's far too small to play SG. He'll be relegated to a bench role (a la Terry) to spark the offense.


He's no Allen Iverson.


He's an underrated passer, but saying he can't distribute.....SMH i don't know if you've seen him play.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#129 » by penquin11 » Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:47 pm

Thats exactly what I was thinking, the man can get the ball where he wants it when he wants it, to be truthful to his stats he is avging roughly 5 apg and has a great steal avg of 2.1 pg, he also seems to have a great grasp on the game. At this point he is what we need....
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#130 » by Jaruff » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:12 am

SWEDD523 wrote:He's a 6'1 SG in a PG's body who requires the ball to be effective. He can't distribute so he's not going to start at PG and he's far too small to play SG. He'll be relegated to a bench role (a la Terry) to spark the offense.


He's no Allen Iverson.


You know, he reminds me of a taller DJ. I don't think that you would want both of them playing at the same time so drafting Kemba would probably result in DJ being dealt.

Anyone can do the Allen Iverson role if you have a guard that can distribute. Philly had Snow and McKie. We don't have that player unless you want to count Livingston and I'd rather not.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#131 » by penquin11 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:18 am

think of it the other way around, DJ being delt would result in Kemba being drafted.... :D btw my 2nd round nominee for us is Aaric Murray, hes a BEAST!
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#132 » by BigSlam » Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:28 am

He's TJ Ford with better shooting.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#133 » by penquin11 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:01 am

BigSlam wrote:He's TJ Ford with better shooting.


and more potential, defensive ability, and finally a much more beautified Jump shot.... Not to mention TJ could never score like Kemba.... So actually they arent much alike. Kemba does sort of reminds me of a young Allen Iverson, just look at his ball control, also this is from last year, since he has major strides.....

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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#134 » by SWedd523 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:16 am

Kemba will be a bust.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#135 » by penquin11 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:20 am

SWEDD523 wrote:Kemba will be a bust.


How is it that now a-days a player that not only has natural talent but also a fierce determination to improve and a unparalleled desire to win will be a bust?

I in my past 6 years of scouting have NEVER picked a bust in either the NBA or NFL and I dont intend for Walker to be the first.... Trust me he has all the makings of a great player, athleticism, heart, and skill.
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Post#136 » by BigSlam » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:21 am

More potential? There is a reason Ford was drafted 8th over all in maybe the strongest draft in NBA history - as a sophmore.

Walker will be coming into the NBA (assuming he declares) as a junior having a full years more experience at the college level. Compare Ford's numbers over his two seasons at Texas with Walkers numbers over his first two seasons at UConn.

They are both very quick, very athletic, light weight PG's who like to push the ball and score. Ford might be a more pure point though while Walker has more range on his J.

They are very much alike - and I predict that Walker will have the same struggles in the NBA that Ford has had (short of the shocking injury history).
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#137 » by BigSlam » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:23 am

penquin11 wrote:Trust me he has all the makings of a great player, athleticism, heart, and skill.

Poor decision making, a me first attitude, is under sized...........
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#138 » by SWedd523 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:25 am

penquin11 wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:Kemba will be a bust.


How is it that now a-days a player that not only has natural talent but also a fierce determination to improve and a unparalleled desire to win will be a bust?

I in my past 6 years of scouting have NEVER picked a bust in either the NBA or NFL and I dont intend for Walker to be the first.... Trust me he has all the makings of a great player, athleticism, heart, and skill.


Adam Morrison had a natural talent, fierce determination to improve, and an unparalleled desire to win. He was a bust.


You're talking to the guy who called Derrick Rose being a star-----when he was in high school. I'm sure you can "scout" with the best of them, but guys like Kemba don't excel in a starting role in the NBA. They just don't.
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#139 » by penquin11 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:46 am

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SWEDD523 wrote:Kemba will be a bust.


How is it that now a-days a player that not only has natural talent but also a fierce determination to improve and a unparalleled desire to win will be a bust?

I in my past 6 years of scouting have NEVER picked a bust in either the NBA or NFL and I dont intend for Walker to be the first.... Trust me he has all the makings of a great player, athleticism, heart, and skill.


Adam Morrison had a natural talent, fierce determination to improve, and an unparalleled desire to win. He was a bust.


You're talking to the guy who called Derrick Rose being a star-----when he was in high school. I'm sure you can "scout" with the best of them, but guys like Kemba don't excel in a starting role in the NBA. They just don't.



Errr Morrison wasnt what i define as an "Athlete" he didnt finish above the rim, ever, he didnt pass the ball, ever, and he didnt rebound, ever.... Enough said.

Also Calling D. Rose an All-Star is a good call but an obvious one, even that early on. In different news if Derrick Williams ends up a impact player in the NBA then I earn props for picking him in 9th grade
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Re: 2010/11 NCAA Game Thread/Prospects Watch 

Post#140 » by SWedd523 » Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:50 am

You listed three things:

1. Natural talent--anybody who says Ammo didn't have loads of natural talent is a doofus
2. Fierce determination to improve--He started his career as an unknown and ended up being the National POTY and leading scorer in the nation, while simultaneously putting Gonzaga on the map
3. Unparalleled desire to wiin--This is the guy who CRIED on the court after he lost a game. 'nuff said




You never said anything about athleticism?
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