Jays showing "the most interest" in Greinke

[LBJSeizedMyID]

That's where I don't agree with you. Snider has his issues but if you think he's purely a 25 HR that's just silly talk.

Greinke has his issues too don't kid yourself. He has a history of anxiety problems, so I'm not sure he's the right guy to anchor a pitching staff. Greinke is the Chris Bosh of pitchers. He's an all star, but I don't necessarily think of him as a stud.

[tecumseh18]

I'm not so worried about Greinke's 2010 season. It must be hard for pitchers on a perennial loser to be consistently good from season to season. Jays behind Roy weren't a great team, but he often had decent run support. We just never knew from year to year whether the starters or the bullpen or the batters would be dominant. Only in 2010 did we start to put it together.

All this to say, Greinke may be excited to have Bombtista & Co. (less Snider) supporting him, and his performance will improve accordingly. He's apparently waived his "no trade to Toronto" clause.

[andyo]

That's where I don't agree with you. Snider has his issues but if you think he's purely a 25 HR that's just silly talk.

Greinke has his issues too don't kid yourself. He has a history of anxiety problems, so I'm not sure he's the right guy to anchor a pitching staff. Greinke is the Chris Bosh of pitchers. He's an all star, but I don't necessarily think of him as a stud.

I already acknowledge I knew Greinke's problems- the fact he may be a 2 year rental, his anxiety issues, his off-year, etc. But he is 1 year removed from being arguably the best pitcher in the league. What value would he have commanded 1 year ago? People would have jumped to get a player of his caliber for Drabek (whos looking like a good no.2 starter at best) and Snider (who is extremely unproven and is all upside). I honestly don't see how we are getting fleeced for a deal like this. Especially after the Marcum trade, this deal makes even more sense now. We're not selling the farm here.

As for Snider likely topping out at 25-30 hr's, I don't think that's "silly talk" at all. I think with the investment we have in Hill and Lind and hopefully, the extension of Bautista, Snider won't be a heavy loss either. I would assume when we do contend, 2-3 years down the line, we'll have enough money in our payroll to make a splash for a hitter regardless. Our staff is already very good as it is, even without Marcum, Greinke would potentially add a true staff ace.

If we get Greinke and Manny, and they both produce. Hill and Lind bounce back, and Bautista doesn't become a one hit wonder, I don't think it's out of the question for us to compete by next year either. Regardless, Greinke fits our plans moving forward. The concern isn't what we're giving up, it's the fact he may be purely a rental, IMO.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

A lot of what if's

[WpgPage]

You can't extend Bautista what are people not getting here? He will be on a one year deal and halfway through the season if he is still the offensive threat he was last year then we can try to work something out, but at that point hes so close to FA and a big paycheck that I can't see him not going to FA. Especially with the lack of power in the 2012 draft class.

[andyo]

A lot of what if's

That's true, but the players we're giving up are more "if's" than Grienke IMO. Grienke's already proven he has dominant stuff in this league (1 year removed). Drabek and Snider have shown nothing for a full season.

[Rapsobsessed7]

@jaysonst Although Greinke now sending signals he'll go to any team, East Coast clubs sound dubious wants to pitch there. One exec: "Absolutely not." 19 minutes ago

and what Texas might offer for him

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/texas-ra ... einke-deal

[rdtx2005]

A lot of what if's

That's true, but the players we're giving up are more "if's" than Grienke IMO. Grienke's already proven he has dominant stuff in this league (1 year removed). Drabek and Snider have shown nothing for a full season.

Snider maybe..

but come on... writing off Drabek already?

[Skin Blues]

Snider is 22. I think it's too early to say he's shown nothing. A guy his age hitting the ball that hard is indeed showing something. This year will say a lot, but he has room to grow and we know he can hit.

[SharoneWright]

The Jays are still in the mix for Royals right-hander Zack Greinke, with a package headed by right-hander Kyle Drabek and outfielder Travis Snider. More prospects would be required as the Royals seem to be testing the upper limits of Greinke’s value with no real deadline. Greinke, a Cy Young winner, is signed for the next two seasons at $27 million

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/ ... r-at-third

Griffin says it like its fact. I don't want that deal at all.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

I wouldn't doubt that KC wants Snider/Drabek and more. If that's the case, then Snider's value is pretty low right now and Greinke's value is still the same - like he won the CY Young last year. I'd pass as well.

[darth_federer]

Toronto Blue Jays

For the Blue Jays, a deal for Greinke may be a little more difficult, at least in the sense that it would sting a little more. Like the Rangers, they do have elite prospects at the top of their system that any club would covet. What they lack is the depth behind those players -- like Kyle Drabek -- that would make it easier to give up talent in a deal. With a talent like Drabek to headline any potential deal, do the Jays have the resources to pull something off? Yes, but that doesn't necessarily make it right for their organization. They do have other desirable arms like righty Henderson Alvarez, who is the owner of a power 92-96 mph fastball and a good, developing breaking ball, and Zach Stewart, who is coming off another strong minor-league season. Both have the type of arms and upside that any club would like to get their hands on.

Two deals Toronto has made for prospects in the past year may have helped their cause, however. Center fielder Anthony Gose, 20, is still raw, but is the owner of one of the most exciting skill-sets in professional baseball. The recently acquired Brett Lawrie, despite some lingering makeup issues, has the offensive upside of a Dan Uggla if he can stick at second base.

In other words, there is no question that Toronto has the pieces to build a deal for Greinke. But, it has a farm system on the rebound and the organization has done an excellent job in that regard. Now may not be the time to take a big bite out of that developing crop of young talent.

Elite prospects? I can get used to that

[Komodo]

What would be the point in trading 2 of our best young players for a guy that's only signed for 2 more years? I don't get it.

[U_Mad]

Toronto Blue Jays

For the Blue Jays, a deal for Greinke may be a little more difficult, at least in the sense that it would sting a little more. Like the Rangers, they do have elite prospects at the top of their system that any club would covet. What they lack is the depth behind those players -- like Kyle Drabek -- that would make it easier to give up talent in a deal. With a talent like Drabek to headline any potential deal, do the Jays have the resources to pull something off? Yes, but that doesn't necessarily make it right for their organization. They do have other desirable arms like righty Henderson Alvarez, who is the owner of a power 92-96 mph fastball and a good, developing breaking ball, and Zach Stewart, who is coming off another strong minor-league season. Both have the type of arms and upside that any club would like to get their hands on.

Two deals Toronto has made for prospects in the past year may have helped their cause, however. Center fielder Anthony Gose, 20, is still raw, but is the owner of one of the most exciting skill-sets in professional baseball. The recently acquired Brett Lawrie, despite some lingering makeup issues, has the offensive upside of a Dan Uggla if he can stick at second base.

In other words, there is no question that Toronto has the pieces to build a deal for Greinke. But, it has a farm system on the rebound and the organization has done an excellent job in that regard. Now may not be the time to take a big bite out of that developing crop of young talent.

Elite prospects? I can get used to that

That excerpt makes me feel all giddy inside especially if most of these players can reach their ceilings

[Michael Bradley]

Toronto Blue Jays

For the Blue Jays, a deal for Greinke may be a little more difficult, at least in the sense that it would sting a little more. Like the Rangers, they do have elite prospects at the top of their system that any club would covet. What they lack is the depth behind those players -- like Kyle Drabek -- that would make it easier to give up talent in a deal. With a talent like Drabek to headline any potential deal, do the Jays have the resources to pull something off? Yes, but that doesn't necessarily make it right for their organization. They do have other desirable arms like righty Henderson Alvarez, who is the owner of a power 92-96 mph fastball and a good, developing breaking ball, and Zach Stewart, who is coming off another strong minor-league season. Both have the type of arms and upside that any club would like to get their hands on.

Two deals Toronto has made for prospects in the past year may have helped their cause, however. Center fielder Anthony Gose, 20, is still raw, but is the owner of one of the most exciting skill-sets in professional baseball. The recently acquired Brett Lawrie, despite some lingering makeup issues, has the offensive upside of a Dan Uggla if he can stick at second base.

In other words, there is no question that Toronto has the pieces to build a deal for Greinke. But, it has a farm system on the rebound and the organization has done an excellent job in that regard. Now may not be the time to take a big bite out of that developing crop of young talent.

Elite prospects? I can get used to that

That excerpt makes me feel all giddy inside especially if most of these players can reach their ceilings

The one thing I like about AA's player evaluation is, even if those guys don't pan out, they still have value given their age and perceived upside. It is not like trying to sell Russ Adams and Dave Purcey as top prospects. The Jays now have talent in the minors that will actually attract other GM's when making trades, which is great.

[aj11]

If the Jay's trade both Snider and Drabek for Greinke I will have lost all my faith in Anthopolous. Snider and Drabek are both elite level prospects. Compare this deal with the Halladay deal who is way better than Greinke, who has only had one tremendous year with an ERA below 3. I don't understand why people are down on Snider. If you look at how at the high schoolers drafted the only high schooler that has done better than him or is more highly touted is Clayton Kershaw and Kyle Drabek. This is a guy that tore up the minors at age 20, with much better stats than Lawrie by the way, and has either been injured or not given enough playing time in the majors. The guy is still only 22 and hit 14 homeruns in 298 AB which is like half a season.

I'm not so worried about Greinke's 2010 season. It must be hard for pitchers on a perennial loser to be consistently good from season to season. Jays behind Roy weren't a great team, but he often had decent run support. We just never knew from year to year whether the starters or the bullpen or the batters would be dominant. Only in 2010 did we start to put it together.

All this to say, Greinke may be excited to have Bombtista & Co. (less Snider) supporting him, and his performance will improve accordingly. He's apparently waived his "no trade to Toronto" clause.

The difference between Roy and Greinke is that Roy still managed to put up sub 3 ERAs while leading the in IP in the toughest division in baseball with an average team behind him. Greinke on the other hand has a averaged a 3.5 ERA in one of the softest divisions in the AL.

[s e n s i]

as per rosenthal twitter there was supposedly a 3-team (Marlins, Rangers, Royals) deal being discussed, with the Marlins landing Greinke. Unsure of the other pieces involved.

[torontoaces04]

I'm going on the record as being opposed entirely of this deal. Snider is 22!! Drabek was phenominal last year.

What is the hurry Jays fans?? Lets wait this thing out. rebuild properly, and contend for years to come. Its about time a team in this city facilitated a proper rebuild!