[Camelo Thread]**UPDATE MELO PUSHING FOR KNICKS**- Part 4

[step]

Eventhough I am a Bulls fan, I would love to see you land Melo. It would be great to have both the Knicks and the Bulls as super competitive teams (heck you can even argue the case now).

[NBA Fan 1234]

Thanks for the replies guys...I have free time until January so I'm trying to learn a little more about the CBA.

[bklynstoops]

I'm just glad Donnie's in charge. He's the guy that got us to the point where a "superstar" is begging to be traded here. Fk Denver and all that posturing and all that nonsense about how we didn't have pieces anyone wants--all those useless pieces Walsh put together just beat your broke team on their way to 8 in a row. I'd be disappointed if Walsh was as impulsive and star struck as realgm, but I'm rolling with wherever he wants to go with this.

[Iron Mantis]

signals sent by the Nuggets were that the Knicks didn't have an enticing trade piece.

Wilson Chandler said he isn't at all offended: "No. I don't want to go to Denver, so no."

[kane2021]

Thanks for the replies guys...I have free time until January so I'm trying to learn a little more about the CBA.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

This is a solid link here to get answers.


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http://www.nbpa.org/cba/2005[/url]

This is the players associations site. This is the actual agreement.

If you google, you will find a few solid sites for player contracts.

Im not giving up anymore of my "sources". lol.

[boiler12]

I think anyone that is truly high on this team after 25 games, and seriously thinks we have some kind core unit, and seriously thinks we're somehow legit moving forward, is delusional. We have some decent players like Fields, Gallo, Chandler, that are border-line starters (most likely bench players) on legit playoff teams. We're beating teams that suck, that's a fact. We're kind of like the Bobcats from last year, first-round playoff team that still kind of sucks when you look at the whole picture. At this exact moment and time in the season, the Knicks are the very definition of bottom-feeders.

That's just about where we're supposed to be though, and that's what everyone here should understand. Don't for a second misinterpret the current situation for more than what it is.


MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
41.1 .479 .302 .809 5.7 5.6 1.7 .4 30.1
40.8 .457 .349 .883 5.3 5.5 1.7 .9 30.2

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MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
38.3 .453 .364 .826 5.8 4.1 1.8 .6 27.2
42.3 .464 .316 .877 8.5 3.2 2.0 .5 30.7


Those are some playoff stats from the past few years. Guess which one is Kobe Bryant,
and which one is Carmelo Anthony.

[GotItNow]

@CSheridanESPN To those asking why make any offer when NY can get Melo as free agent, I reply: If u can get him thru 2015, u do it. Lockout exits as factor about an hour ago

@CSheridanESPN To my tweeps, I emphasize I said the Knicks' LAST best offer. Right now, I don't think they've put best offer on table. Knicks love Fields. about an hour ago

@CSheridanESPN Eventually it turns into a matter of what is Knicks final best offer for Melo. IMO, it is Gallinari, Curry, Fields and pick via A.Randolph. about 2 hours ago

Fat **** chance we give up Gallo, Fields and AR for Melo. Sheridan is an idiot.

[towelie]

Not sure if this has been discussed...but if the Knicks do NOT trade Chandler to get Melo during the season (use other players instead, we can (re)sign him to the MLE if we are over the cap, correct?

(if we trade now using players other than wilson)

We wont even need to use the MLE. We will have our bird rights. We can resign wilson and use the MLE on someone else.

A great target that might be had for the MLE is Dalembert. Not sure which teams will have cap space in 2011, but Sacramento surely won't look to resign him, so he may have to settle for the MLE. He'd be a good fit at center if we get Melo.

[snyknick86]

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Knicks fans don't have to convince Anthony
December 12, 2010 8:36 PM By ALAN HAHN alan.hahn@newsday.com


This wasn't The LeBron Experience. This wasn't a desperate crowd begging for a savior, wearing customized jerseys and cheering every move made by a superstar who has come to visit.

The reception Carmelo Anthony received from a raucous Garden crowd during the Knicks' 129-125 win over the Nuggets Sunday, the team's eighth straight win and 13th in their last 14, was more of a simple invitation:

Hey, why don't you come join this party we're having here? We're really happy with our one star, Amar'e Stoudemire, but we'd sure love to have you, too.

With a grin he can't hide, it's pretty obvious Carmelo doesn't need much convincing. "They're really rolling right now," Anthony said of the red-hot Knicks (16-9).

Unlike the two-year LeBronathon, which proved to be fruitless when he flirted with Knicks fans but bypassed New York to take his talents to South Beach, this ongoing Melopalooza seems to be heading to a much different result. It's not a matter of if, but when.

According to reports last night on ESPN.com and CBSSports.com, Anthony might have expedited things by informing the Nuggets he will sign an extension only in a trade to the Knicks. Asked before the game if he would be accommodating if Anthony made a request to be sent to a specific team, Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri said, "That's part of my discussions with Melo that I will not discuss publicly."

Ujiri disclosed he did meet with Knicks officials this weekend. "Obviously, in our business, I have to," he said.

Earlier in this process, when word started to leak from Anthony's camp that he was in a New York State of Mind, the signals sent by the Nuggets were that the Knicks didn't have an enticing trade piece.

Wilson Chandler, who had 27 points in what should have been an eye-opening performance for Denver, said he isn't at all offended: "No. I don't want to go to Denver, so no."

If the Knicks trade for Anthony, someone has to go. Danilo Gallinari, who had a strong two-way game - scoring 16 points and drawing a key offensive foul on Anthony late - is more likely a key piece. But with Anthony somewhat in control of his destination, it does help the Knicks for him to use that leverage to specifically request New York.

The Nuggets would be forced to work out a deal with the Knicks, who wouldn't have to give up as much as they would if there were competition.

Still, without a no-trade clause, Denver could create a competitive market by offering Anthony to a contender that would take him in a mercenary role to make a championship run, then either convince him to sign an extension after the season or move him in a sign-and-trade in the offseason.

Ujiri, who in his first season as GM went quickly from christening to crucible, sat courtside before the game and acknowledged that he can't allow to happen to his franchise what happened to the Cavaliers, who went through last season with blinders on, foolishly gambling that LeBron eventually would re-sign.

"Yes, there's always something you can learn from there, but I'm in my own situation here," the 39-year-old Ujiri said. "I have to deal with my own situation, but yes, there's plenty to learn."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnist ... -1.2537251

[Deeeez Knicks]

I'd rather lose Gallo.

Chandler has been clearly better this year, is more versatile and plays bigger.

We are going to have to pay him, but if we get Melo we won't get under the cap for awhile anyway so it doesnt matter much.

We will miss Gallo's shooting, but Chandler's 3 and jumper are much improved.

[drp07644]

Can you imagine how hyped up the fan base is gonna be if we beat boston then trade for melo?

if we beat boston, donnie can't trade anyone who makes a significant contribution to this team. that's the best team in the east and maybe in the NBA with how the lakers look. wednesday is gonna tell us ALOT.

[GotItNow]

All these media clowns on twitter are still trying to keep NJ in it.

Pathetic really.

At 6-18 there is zero chance the Nets are in it. Absolutely zero. A 6-18 team that then has to give talent and picks? Yeah, Melo will love that. That's like sticking his dick in mashed potatoes why would he do that when he can have Layla.

[knicks33and49]

signals sent by the Nuggets were that the Knicks didn't have an enticing trade piece.

Wilson Chandler said he isn't at all offended: "No. I don't want to go to Denver, so no."

Neither Chandler nor Gallo want to go to denver, both guys love being knicks and bleed orange and blue.

[Pedro Pistolas]

I think anyone that is truly high on this team after 25 games, and seriously thinks we have some kind core unit, and seriously thinks we're somehow legit moving forward, is delusional. We have some decent players like Fields, Gallo, Chandler, that are border-line starters (most likely bench players) on legit playoff teams. We're beating teams that suck, that's a fact. We're kind of like the Bobcats from last year, first-round playoff team that still kind of sucks when you look at the whole picture. At this exact moment and time in the season, the Knicks are the very definition of bottom-feeders.

That's just about where we're supposed to be though, and that's what everyone here should understand. Don't for a second misinterpret the current situation for more than what it is.


MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
41.1 .479 .302 .809 5.7 5.6 1.7 .4 30.1
40.8 .457 .349 .883 5.3 5.5 1.7 .9 30.2

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MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
38.3 .453 .364 .826 5.8 4.1 1.8 .6 27.2
42.3 .464 .316 .877 8.5 3.2 2.0 .5 30.7


Those are some playoff stats from the past few years. Guess which one is Kobe Bryant,
and which one is Carmelo Anthony.

who in the hell are you?

[Falstaffxx]

Eventhough I am a Bulls fan, I would love to see you land Melo. It would be great to have both the Knicks and the Bulls as super competitive teams (heck you can even argue the case now).

You say that as if the Bulls currently have a better record than the Knicks.

[DishAndSwish]

It pisses me off when D'Antoni says things like "I see no difference between 37-38 minutes and 33-34". Absolutely ridiculous. The 37th and 38th minute will not be the same as the first and second.

I kind of balked at that statement too. If this were the playoffs, a short rotation obviously makes sense -- but a season is a marathon, and you have a roster of 15 players to help you get through the grind for a reason. Saying thhe extra 3 minutes per game (which over the course of 82 games is 246 minutes (about 4 hours)) is negligible is like saying the last 3 miles of a 26 mile marathon is negligible. Every runner knows that eventually you hit "the wall."

That being said, I was fine with the shorter rotation today because it was a close game and the guys have a few days off this week. But, I couldn't understand why when Gallo got into foul trouble, Dantoni called up Walker? When we were clearly getting beaten up inside and Amare was having a hard time containing Nene? I was really scratching my head with that one. It was a perfect situation for either Moz or AR to get in the game.

[Pedro Pistolas]

Can you imagine how hyped up the fan base is gonna be if we beat boston then trade for melo?

if we beat boston, donnie can't trade anyone who makes a significant contribution to this team. that's the best team in the east and maybe in the NBA with how the lakers look. wednesday is gonna tell us ALOT.

Not really because its just 1 game..lets say we beat boston and then go on a long losing streak what would people be saying then..

[Deeeez Knicks]

If we can get Melo for 40cents to his dollar then you do it. I understand the logic of the argument and agree with a lot of the points, but if you replace Gallo or Chandler with Melo in the starting lineup we are a better team.

We def need a stud defensive big man and of course a backup pg. But I am not sure where or even if we will be able to get that big.

Melo might not be the answer to becoming a championship team, but I think he def gets us closer...

This situation reminds me a little of the Bulls situation a little while ago. They were reluctant to give up young players for KG or Amare. Then had to use there cap space and wasted it on Ben Wallace. They missed the boat. We have a tremendous opportunity to get a top 10 player for dirt cheap. I think we have to take advantage of it.

If we could somehow follow up getting Melo with getting Camby....I think that could get us there.

Camby
Amare
Melo
Fields
Felton

But if we pass on Melo, what do we do with our cap space? Gasol? He would be nice, but he's restricted. Doubt the Grizz's let him go unless we severly overpay him and trade assests. He probably actually would cost more then Melo.

After him, not sure there' s anyone worth even close to Melo. We have to maximize our assets

[boiler12]

I think anyone that is truly high on this team after 25 games, and seriously thinks we have some kind core unit, and seriously thinks we're somehow legit moving forward, is delusional. We have some decent players like Fields, Gallo, Chandler, that are border-line starters (most likely bench players) on legit playoff teams. We're beating teams that suck, that's a fact. We're kind of like the Bobcats from last year, first-round playoff team that still kind of sucks when you look at the whole picture. At this exact moment and time in the season, the Knicks are the very definition of bottom-feeders.

That's just about where we're supposed to be though, and that's what everyone here should understand. Don't for a second misinterpret the current situation for more than what it is.


MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
41.1 .479 .302 .809 5.7 5.6 1.7 .4 30.1
40.8 .457 .349 .883 5.3 5.5 1.7 .9 30.2

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MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
38.3 .453 .364 .826 5.8 4.1 1.8 .6 27.2
42.3 .464 .316 .877 8.5 3.2 2.0 .5 30.7


Those are some playoff stats from the past few years. Guess which one is Kobe Bryant,
and which one is Carmelo Anthony.

who in the hell are you?

What do you mean? You don't think that I care that this is by your name do you: "Posts: 4986". You don't, do you? Because, let me tell you, nobody on earth cares ...

[andrenym00]

No way that I would trade fields!