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Is Hedo's versatility needed or not? (Update on pg. 4)

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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#41 » by Frank Lee » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:13 pm

RocPHX wrote:I want to go out on a limb and say its not and will not be needed at all. I have no idea why we have him.

lilfishi22 wrote:Sure any team can use a guy who can hit big shots. But for $10m season and for a guy who'll give it all back on the other end on most nights, I see him as an unnecessary luxury.


You guys need to stand back and re-look this acquisition.

Hedu is here because Barbasosa was crying for a trade. Crying visibly and soon to be cancer-ously, he skipped the exit interviews with the press and sulkingly ducked out the back door.

Beloved Barbs and his 7 mill per yr X 2 deal.

One dimensional chucking Barbs was offered up on the market.

One taker. Only one organization willing to absorb the Brazilian Blurb and his blinders. Only one familiar enough with his fragile ego to agree to coddle him.

In return, they unloaded their disgruntling savior.

Talent wise, we won the deal.... contract wise, we lost in most eyes, but for 3 million bucks more a year, over the next two yrs (thats 6 mill for some of you) we have TGlu rather than Barbo.

If you are going to pizznmoan about TGlu... at least think about how useless Barbososo would be if he were still here. He'd get ZERO minutes at PG.... and with Duds and JRich, minimal appearances at SG. 7 million untrade-able wasted dollars rotting on our bench for the next 2 yrs. One bad apple.

TGlu at 10per >>>> Barbososa @ 7per. This move was made to make us better now. Hedu is not to blame for our PF deficiencies.
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#42 » by airReacker » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:31 pm

Nice sum, Lee. I agree Turk - Barb swap was the right step for PHX. Now, Another step should be taken by FO and Gentry. It is to take Toronto's dust over him and let him shine again as Point Forward, then trade him. He is not a PF and typical SF either. Continuing to misuse him is just serving to drop his value. He will continue to be hate magnet in PHX system while franchise face Nash and fan favorite Dragic are handling the ball; plus while lots of wings are waiting their minutes at the bench. So, Hedo must go unless if there is something in FO mind about post Hill-Nash era ,which seems ugly for now.

So, Let him give you his excels in 25-30 min per game then TRADE him and take nice pieces in return. (It seems some fans in this board can kill somebody for JThomson :D )

1st unit Nash/JChil/Hill/Warrick/Lopez
2nd unit Dragic/JRich/Hedo/Frye/Barron
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#43 » by swe_suns » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:31 pm

airReacker wrote:Nice sum, Lee. I agree Turk - Barb swap was the right step for PHX. Now, Another step should be taken by FO and Gentry. It is to take Toronto's dust over him and let him shine again as Point Forward, then trade him. He is not a PF and typical SF either. Continuing to misuse him is just serving to drop his value. He will continue to be hate magnet in PHX system while franchise face Nash and fan favorite Dragic are handling the ball; plus while lots of wings are waiting their minutes at the bench. So, Hedo must go unless if there is something in FO mind about post Hill-Nash era ,which seems ugly for now.

So, Let him give you his excels in 25-30 min per game then TRADE him and take nice pieces in return. (It seems some fans in this board can kill somebody for JThomson :D )

1st unit Nash/JChil/Hill/Warrick/Lopez
2nd unit Dragic/JRich/Hedo/Frye/Barron


lol jchill starting over jrich, plz tell me that was a typo
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#44 » by airReacker » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:09 pm

swe_suns wrote:
airReacker wrote:Nice sum, Lee. I agree Turk - Barb swap was the right step for PHX. Now, Another step should be taken by FO and Gentry. It is to take Toronto's dust over him and let him shine again as Point Forward, then trade him. He is not a PF and typical SF either. Continuing to misuse him is just serving to drop his value. He will continue to be hate magnet in PHX system while franchise face Nash and fan favorite Dragic are handling the ball; plus while lots of wings are waiting their minutes at the bench. So, Hedo must go unless if there is something in FO mind about post Hill-Nash era ,which seems ugly for now.

So, Let him give you his excels in 25-30 min per game then TRADE him and take nice pieces in return. (It seems some fans in this board can kill somebody for JThomson :D )

1st unit Nash/JChil/Hill/Warrick/Lopez
2nd unit Dragic/JRich/Hedo/Frye/Barron


lol jchill starting over jrich, plz tell me that was a typo


First, those line ups were proposed for short term till Hedo get treaded and have nothing against JRich. Second, by this way 1st unit can have benefits of JChill's bounds and hustle while JRich can do his same job, create space along with Frye while Barron collects offensive bounds. At current situation both Goran and Hedo are struggling cuz opponents are collapsing around the rim and that makes them looks lost there. its no secret 2nd unit need more long range shooter. Its not happening with Just Dudley. Injecting JChill (or Dudley if there is need of space) to 1st unit instead of JRich would give a bit more boost on defense as well.
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#45 » by JasonDaPsycho » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:07 pm

Talent wise, whether if Hedo is making us better is still a point to argue, but his contract? Basically what our FO did was underestimate Toronto's desperation to get rid of Hedo is way greater than our desperation to get rid of Barbosa. Why aren't we asking for a pick in return? That's my biggest complaint.
Hell we can just sit Barbosa for 2 years and play Earl Clark. See how things go.
Hedo is not porn to play PF, I understand that. And I'm not blaming him for sucking at playing PF (though I'm saying he was not working hard enough). I'm just blaming our FO.
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#46 » by JohnVancouver » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:22 pm

Trade JRich and insert Hedo at SG - he would be a nightmare for other teams, and Nash could rest on some possessions, and it would give us two deadly 3-pt shooters in the backcourt . No defense, but what the hell .....
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#47 » by Frank Lee » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:51 pm

JasonDaPsycho wrote:Why aren't we asking for a pick in return? That's my biggest complaint.


Who knows ? .... may be we did... and who cares at this point ?
Come to terms with this. There are for worse reasons to be pissed at the FO than not getting a second rounder for taking Hedu. Thats all it would have been. (read Simmon's article in SSOL thread)

Fact is we are better with Hedu than with Barbo and Hedu's acquisition had little to no bearing on filling out the rest of the roster. Pity we are still a work in progress.

Lets see what happens. How desperate is the FO to make the play offs ?
We keep floundering, the writing will be on the wall... Nash will pull up lame with a simple nagging injury, Hill will be dealt to a contender, and we will be in full lotto mode.
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#48 » by JasonDaPsycho » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:35 am

The Suns right now seems like a team that's barely making into the playoffs and not make a run at anything. Hopefully the luck of journeymen would continue from last year.
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Post#49 » by Reverse_Angle » Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:19 am

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JasonDaPsycho wrote:Why aren't we asking for a pick in return? That's my biggest complaint.


Who knows ? .... may be we did... and who cares at this point ?
Come to terms with this. There are for worse reasons to be pissed at the FO than not getting a second rounder for taking Hedu. Thats all it would have been. (read Simmon's article in SSOL thread)

Fact is we are better with Hedu than with Barbo and Hedu's acquisition had little to no bearing on filling out the rest of the roster. Pity we are still a work in progress.

Lets see what happens. How desperate is the FO to make the play offs ?
We keep floundering, the writing will be on the wall... Nash will pull up lame with a simple nagging injury, Hill will be dealt to a contender, and we will be in full lotto mode.


Voice of reason. Hedo, by far, is not a problem for this team. He had accepted the leadership of Nash, he is reported to have a great attitude and he is trying to find his niche in this team.

As far as I am concerned, he is acting worthy of the uniform.

There is no reason for him not getting some fan support and love. Forget about Toronto days as we don't know what really happened. Even if we did, he is not acting like the same guy. Hill is not liked in Orlando, but can you say anything bad about him as far as the attitude goes? It is not any different than Hedo's situation.

I remember reading that Hedo wanted to play for Phoenix in the midst of the last season somewhere in these forums. Has anyone read that?
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Re: Is Hedo's versatility needed either for short or long term? 

Post#50 » by BurningHeart » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:50 am

We were going to sign him a few years ago if I'm not mistaken. I think before he went to Orlando.
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Post#51 » by Reverse_Angle » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:40 am

BurningHeart wrote:We were going to sign him a few years ago if I'm not mistaken. I think before he went to Orlando.


I think what I was talking about happened like 6 months ago when he was playing in Toronto.

Nevermind, found it. Really interesting stuff...It makes me thing his trade was in works months ago, so was Babby coming to Phoenix.

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Post#52 » by Reverse_Angle » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:42 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:We were going to sign him a few years ago if I'm not mistaken. I think before he went to Orlando.


I think what I was talking about happened like 6 months ago when he was playing in Toronto.

Nevermind, found it. Really interesting stuff...It makes me thing his trade was in works months ago, so was Babby coming to Phoenix.

viewtopic.php?t=1003982


Edit: There were pics to prove "a" conversation the first time I read it. But it appeared soooo random at the time and I didn't care about it much. Why Phoenix? Right? But here we are...
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