[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[ThePrez86]

I disagree. I think adding Melo to this roster can make us a legitimate contender this year, as long as get to keep Felton, Amare, and at least two of Chandler/Gallo/Fields. I suspect Donnie may have other deals in the works to balance out the roster a bit more, if he were able to pull off a Melo trade. The guy always seems to be thinking two steps ahead.

So adding Melo to the Knicks puts them over-the-top to beat the Heat, Celtics, and Lakers in the playoffs this year? Really?

I'm not saying they would, i'd lean on the side of saying we wouldn't, but e damn sure would have a chance. It's possible. We'd have a solid nucleus and 2 superstars.

I remember the year My Giants won the SB, no1 would have expected us to with N.E., G.B., Dallas etc. out there, but the way I viewed it is we have a chance, even though the other teams were better we had a chance b/c of our pass rush,running game, and Plax was a mismatch..... Now I dont like using nfl/nba comparisons b/c it's a 7game series, but I know you get what I'm saying Prez, we'd def would have a chance of taking down anybody, and The confidence Amare and Melo would bring to the Court is a positive already.

If the Earth were to explode this summer, I'd say, yeah, let's take a chance and go for it! But there are other seasons to be played after this one and it's FAAAAAAAAAR better for the Knicks long-term future to have some patience. After 10 years of short-sighted nonsensical moves that ended up making things worse, I'm quite content waiting another 8 months to make sure this rebuild is done right.

[Siem]

Just because we play in a fast paced offense and put up a lot of points doesn't mean we have an offense that doesn't need more fire power, or that we have a reliable offense that can go up against any team in the league, or that we only need to focus on defense now - which would be the only reasons we wouldn't need Melo. . Amar'e has been putting up ridiculous offensive numbers, record breaking, and we are just getting by against mediocre teams, and it's not simply because of our D. . now, I love the way we're playing, but lets be realistic, Stat can only carry us so far against good teams on the offensive side and down the stretch of games - adding Melo gives you another Stat type player.

We'd have two clutch 'go to' guys down the stretch . . a guy to give the ball to to win the game for us when Amare is in foul trouble / out / having an off night / not scoring 30 pts . .

It's a no brainer to get this guy on our team - the question is what we are willing to part with. . imo, there is no one other than Amare and Felton that is untouchable for Melo - I think Donnie will act with the same mindset. . but if there is an order for who we want to keep, i'd say Fields would def be the next player on that list. . then, personally speaking, Chandler followed by Gallo. .

If we can get Amare Melo Felton and Fields on the same team that be some good ****. . keeping Chandler around would also make me real happy.

But bottom line, we've seen what Stat has done - Melo brings us another player of his caliber. And I think we all can agree that wouldn't be a bad thing . . and you have to think, like Amare, Melos numbers too would go up playing in this system. . . two superstars, plus felton playing in this high octane offense, we'd be blowing teams out left and right, not squeaking by.

+1 summed it up Perfectly

[GotItNow]

IDK why people think Gallo or Chandler could start alongside Melo and Amare long term.

Best case is whoever is left of the two becomes 6th man.

Thing is Chandler is gonna get paid this season while Gallo will next season. Is it worth tying up good money in these guys?

Also who does Denver actually want? Karl and Ujiri dont seem to like Gallo that much. Meanwhile Chandler is going to be a RFA. Now I know we have leverage and best case is to not give up any of the 2, but in all likelihood one of them is probably going sooner or later.

In any case I dont like this small ball crap so that eliminates Chandler or Gallo from starting unless we play Melo at SG which, like Amare at C, doesnt seem like a good long term thing.

My plan would be to trade Chandler, Randolph or pick, Bookie, and Curry. We keep Gallo for another year to see how he pans out, in addition to Fields. I think Gallo and Fields would be great compliments with their ability to play their role within the team concept. Gallo becomes 6th man for the time being. Chandler and Randolph might have more individual talent, but Im not sure where they fit with Melo and Amare. Im also not ready to give Chandler big money just yet, and feel his game will get hurt the most by Melo arriving. Gallo scores 2 less ppg on 4 less shots, so I think he would be able to defer a little better in addition to his more willing passing.

Obviously my preference would be to not trade Chandler or Gallo at all. We could always use them to parlay for a defensive center down the line.

If we decide to go after Paul/Deron, both Gallo and Chandler are in the way by the time they're available. If we decide Felton is good enough and want to look elsewewhere for help Chandler's upcoming contract is a big problem...this year. Keep Gallo, ship Chandler. we're more flexible that way. Felton's looking pretty damn good.

[Hitman33]

But that's not Melo's fault...the guy put up very impressive numbers, but his supporting cast was pretty lacking and injury plagued too if I'm not mistaken. I kinda relate it to KG's T'wolves, those teams making the playoffs alone was a miracle.

Ok, so you love Carmelo Anthony and blame his constantly losing in the first round of the playoffs on everybody on the team but him.

The Nuggets are 14 - 9 this year and Carmelo Anthony is shooting 42% from the field and 28% from three.

Maybe if he played a little better his team would be better.

[DishAndSwish]

I disagree. I think adding Melo to this roster can make us a legitimate contender this year, as long as get to keep Felton, Amare, and at least two of Chandler/Gallo/Fields. I suspect Donnie may have other deals in the works to balance out the roster a bit more, if he were able to pull off a Melo trade. The guy always seems to be thinking two steps ahead.

So adding Melo to the Knicks puts them over-the-top to beat the Heat, Celtics, and Lakers in the playoffs this year? Really?

Not necessarily. But we have a much better fighting chance. Melo and Amare would destroy the Heat's front court. The Lakers are looking beatable this year. We were competitive in Boston early this year when the Knicks were still trying to find their groove. Now, I'm not saying the team with Melo would be better than those teams -- but there's no question they'd have a fighting chance. If history has taught us anything, a solid team clicking on all cylinders can make a title run, regardless of how good the competition is (1999 Knicks are a prime example of this).

Let me flip the question back at you. Let's say we forget about Melo and through some magical longshot, sign Marc Gasol, who many view as the most readily obtainable athletic center who can score and defend. Do you really think a roster of Felton/Fields/Gallo/Amare/Gasol would put the Knicks over the top to beat the Heat, Celtics and Lakers? Really?

[FieldsMedal]

some of you guys really kill me. why are you indulging trade scenarios where the knicks give up so much value for a player who is going to be a free agent in less than 60 games and has no intention of signing elsewhere? we don't owe denver anything.

no to chandler-- he's just taken a quantum leap in shooting and recognizing what the defense is giving him
no to gallo-- he spaces the floor and doesn't need touches to have a huge positive effect on the team
no to fields-- no way no how
no to mozgov-- he needs time and will come into his own
no to turiaf-- heart, maturity and leadership and humor, clutch fouler, and every locker room needs a guy like him

curry, mason, and randolph and let them find a fricking pick for randolph.

Because Anthony can't be signed and Chandler resigned next offseason.

Because even when the KNicks renounce Chandler (and Azubuike and Rautins, and say 'thanks and good luck to Williams') they STILL have to find about $2.5m more million to trade away.

Randolph, Turiaf, Douglas, Walker, the 2011 first rounder... we need to find $2.5 outta one of them or some combo of the above. And THAT's assuming a $2m increase in the cap in a still crappy economy.

Because then the Knicks can't use the nearly $6m MLE or the over $2m LLE.

You're correct, you don't owe Denver anything, but you do owe the salary cap.

[GotItNow]

The only trade i would do with them is AR,Gallo, and a 1st round pick..adding more to the trade dosent help us it makes us worse

So you just want to give up everyone but Fields, gotcha. Who do you think fetches us a first rounder besides Chandler or do you think a rebuilding team will wait for our 2014 pick?

[teamny1]

But that's not Melo's fault...the guy put up very impressive numbers, but his supporting cast was pretty lacking and injury plagued too if I'm not mistaken. I kinda relate it to KG's T'wolves, those teams making the playoffs alone was a miracle.

Ok, so you love Carmelo Anthony and blame his constantly losing in the first round of the playoffs on everybody on the team but him.

The Nuggets are 14 - 9 this year and Carmelo Anthony is shooting 42% from the field and 28% from three.

Maybe if he played a little better his team would be better.

Carmelo went to the Western Conference Finals just two years ago against the Lakers with the Nuggets. They were playing very well last year too till Karl had his health problems. Are you arguing that Melo doesn't make a team better?

[dk7th]

aren't they going into rebuild mode?

if yes then 11.3 million, mason, and randolph are competitive offers. bottom line even if he gets traded he still goes at the end of the season as a free agent. so, again, why would walsh feel compelled to give up any value at all?

let the denver gm hang up o walsh. anthony has made his intentions clear regardless.

Uhh no, that isn't a competitive offer at all. The fact that you're including Mason as if he has any value whatsoever is laughable.

If you've followed any other thread on Carmelo, you'd also realize that there are costs to signing Melo as a free agent -- namely Chandler, Turiaf, Azubuike, and use of our MLE and LLE. By trading for Melo, we can resign or keep those players (if they weren't included in the trade), and make use of the MLE to fill more needs.

if you are right then it won't be the end of the world if we sign him as a free agent since he takes over chandler's role on the team skills-wise and makes gallinari come off the bench. i'd be cool with that to be honest. gallinari as a more integral part of a bench offense would be great for the knicks. but losing turiaf would hurt. so far as the mle and lle i have little interest in those potentialities at this juncture.

[teamny1]

The only trade i would do with them is AR,Gallo, and a 1st round pick..adding more to the trade dosent help us it makes us worse

So you just want to give up everyone but Fields, gotcha. Who do you think fetches us a first rounder besides Chandler or do you think a rebuilding team will wait for our 2014 pick?

Use Dolan money to buy a 1st round pick.

[teamny1]

aren't they going into rebuild mode?

if yes then 11.3 million, mason, and randolph are competitive offers. bottom line even if he gets traded he still goes at the end of the season as a free agent. so, again, why would walsh feel compelled to give up any value at all?

let the denver gm hang up o walsh. anthony has made his intentions clear regardless.

Uhh no, that isn't a competitive offer at all. The fact that you're including Mason as if he has any value whatsoever is laughable.

If you've followed any other thread on Carmelo, you'd also realize that there are costs to signing Melo as a free agent -- namely Chandler, Turiaf, Azubuike, and use of our MLE and LLE. By trading for Melo, we can resign or keep those players (if they weren't included in the trade), and make use of the MLE to fill more needs.

if you are right then it won't be the end of the world if we sign him as a free agent since he takes over chandler's role on the team skills-wise and makes gallinari come off the bench. i'd be cool with that to be honest. gallinari as a more integral part of a bench offense would be great for the knicks. but losing turiaf would hurt. so far as the mle and lle i have little interest in those potentialities at this juncture.

With the MLE we can get a decent enough center to just rebound and defend the paint. To say that you have little interest is very very shortsighted in the possibility of having that option.

[johnnywishbone]

would you rather have Melo getting Chandler's shots and touches or have Chandler keep them?

Who said anything about Chandler? btw. he is a four Melo is a three.

So your question should really be:

would you rather have Melo getting Gallo's shots and touches or have Gallo keep them?

lol what?

Chandler is a 4?

to clarify, chandler has played 90% of his career at the three.

and before turiaf got hurt, he was having games where he put up 15, 17, 20 shots a game at SF.

Maybe you should check our starting line up. And maybe you should listen to Mike D'Antoni who called him a 4.

[ThePrez86]

I disagree. I think adding Melo to this roster can make us a legitimate contender this year, as long as get to keep Felton, Amare, and at least two of Chandler/Gallo/Fields. I suspect Donnie may have other deals in the works to balance out the roster a bit more, if he were able to pull off a Melo trade. The guy always seems to be thinking two steps ahead.

So adding Melo to the Knicks puts them over-the-top to beat the Heat, Celtics, and Lakers in the playoffs this year? Really?

Not necessarily. But we have a much better fighting chance. Melo and Amare would destroy the Heat's front court. The Lakers are looking beatable this year. We were competitive in Boston early this year when the Knicks were still trying to find their groove. Now, I'm not saying the team with Melo would be better than those teams -- but there's no question they'd have a fighting chance. If history has taught us anything, a solid team clicking on all cylinders can make a title run, regardless of how good the competition is (1999 Knicks are a prime example of this).

Let me flip the question back at you. Let's say we forget about Melo and through some magical longshot, sign Marc Gasol, who many view as the most readily obtainable athletic center who can score and defend. Do you really think a roster of Felton/Fields/Gallo/Amare/Gasol would put the Knicks over the top to beat the Heat, Celtics and Lakers? Really?

Good question. I don't necessarily think even acquiring a defensive-minded center would put the Knicks over the top. I'm not sure if ANYTHING the Knicks could do would put them over the top to beat a team like the Heat if they play up to potential. But I'd rather save assets on a player that could be acquired over the summer if he's still wanted. Other players can surface. Players that might seem out of reach now might suddenly become available. Maybe Gallo, Chandler, and Fields continue to improv next year. I don't know. All I'm saying is this team is not winning a championship this season with or without Melo so there is no need to rush this.

Patience, patience, patience. We finally got out of eight years of quick-draw, short-sighted moves because we had a bunch of GMs (and an owner) that couldn't hold their collective loads). Donnie has brought some level of patience. Can we please continue to exercise it and continue this rebuild in a considered, thoughtful manner? This isn't a one day process.

[Jose7]

I disagree. I think adding Melo to this roster can make us a legitimate contender this year, as long as get to keep Felton, Amare, and at least two of Chandler/Gallo/Fields. I suspect Donnie may have other deals in the works to balance out the roster a bit more, if he were able to pull off a Melo trade. The guy always seems to be thinking two steps ahead.

So adding Melo to the Knicks puts them over-the-top to beat the Heat, Celtics, and Lakers in the playoffs this year? Really?

Don't think people realize how great Carmelo is. He is a GREAT player. When he goes up against Kobe, LeBron, etc he is usually the one to come out on top of those matchups all the time, not to mention he's probably the most clutch scorer in the game. Add Melo to Amar'e and Ray.. that is a tremendous, IN PRIME Big 3. And get Melo running the 4 at times in this system.. Are you kidding me?

I really hope D'Antoni is pushing for this behind closed doors. I don't think people are realizing how great of a player Melo really is.

[FieldsMedal]

if you are right then it won't be the end of the world if we sign him as a free agent since he takes over chandler's role on the team skills-wise and makes gallinari come off the bench. i'd be cool with that to be honest. gallinari as a more integral part of a bench offense would be great for the knicks

A day ago you argued Gallinari was a better fit for the Knicks offense than Anthony.

Why do you have the Knicks spending $18m, and making him the starter over the guy you said was a better fit for their offense?

What sense does that make?

I won't even go into your claim that the Knicks WILL begin to lose if Stoudemire doesn't start averaging 4 assists a game.

[ThePrez86]

I disagree. I think adding Melo to this roster can make us a legitimate contender this year, as long as get to keep Felton, Amare, and at least two of Chandler/Gallo/Fields. I suspect Donnie may have other deals in the works to balance out the roster a bit more, if he were able to pull off a Melo trade. The guy always seems to be thinking two steps ahead.

So adding Melo to the Knicks puts them over-the-top to beat the Heat, Celtics, and Lakers in the playoffs this year? Really?

Don't think people realize how great Carmelo is. He is a GREAT player. When he goes up against Kobe, LeBron, etc he is usually the one to come out on top of those matchups all the time, not to mention he's probably the most clutch scorer in the game. Add Melo to Amar'e and Ray.. that is a tremendous, IN PRIME Big 3. And get Melo running the 4 at times in this system.. Are you kidding me?

I really hope D'Antoni is pushing for this behind closed doors. I don't think people are realizing how great of a player Melo really is.

Has anybody denied that Melo is an incredibly talented individual? I don't think anybody, regardless of where they stand on the Melo issue, denies this.

[johnnywishbone]

would you rather have Melo getting Chandler's shots and touches or have Chandler keep them?

Who said anything about Chandler? btw. he is a four Melo is a three.

So your question should really be:

would you rather have Melo getting Gallo's shots and touches or have Gallo keep them?

In Dantoni's system, Melo can play the 4.

That's very true but I still think Chandler plays the four - especially on defense.

[j4remi]

But that's not Melo's fault...the guy put up very impressive numbers, but his supporting cast was pretty lacking and injury plagued too if I'm not mistaken. I kinda relate it to KG's T'wolves, those teams making the playoffs alone was a miracle.

Ok, so you love Carmelo Anthony and blame his constantly losing in the first round of the playoffs on everybody on the team but him.

The Nuggets are 14 - 9 this year and Carmelo Anthony is shooting 42% from the field and 28% from three.

Maybe if he played a little better his team would be better.

He averaged 30, 8.5 and 3.3 last postseason along with 2 steals...He shot 46% from the field.

The year before that in the big run they had, he put up 27.2, 5.8 and 4.1 with 1.8 steals...he shot 45% from the field.

Those numbers speak for themselves.

This season his 3 point average is ugly for sure but he's only attempting 2 per game...and if you think the team is better off without Melo than make the statement instead of insinuating it so I can toss the laughing smiley out and dead this convo.

[johnnywishbone]

Just remember in all of this - that if we keep Fields, Gallo and Chandler we have 3 solid players for the rest of the decade. Melo has half his career behind him already.

Not saying I wouldn't do a trade but just think how much different our past decade would have been if we'd held on to some our talent instead of trading for "stars". This whole time we could have had Camby but we traded for McDyess because he was a "star". And we still don't have a good center.

If we do get Melo we are really just Miami lite. Amar'e is better than Bosh but they have 3 stars - two of which are better than Melo. Might be smarter on our part to have a deeper team with our one superstar. Kind of like how the Lakers do it.

[Jose7]

Has anybody denied that Melo is an incredibly talented individual? I don't think anybody, regardless of where they stand on the Melo issue, denies this.

I just want people to put into perspective when they are talking about Melo and then Chandler, Fields, Gallo. I know we're winning and shyt is SWEET and these guys are playing their asses off but take Melo out of the West (where's he's dominated offensively including the playoffs the last four seasons especially) If Melo's Nuggets were in the East since he's been in the league, his teams would be getting 55+ wins a year no questions asked. He makes teams that much better and if he was willing to sign that extension and accept a trade over here, it's something that should be done. Of course the package has to be reasonable but it will be worth it.