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Re: With what particular Knicks deficiency would Melo help? 

Post#241 » by j4remi » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:01 am

Justdatdude wrote:I doubt it. I think Billups will be able to carry them. He has a 57 ts% right now so I think he can shoulder the load. You do know he is the reason the Nuggets went to the conference finals...


Billups isn't carrying that team without Melo as the main option...who's he going to on the wing for points? And you do realize he got absolutely HOUSED this past post season by Deron Williams while Melo fought tooth and nail to keep them in it. Melo and Billups both played great ball to make it to the WCF, but it was Melo who fought head to head with Kobe and his injury subsequently signed their tickets home.

Edit: Also Billups is only averaging like 15 ppg this year.
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Re: With what particular Knicks deficiency would Melo help? 

Post#242 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:02 am

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Justdatdude wrote:I doubt it. I think Billups will be able to carry them. He has a 57 ts% right now so I think he can shoulder the load. You do know he is the reason the Nuggets went to the conference finals...


Billups isn't carrying that team without Melo as the main option...who's he going to on the wing for points? And you do realize he got absolutely HOUSED this past post season by Deron Williams while Melo fought tooth and nail to keep them in it. Melo and Billups both played great ball to make it to the WCF, but it was Melo who fought head to head with Kobe and his injury subsequently signed their tickets home.

I think Justdatdude was being sarcastic
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#243 » by Justdatdude » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:04 am

Simply put, look at how Miami is playing right now. They're rolling over teams at will. They struggled at first because Wade/Lebron didn't know how to play together on the court. Now they figured it out and they're unstoppable. Now imagine Carmelo with Amare. It won't be the same thing as Lebron/Wade because neither one of these guys dominate the ball. They both know how to work off the ball, which eases the transition of playing together. Another example is the Melo/A.I. duo. People say that didn't work because they didn't go far. Well Iverson and Carmelo had their most efficient scoring seasons playing together because teams had to pick their poison. Double team one and the other will beat you. The reason that team didn't go far is because they had injury problems and weren't a great 3 point shooting team. Pair two dominant scorers like Amare and Melo together with the 3 point shooting we have on this team and its going to be pretty hard to stop us. Remember, these two aren't Lebron and Wade. You can't just pack the lane against them and feel that you did your job. These two guys are actually good midrange shooters.
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Re: With what particular Knicks deficiency would Melo help? 

Post#244 » by j4remi » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:04 am

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j4remi wrote:
Justdatdude wrote:I doubt it. I think Billups will be able to carry them. He has a 57 ts% right now so I think he can shoulder the load. You do know he is the reason the Nuggets went to the conference finals...


Billups isn't carrying that team without Melo as the main option...who's he going to on the wing for points? And you do realize he got absolutely HOUSED this past post season by Deron Williams while Melo fought tooth and nail to keep them in it. Melo and Billups both played great ball to make it to the WCF, but it was Melo who fought head to head with Kobe and his injury subsequently signed their tickets home.

I think Justdatdude was being sarcastic


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Re: With what particular Knicks deficiency would Melo help? 

Post#245 » by Justdatdude » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:04 am

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j4remi wrote:
Justdatdude wrote:I doubt it. I think Billups will be able to carry them. He has a 57 ts% right now so I think he can shoulder the load. You do know he is the reason the Nuggets went to the conference finals...


Billups isn't carrying that team without Melo as the main option...who's he going to on the wing for points? And you do realize he got absolutely HOUSED this past post season by Deron Williams while Melo fought tooth and nail to keep them in it. Melo and Billups both played great ball to make it to the WCF, but it was Melo who fought head to head with Kobe and his injury subsequently signed their tickets home.

I think Justdatdude was being sarcastic


Definitely. Haha.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#246 » by johnnywishbone » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:08 am

god shammgod wrote:
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kane2021 wrote:No one can honestly sit here and say they would have expected Amare and Felton to play at this level. Really many felt Amare and Felton were minor upgrades over Lee and Duhon. You cant calculate the amount of effort and hunger these guys have. Its whats in their head and heart that make the difference.

Im not downing our guys. But Melo is at the level he is at because he pushed to be there. These are special talents. And I think its safe to assume he can also step his game up a level with a change in NY.


Just for grins. I'm going to put the boards record out there and I think we can all agree that this is what people generally thought (of course there are many individual exceptions).

1. Bosh >> Amar'e
2. Fields & Rautins worst picks in history.
3. AR was the biggest acquisition in the offseason besides Amar'e.
4. Felton was going to be the next Duhon i.e. player we all hate.
5. Lebron was coming to NY.
6. Chandler should be traded for (insert name here). But mostly Rudy Fernandez because we don't have a SG and Wil can't shoot threes.


most people on this board have been wrong more then they have been right though they'll never admit it. that includes me.


Yeah, you were the one who was saying it was time to tank. :lol:

I had no feel for the picks, Felton and AR. So, I was really listening to everybody else. I 100% thought Lebron was coming. :lol:
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#247 » by CHARLYMURPHY » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:10 am

Justdatdude wrote:Simply put, look at how Miami is playing right now. They're rolling over teams at will. They struggled at first because Wade/Lebron didn't know how to play together on the court. Now they figured it out and they're unstoppable. Now imagine Carmelo with Amare. It won't be the same thing as Lebron/Wade because neither one of these guys dominate the ball. They both know how to work off the ball, which eases the transition of playing together. Another example is the Melo/A.I. duo. People say that didn't work because they didn't go far. Well Iverson and Carmelo had their most efficient scoring seasons playing together because teams had to pick their poison. Double team one and the other will beat you. The reason that team didn't go far is because they had injury problems and weren't a great 3 point shooting team. Pair two dominant scorers like Amare and Melo together with the 3 point shooting we have on this team and its going to be pretty hard to stop us. Remember, these two aren't Lebron and Wade. You can't just pack the lane against them and feel that you did your job. These two guys are actually good midrange shooters.


True, but i still think even with Melo we have to get a Center and another big guy. I still dont believe the Heat can win a championship with only Lebron and Wade playing Defense... Their C,PG,Bosh are so terrible at defending. And they have no bench.

I just cant help to think that their formula isent a championship winning formula, thats why i think the Knicks have to do alot more even if they get Melo
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#248 » by god shammgod » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:11 am

johnnywishbone wrote:Yeah, you were the one who was saying it was time to tank. :lol:

I had no feel for the picks, Felton and AR. So, I was really listening to everybody else. I 100% thought Lebron was coming. :lol:


i wanted to tank when it looked like they might fire mike but not for the whole year, just till he was gone. but that's nothing, i thought curry would work out.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#249 » by dk7th » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:12 am

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dk7th wrote:amar'e got 4 assists yesterday and the knicks won against a .500+ team.

carmelo went 0-6 from 3-point land.

try to let that sink in.

and i am saying if walsh decides to trade for carmelo or acquire him as a free agent i would be cool with gallinari moving to the bench-- but that doesn't mean i think carmelo would be a better fit-- cause he wouldn't. d'antoni is going to continue to demand ball movement.

i was at the game yesterday. i saw very clearly what the limitations of the amar'e/felton tandem is: they don't move the ball enough. right now the knicks have been successful. wednesday night may very well be a wake-up call for amar'e and felton. the celtics play stifling defense and it is only by passing the ball crisply and recognizing the double team quickly that the knicks have a chance to prevail.

please make a note of what i just stated.


amar'e is a scorer who needs touches who has to outscore his man to be effective. he is not an elite passer when doubled.
carmelo is a scorer who needs touches and has to outscore his man to be effective. he is not an elite passer when doubled.
felton is a scorer who needs touches. he defends pretty well but elite point guards are going to reveal his limitations as a defender.

the knicks have achieved a nice balance as of right now.


Re: Your analysis.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/youtube]



ha ha ha that was a great insult! congrats.

still make note of the words i bolded-- in my opinion it is really the key to the knicks season if they are going to make it to the playoffs and beyond the first round.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#250 » by j4remi » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:18 am

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Justdatdude wrote:Simply put, look at how Miami is playing right now. They're rolling over teams at will. They struggled at first because Wade/Lebron didn't know how to play together on the court. Now they figured it out and they're unstoppable. Now imagine Carmelo with Amare. It won't be the same thing as Lebron/Wade because neither one of these guys dominate the ball. They both know how to work off the ball, which eases the transition of playing together. Another example is the Melo/A.I. duo. People say that didn't work because they didn't go far. Well Iverson and Carmelo had their most efficient scoring seasons playing together because teams had to pick their poison. Double team one and the other will beat you. The reason that team didn't go far is because they had injury problems and weren't a great 3 point shooting team. Pair two dominant scorers like Amare and Melo together with the 3 point shooting we have on this team and its going to be pretty hard to stop us. Remember, these two aren't Lebron and Wade. You can't just pack the lane against them and feel that you did your job. These two guys are actually good midrange shooters.


True, but i still think even with Melo we have to get a Center and another big guy. I still dont believe the Heat can win a championship with only Lebron and Wade playing Defense... Their C,PG,Bosh are so terrible at defending. And they have no bench.

I just cant help to think that their formula isent a championship winning formula, thats why i think the Knicks have to do alot more even if they get Melo


You're right, we'd still be a couple of pieces away. But Mozgov has plenty of room to develop into the C we need in due time and we have more depth than Miami as it is (unless we deal two or three of our starters as opposed to one). Plus both Melo and Amare can work off of the ball while our PG is playing Allstar ball. That's a far better balance than the Heat's big three...and I like our complimentary players better.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#251 » by TrueWarrior » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:23 am

I dont think anybody is 100% against getting Melo besides a very small minority. Its the ones saying "Trade anyone but Amare" that irk me. Most of us just want to get him at the right price. That price is Chandler, Randolph or traded pick, Bookie or Walker, and Curry to me. I really dont think they want anything to do with Gallo. Fields is the main issue here.

I think Melo and Amare COULD make it work. Wed be one defensive center away from being SERIOUS. Dantoni loves his spacing though and I wouldnt be surprised if we stuck with the small ball. Amare and Melo cant really hit threes so if we played a true center with them wed be relying totally on Felton and our SG (Fields? Mayo?) to space the floor. Dantoni would have to change his whole system to accommodate Melo if we dont go small, so it will be interesting to see what he does.

The biggest thing for me is that Melo would have to alter his approach here and play within the team concept for us to thrive. No more one on one sh*t unless its in the flow, shot clock is running down, or there is nothing else there. WILL HE MAKE OTHERS BETTER? HAS HE EVER MADE OTHERS BETTER BEFORE? Those are legit concerns I have.

I only hope we actually have a team left after we get him. Thats all most of us ask. I dont think Melo is as good as some others do, but he should make us better if we dont give up the farm. We still wont be a title contender, but we would be one step closer. Its up to Donnie to do the rest.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#252 » by KnicksManiac » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:29 am

Quick question, not sure where to post it: When was the last time the Knicks were 7 games above .500? Being as specific as possible would help. Thanks!
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Post#253 » by Lord Commander » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:04 am

KnicksManiac wrote:Quick question, not sure where to post it: When was the last time the Knicks were 7 games above .500? Being as specific as possible would help. Thanks!


1999, I think...
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Post#254 » by KnicksManiac » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:06 am

ToHoleWithSoul wrote:
KnicksManiac wrote:Quick question, not sure where to post it: When was the last time the Knicks were 7 games above .500? Being as specific as possible would help. Thanks!


1999, I think...


I appreciate it, but I need a definitive answer. I think it was at the end of the 2000-2001 NBA Season (in 2001) when we finished 48-34 but I'm not 100% sure.
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Post#255 » by kane2021 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:22 am

KnicksManiac wrote:
ToHoleWithSoul wrote:
KnicksManiac wrote:Quick question, not sure where to post it: When was the last time the Knicks were 7 games above .500? Being as specific as possible would help. Thanks!


1999, I think...


I appreciate it, but I need a definitive answer. I think it was at the end of the 2000-2001 NBA Season (in 2001) when we finished 48-34 but I'm not 100% sure.

That was the last season. Its also the last season we were above .500
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#256 » by Tommy Sneakers » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:26 am

KnicksManiac wrote:
ToHoleWithSoul wrote:
KnicksManiac wrote:Quick question, not sure where to post it: When was the last time the Knicks were 7 games above .500? Being as specific as possible would help. Thanks!


1999, I think...


I appreciate it, but I need a definitive answer. I think it was at the end of the 2000-2001 NBA Season (in 2001) when we finished 48-34 but I'm not 100% sure.


Basketball reference gives the team record after each game. That might help you.
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Post#257 » by AllanHoustonFan » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:54 am

Like clockwork: Melo denies Knick ultimatium and says no trade is imminent

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _imminent/

Find it funny he denies it yet says they won't trade him to a team he doesn't wanna go to.
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Post#258 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:01 am

Melo will NOT BE a Kansas City Royal....as per Wiretap.

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Post#259 » by snyknick86 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:48 am

Maybe somebody wants melo for one yr and won't mind trying to win a ring and give up some assets to do so??

My bet is watch out for Orlando....expiring and still producing player in Vince, a pick, Pietrus, and Bass.....

and why wouldn't Melo want to play with the best center, a very good PG, a good outside shooting PF and have Reddick ready to jump in at SG....

and add Denver wants Smith out so there's the SG, now Orlando is battling for the top seed. Melo would be crazy to say no, gets his money and great team and Denver gets a usable expiring and young talent and pick....

To many are taking Melo as a knick for a sure thing, i'm skeptical from Denvers point of view and what Donnie will give up to get him.....

think about it
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for Knicks! Part 5 

Post#260 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:50 am

snyknick86 wrote:Maybe somebody wants melo for one yr and won't mind trying to win a ring and give up some assets to do so??

My bet is watch out for Orlando....expiring and still producing player in Vince, a pick, Pietrus, and Bass.....

and why wouldn't Melo want to play with the best center, a very good PG, a good outside shooting PF and have Reddick ready to jump in at SG....

and add Denver wants Smith out so there's the SG, now Orlando is battling for the top seed. Melo would be crazy to say no, gets his money and great team and Denver gets a usable expiring and young talent and pick....

To many are taking Melo as a knick for a sure thing, i'm skeptical from Denvers point of view and what Donnie will give up to get him.....

think about it

I'm sure Denver can't wait to take on Pietrus and Bass' deal all for a low 1st rd pick the privilege of letting Carter expire

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