[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[Knicks_Fan2]

[/quote][Its not a Chandler over Melo its quality for a discount. Melo brings nothing that this team needs right now and thats post defense and a back up pg.[/quote]

I don't understand why everyone believes this team does not need Melo. We are scraping by teams that are below average and are KILLING our starters just to do so. Wouldn't feel great to know that either Melo/Amare could be on the court at ALL times putting pressure on the defense and getting our starters AND bench good looks all the while taking pressure off each other? Do we really want Amare to go 42 a night, killing himself in the process, just to get tough wins over the Raptors. I think everyone underestimates how much better we would be with Melo but watch tomorrow what happens to our team when Amare goes out and--3 minutes later--when D'Antoni has to put him back in just to stem the tide. We need another go to guy...this is a fact. THe backup pg and low post defender need to be addressed but that won't make us title contenders---this will depending on how much we give up.

[Nyc Hugo]

Something still confuses.

To a number of posters here, Carmelo Anthony is apparently a ball-hogging black hole of a scorer who only scores by virtue of volume shooting, can't shoot from long range, doesn't make his teammates better, is apparently on the decline at age 26 and represents the worst attributes of the contemporary NBA player...

... Yet most of these same posters are prepared to give him $100 million dollars and insert him into the starting line-up.

I asked the other day and I'll ask again...

To ANY one of these posters (including some of you mods)...

What's GOOD about Carmelo Anthony?

Can you name 3 players who can stop Melo at his position

[AkiliNYK]

What makes you think we get him at a discount?
Lets say Denver trades him to us we would have to give up picks young players Currys contract, and still sign melo to the max.... I don't call that a discount Also with what we prob will have to give up for Melo we get worse Defensivly

[GONYK]

I say us Knick fans get off Melos sack it looks pathetic to other fan bases that during the best winning streak we have had in years all we are stil talking about is melos punk ass

Melos on the knicks sack,'if you rather have chandler over melo than ur retarted and should just play fantasy league.

Lets see Melo at the Max or Chandler for about 10 mil I take Will
Will 23
Melo 26

Melo and Chandler take similar shots on offense, but Melo is much better. I am more worried about losing Wilson's defensive versatility. That being said, Chandler will not hold me back from a Melo trade as long as he is the only top level prospect heading out.

[AkiliNYK]

Not to mention Will is a non selfish team player.
Melo is a Superstar Premadona that is used to beeing the man.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Why do we assume Melo will be a similar ball-stopper here in D'Antoni's offense? Do we think he can't listen to the coach and play within the offense? He's an unbelieveable jump shooter and would thrive in our ball-movement offense. I highly doubt Amare/Felton would be down for Melo iso on every play and I'm sure D'Antoni would love to incorporate him within the offense.

[GONYK]

What makes you think we get him at a discount?
Lets say Denver trades him to us we would have to give up picks young players Currys contract, and still sign melo to the max.... I don't call that a discount Also with what we prob will have to give up for Melo we get worse Defensivly

Chandler/Curry/Buike/1st is a discount, no matter how you slice it. We do get worse defensively, but much better offensively.

Neither Chandler or Carmelo are playmakers, so that is a push. Melo is much better at offense, but he will have to change his game to play in this system.

[FieldsMedal]

Lets see Melo at the Max or Chandler for about 10 mil I take Will
Will 23
Melo 26

If Wilson Chandler is as good as you say he is, why will he only be making $10m?

He'll be a restricted FA. Won't someone give him an offer sheet given the potential you see?

[AkiliNYK]

We are not having problems offensivly we are having problems defensivly. We are top 3 in offense how many balls do you think are on the floor did you not watch the denver game?> every time Melo touches the ball he shoots just about. Even clyde mentioned it.

[AkiliNYK]

Lets see Melo at the Max or Chandler for about 10 mil I take Will
Will 23
Melo 26

If Wilson Chandler is as good as you say he is, why will he only be making $10m?

He'll be a restricted FA. Won't someone give him an offer sheet given the potential you see?

Not yet because in the Medias eyes hes not a big market name yet witch is why we should lock him up now before he does. Look I am not denying Melo is the superior offensive player but thats the only thing hes got on WIll. And on a team who dosent need more offense, I feel we don't need Melo for the Price of Melo we can prob lock Will and Gallo up long term

[Knicks_Fan2]

I think Melo not helps our defense because not only is a solid defender, but his offensive presence alone--and ability to get to the line--gets the other team in foul trouble--making them less aggressive--but also allows players like Amare to be much more physical on the defensive end because they know if they have to go to the bench, the team will still succeed. How many times have you see this season where Amare simply allows his player to score only because he knows that if he fouls the guy, the team is dead for the next 6 minutes?

[Nyc Hugo]

Lets see Melo at the Max or Chandler for about 10 mil I take Will
Will 23
Melo 26

If Wilson Chandler is as good as you say he is, why will he only be making $10m?

He'll be a restricted FA. Won't someone give him an offer sheet given the potential you see?

NAme 3 players that can stop Melo at his position

[GONYK]

I think Melo not helps our defense because not only is a solid defender, but his offensive presence alone--and ability to get to the line--gets the other team in foul trouble--making them less aggressive--but also allows players like Amare to be much more physical on the defensive end because they know if they have to go to the bench, the team will still succeed. How many times have you see this season where Amare simply allows his player to score only because he knows that if he fouls the guy, the team is dead for the next 6 minutes?

Melo is not a solid defender

[FieldsMedal]

Not yet because in the Medias eyes hes not a big market name yet witch is why we should lock him up now before he does.

The media does not sign players to offer sheets, or prepare free agent contracts. 30 NBA general managers do.

Some of you guys give the "media" waaaaaay too much credit and power.

Look I am not denying Melo is the superior offensive player but thats the only thing hes got on WIll.

You mean besides rebounding?

And on a team who dosent need more offense, I feel we don't need Melo for the Price of Melo we can prob lock Will and Gallo up long term

Fair enough.

What does having Gallo and Chandler at the price of "melo net you as compared Melo and one of Gallo and Chandler?

How are the Knicks better off in the former scenario, because they are over the cap for years in either one.

[Nyc Hugo]

Fields Mental

You still haven't answer my question despite me asking you 3x. You are talking ridiculous. Keeping Chandler over Melo .

FieldsMental = (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to the 5th power

[DishAndSwish]

He hasn't shot this badly in five seasons. Considering he is not old, I think it's fair to say it has something to do with his unknow future. I don't think it's fair to try to diminish what he does by continuing to say he is a 43% shooter like that's his career average or something. He is a very good player, having a bad season and is only 26 years old. I'll take it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... yerId=1975

I'll take him for the right price. Honestly, he reminds me of an entire generation of NBA players who rarely improve once they reach a certain age, and achieve their first big pay day. Jordan got better every year. These guys don't. His shooting percentages over the last three seasons are .459, .441, and now .427. Clyde shot over .500 for his career. Ewing was right there as well. Bernard shot .560 and .540 in the years when he was leading the Knicks to the playoffs (and at .490 and above in the years after his injury). That's elite. As far as I can see, this guy is a rich man's Al Harrington (and make no mistake, if Al weren't an idiot, he could have been a terrific player given his physical ability).

I'll take him at a fair price, not Denver's likely price. And if he really wants to get paid more than help the Knick win long-term, I don't want him at all.

Ok, you can't compare Melo to Ewing or Bernard considering they played a completely different position and different type of game. Forwards and Centers who generally play in the paint generally shoot for higher percentages. Nazy Mohammed is shooting .523 right now and no one is making any claims that he is an elite player. Clyde was a player who played at a whole other level and in a different era. A fairer comparison would be Kobe Bryant, who excels at both the mid-range and outside game. His shooting percentage if .454 for his career -- which is more comparable to Carmelo. Are you now saying that Kobe is not an elite player because he is not shooting over .500? there are not many perimeter/slasher players who do.

[FieldsMedal]

Fields Mental

You still haven't answer my question despite me asking you 3x. You are talking ridiculous. Keeping Chandler over Melo .

I haven't answered your question because you haven't understood any of my posts.

I'M not arguing keeping Chandler over 'Melo.

You're suffering from a reading comprehension fail.

[sol537]

I think D'antoni's loyalty with Gallinari is too strong and will prevent him from being included in a trade. I'd also hate to see Chandler go because of his versatility but you have to give to get in this league.

NY Trades: Eddie Curry, Wilson Chandler, Timofy Mozgov, Toney Douglas, 1st Rounder (via Anthony Randolph), 2nd Rounder, $3 Million

NY Receives: Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Carter, Melvin Ely

[GONYK]

He hasn't shot this badly in five seasons. Considering he is not old, I think it's fair to say it has something to do with his unknow future. I don't think it's fair to try to diminish what he does by continuing to say he is a 43% shooter like that's his career average or something. He is a very good player, having a bad season and is only 26 years old. I'll take it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... yerId=1975

I'll take him for the right price. Honestly, he reminds me of an entire generation of NBA players who rarely improve once they reach a certain age, and achieve their first big pay day. Jordan got better every year. These guys don't. His shooting percentages over the last three seasons are .459, .441, and now .427. Clyde shot over .500 for his career. Ewing was right there as well. Bernard shot .560 and .540 in the years when he was leading the Knicks to the playoffs (and at .490 and above in the years after his injury). That's elite. As far as I can see, this guy is a rich man's Al Harrington (and make no mistake, if Al weren't an idiot, he could have been a terrific player given his physical ability).

I'll take him at a fair price, not Denver's likely price. And if he really wants to get paid more than help the Knick win long-term, I don't want him at all.

Ok, you can't compare Melo to Ewing or Bernard considering they played a completely different position and different type of game. Forwards and Centers who generally play in the paint generally shoot for higher percentages. Nazy Mohammed is shooting .523 right now and no one is making any claims that he is an elite player. Clyde was a player who played at a whole other level and in a different era. A fairer comparison would be Kobe Bryant, who excels at both the mid-range and outside game. His shooting percentage if .454 for his career -- which is more comparable to Carmelo. Are you now saying that Kobe is not an elite player because he is not shooting over .500? there are not many perimeter/slasher players who do.

Let's get two things straight if this is to be a worthwhile discussion.

1. Melo and Bernard are comparable offensively
2. Melo is no Kobe. Bryant is elite for many reasons outside of shooting %. Since Melo's only claim to fame is scoring, it gets put under more of a microscope, especially when he has all the tools to be a more efficient scorer, and does not utilize them.

[GONYK]

I think D'antoni's loyalty with Gallinari is too strong and will prevent him from being included in a trade. I'd also hate to see Chandler go because of his versatility but you have to give to get in this league.

NY Trades: Eddie Curry, Wilson Chandler, Timofy Mozgov, Toney Douglas, 1st Rounder (via Anthony Randolph), 2nd Rounder, $3 Million

NY Receives: Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Carter, Melvin Ely

That trade is not happening. Waaay too many assets lost.