Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[willbcocks]

I don't want a player who has been in two coach's doghouses. It's not like the guy was behind stars on winning teams--he dropped out of the knicks lineup when they were still sucking and couldn't break the lineup in GS.

The only hope I'd have for him is that he might play better in a more normal system (only coaches so far are Nelson and D'Antoni) but that's a super stretch.

[Dat2U]

I don't want a player who has been in two coach's doghouses. It's not like the guy was behind stars on winning teams--he dropped out of the knicks lineup when they were still sucking and couldn't break the lineup in GS.

The only hope I'd have for him is that he might play better in a more normal system (only coaches so far are Nelson and D'Antoni) but that's a super stretch.

I hear ya but if he was in Phil Jackson or Popovich's doghouse it would carry a lot more weight for me. Any GS fan would tell you Don Nelson was a complete joke the last few years and truly made some bizarre choices and played favorites. Everyone over 6-9 was in his doghouse as well at one time or another. Biedrins for example. I honestly don't know what's going in NY and definitely that's something that needs to be looked into but I wouldn't hold his falling out with Nelson against him.

[Geaux Wiz]

What would you guys think of trading for Thabeet? He's got a big contract but if the price was right I'd do it. With Thabeet added in we'd be even more stacked with young talent (or potential in Thabeet's case)

[Dat2U]

What would you guys think of trading for Thabeet? He's got a big contract but if the price was right I'd do it. With Thabeet added in we'd be even more stacked with young talent (or potential in Thabeet's case)

It reeks of the type of guy Ernie lusts after. A physically gifted lottery bust who has no clue how to play the game. The upside is all about the physical attributes while ignoring all the other incredible flaws within his game.

My take on Thabeet? I first called him a bust during his very first summer league. He verified it for me during his second summer league. The game is simply too fast for him. If the NBA eliminated the 3 second violation in the paint, he might okay as a guy who can block shots at the rim and grab rebounds in his immediate vicinity like he did at UConn. But he's incapable of playing in space. He's just doesn't react quick enough to what goes on around him to make much of an impact.

[Induveca]

What would you guys think of trading for Thabeet? He's got a big contract but if the price was right I'd do it. With Thabeet added in we'd be even more stacked with young talent (or potential in Thabeet's case)

Thabeet never impressed me in college. He dominated kids, not grown men........and to me at least it showed. Zero athleticism, and the exact kind of center NBA players drool over dunking on because they are just too slow to react and weak (hello Shawn Bradley).

Doesn't surprise me he has been a bust.

[hands11]

It may take 3 years but I will be keeping an eye on Alabi.

7-1 251 huge hands. Good personality. Good work ethic. A post game. Takes it right up. Some range.

Give him 3 years.

I was hoping we grabbed him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3kBZwHchso

[Ruzious]

It may take 3 years but I will be keeping an eye on Alabi.

7-1 251 huge hands. Good personality. Good work ethic. A post game. Takes it right up. Some range.

Give him 3 years.

I was hoping we grabbed him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3kBZwHchso

I second that. Maybe just 2 years. 7'5 wingspan. Very intelligent person. The thing that worried me about him was his low rebound rate in college. People said he didn't get rebounds unless they came right to him. I didn't notice that when watching him play, but I didn't have a reason for the low rate. Looking at his D League stats, he seems to be improving in that area - 11.8 rebounds per 40 mins adjusted for pace. He was just 9.7 last season in college and 10.1 the season before. His offense still needs a lot of work, but I could see him developing into Brendan Haywood - without the "Free Chuckie Atkins" quirky personality. Put him on the Lakers, and he could probably help them for 10 minutes a game right now.

[507Mack]

Although I am not an advocate of trading Blatche for Randolph. I would still be interested in trying to acquire him.

Here are some highlights of one of his best games.

Even his highlight reel is unimpressive

[Wizardspride]

Here's a hypothetical for you:

If the Timberwolves offered Love, Rubio and a top three protected 1st for Wall, would you consider pulling the trigger?

[queridiculo]

Drop the protection and I may think about it. Rubio may never play a game in the NBA, and as much as I like Love, he's not worth giving up Wall over.

[Hoopalotta]

So, that Vujacic thing is more or less the first BOYD trade of the season: approximately $4 million in absorption (basically) in exchange for maybe the 26th-29th pick (I need to check the details).

If Jersey does pull off that massive package of picks in exchange for Melo, some of them might go to an under the cap team for the privilege of taking back Murphy or something like that in order to get Denver under the tax.

We of course jammed our cap up and could have been in the bidding there otherwise, but there are a good number of buyers by way of Sac-town, 'Sota and Cleveland.

[no D in Hibachi]

We of course jammed our cap up and could have been in the bidding there otherwise, but there are a good number of buyers by way of Sac-town, 'Sota and Cleveland.

What would you rather have: Yi or Vujasuck and a 1st?

[Hoopalotta]

We of course jammed our cap up and could have been in the bidding there otherwise, but there are a good number of buyers by way of Sac-town, 'Sota and Cleveland.

What would you rather have: Yi or Vujasuck and a 1st?

Uhhhmmmm.....

Actually, we'd have had to alter things a little bit more as we're a touch over the cap and it wouldn't have been quite enough to get it done. Especially as we'd probably have brought in some kind of another big and eaten up more cap that way. So it's not quite a straight comparison like that and realistically, we likely would have had to forget about Josh Howard.

But I'd take Ross/Vujacic/late 1st over Yi/Howard given where we're at in the rebuild, sure. I'd also have liked to see us front load the Blatche extension a little more.

I still think Yi was about the shoes.

[Hoopalotta]

It's interesting to see that the Bulls are in talks about J.R. Smith....

The Bulls and Nuggets are discussing a trade that would send J.R. Smith to Chicago.

The Denver guard is in the final year of his contract and would give the Bulls another scoring option in their backcourt.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... jr_smith/#

If that were to fall through they might well be interested in Nick like their fans were noting on the trade board.

[LyricalRico]

Aren't the Lakers acquiring Joe Smith in the Vujacic trade? If that's the case, it's not a true BOYD deal. LA probably sees a need for veteran frontcourt depth and is in a position where they can afford to overpay by including the pick. I haven't seen anything to indicate that they'd be willing to deal Sasha plus pick for straight cap relief.

[Hoopalotta]

The savings is either $4.6 or $4.7 million once you account for what the league registers Smith's salary at for tax purposes. That's rather BOYDish, yeah. Actually, I came up with that term and I don't recall attaching sharp stipulations (I recall people Bullets Forever also noting that "The Hinrich trade was not a BOYD deal because BOYDS are only for expiring contracts". I guess nobody owns anything on the internets).

They might have liked Smith, but a BOYD is going to get the purging team a TPE by default anyway, so the Lakers would have had the firepower to get a front court rotation player no matter what.

I'm not killing us or anything - Yi might make sense from an "Don't you like my shoes on Asian Heritage Night?" perspective and fans would have been right piddled off if we'd have gone into the season with Thornton/Martin/Ross as the small forward rotation (tough pitch for season ticket holders - it would be obvious that they weren't even trying). And there's also lots of teams with cap space or TPEs that we'd have to beat out too, so it's not a given that we could have even gotten that done.

[nate33]

I'm not killing us or anything - Yi might make sense from an "Don't you like my shoes on Asian Heritage Night?" perspective and fans would have been right piddled off if we'd have gone into the season with Thornton/Martin/Ross as the small forward rotation (tough pitch for season ticket holders - it would be obvious that they weren't even trying). And there's also lots of teams with cap space or TPEs that we'd have to beat out too, so it's not a given that we could have even gotten that done.

And let's not act like the 29th pick in the draft is all that valuable either. You can usually buy picks in that range with straight cash. Indeed at a price of $4.6M, it looks to me that NJ got ripped off, unless LA is sending $3M cash their way.

[Ruzious]

I'm not killing us or anything - Yi might make sense from an "Don't you like my shoes on Asian Heritage Night?" perspective and fans would have been right piddled off if we'd have gone into the season with Thornton/Martin/Ross as the small forward rotation (tough pitch for season ticket holders - it would be obvious that they weren't even trying). And there's also lots of teams with cap space or TPEs that we'd have to beat out too, so it's not a given that we could have even gotten that done.

And let's not act like the 29th pick in the draft is all that valuable either. You can usually buy picks in that range with straight cash. Indeed at a price of $4.6M, it looks to me that NJ got ripped off, unless LA is sending $3M cash their way.

I agree with those points. On the surface, NJ is accumulating 1st round pix. But these very low 1sts really don't have much trade value. If they're really trying to get Melo, I'm a bit skeptical of their approach.

[hands11]

Why are they talking about NJ and Melo. I thought it was a forgone conclusion that he was going to New York. Is this just PR for NJ. So they went for LJ and didnt get him so they are talking about Melo now.

I know many will freak about this idea but this team rebuild does not have to be a 10 year thing if they consider moving Wall for a star SF like Melo who is still only 26. Melo does have local ties here.

Wall/Kirk
Gil/NY/Martin ( Gil likely has to go and for what ?)
Howard/Booker/Gee ( Howard probably leaves after this year )
Dray/Yi
McGee/Serapahin

Hamady

In this line up Wall drive to much and gets injured because we dont have others to do it and when will that change. Hard to find a stud SF in their prime. Nick is on the bench under utilized.

vs

Gil/Kirk
NY/Martin
Melo/Howard/Gee
Dray/Booker/Yi
McGee/Seraphin

Hamady

That second group could compete right now. A dynamic powerful star SF like Melo would hide a lot of the short coming of a less leaping finishing Dray and less experienced McGee up front and allow our guards to not be required to drive as much where they get hurt. If Gil could only fine his 3 ball again ( he will ), that would be an amazing offensive team and from what we have seen when Booker and Seraphin are getting minutes, they had the muscle and rebounding. Nick gets to start or if there isn't enough balls for him in that starting line up, super sub off the bench still works where he runs with Howard and Kirk. Gil isn't looking over his shoulder or upset he is playing second fiddle to a rookie. Melo has the star power to lead a team so your not just handing it back to Gil. Dray can play his game which is to let the game come to him inside or out. And with Gil, Nick, Melo and Dray... McGee or Seraphin have less on their plates so what they do shows up as more of a benefit. Seraphin will clear space and rebound. McGee will run, block shots and get follow up slams.

Scoring. Gil, Nick, Melo and Dray with a vet Howard behind them
Rebounding: Melo, Dray, Booker, Dray, McGee and Seraphin

That team would be far from suck. They would be big also. And they would still be young.

I know it isn't likely to happen but I do find it interesting how one move like that can take us from a long rebuild with all kinds of questions to 10 miles down the road where our young players aren't nearly as exposed and have something to grow into and our reserves fit nicely. With a more reasoned McGee, Seraphin and Booker, that team could compete with anyone.

[verbal8]

Gil/Kirk
NY/Martin
Melo/Howard/Gee
Dray/Booker/Yi
McGee/Seraphin

Hamady

Is that much better than Gil/Mike Miller/Butler/Jamison/Haywood/Blatche/Nick Young/McGee/Foye ?