POR inquires about Crawford

[theatlfan]

and we decline to discuss him (Link). Supposedly, we denied to discuss him.

My initial reactions are: when? before the season or just recently? who? were they asking about Crawford or his expiring? Those answers could make for a world of difference...

[#1 pick]

Atlanta not trading him unless they make a blockbuster deal.

[D21]

When ?
I would say after Roy injury, and they could want to try Crawford before the end of the season, before he needs a new contract.
They could see if it works, and they could keep him next summer with their bird rights, instead of being only able to offer him the MLE.
ATL won't make any sign-&-trade allowing other team to sign Crawford for more than the MLE because they would pay LT for that, so all the team wanting Crawford next season have interest to trade for him now: they can try first, and if it's working good, they have bird rights.

Atlanta not trading him unless they make a blockbuster deal.

Or for another expiring, but a big guy allowing to test it instead of staying with this team and letting Crawford walk next summer without knowing what the team would do with a big instead of a Crawford.
When Joe comes back, it's what I would look for, if there is no opportunity of blockbuster needing Crawford.

[evildallas]

Reading the article it sounds like Brandon Roy would favor an Andre Miller for Mike Bibby deal as he pines for an outside shooter to be paired with.

As for the initial talk, it doesn't surprise me. The Hawks need Jamal's scoring now and they are also attached to his contract expiring in the summer. No trade offer really matches those benefits for us. We could either get back players that might help but come with future commitments or players that expire but leave us weaker now. If Joe was healthy or Marvin was a consistent offensive force then Jamal might be available, but they aren't and he isn't.

[D21]

Reading the article it sounds like Brandon Roy would favor an Andre Miller for Mike Bibby deal as he pines for an outside shooter to be paired with

Exactly like Joe was better once Bibby came here.
Roy wants to play ISO again, like Joe did with Bibby.
It works, but it has his limits.

On the other end, with Miller it has other limits, that's why the best would be to have both Miller and Bibby.

If they inquire about Bibby, it should mean they build on Roy even with his injury, or at least want to try everything before he can't do anything.
If they want Crawford, it looks more like they are searching a long term replacement of Roy.

[azuresou1]

Crawford and Thomas for Camby and a 2nd
Crawford for Oden, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks, Patty Mills

[evildallas]

Crawford and Thomas for Camby and a 2nd
Crawford for Oden, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks, Patty Mills

Oden's out for the year right? If so, Pryz's expiring deal would be a better fit in that second offer.

[azuresou1]

Oden's out but I think he's worth a shot, bust and all.

[evildallas]

Reading the article it sounds like Brandon Roy would favor an Andre Miller for Mike Bibby deal as he pines for an outside shooter to be paired with

Exactly like Joe was better once Bibby came here.
Roy wants to play ISO again, like Joe did with Bibby.
It works, but it has his limits.

On the other end, with Miller it has other limits, that's why the best would be to have both Miller and Bibby.

If they inquire about Bibby, it should mean they build on Roy even with his injury, or at least want to try everything before he can't do anything.
If they want Crawford, it looks more like they are searching a long term replacement of Roy.

I agree with most of that except Crawford being a long term replacement for Roy. I see trying to acquire Crawford more as a possible way to reshape while providing an offensive stopgap because of the size of his expiring deal. If kept long term I think it would be more as a compliment to Roy than a replacement. Someone who could sub for him and occasionally with him without a complete offensive scheme change like Miller.

Roy's discontent with their offense is actually what I feared would happen with Joe as Larry Drew tried to put in an offensive system here.

[evildallas]

Oden's out but I think he's worth a shot, bust and all.

My point is you get nothing out of him this year and QO is quite large for next season (like 9M), which means that getting his rights just allow you to overpay him next year. Much like when the Lakers overpaid to see if Kwame was truly a flop at the end of his rookie deal, I wouldn't want to be the front office that pays big dollars on the hope that Oden can finally stay healthy. Pryz gives you a body now.

If you are rolling the dice you might as well consider a deal for Thabeet and Mayo. Thabeet having a break through seems to be more likely than Oden staying healthy.

[azuresou1]

I'd rather have Thabeet/Mayo but you wouldn't be able to get them for Jamal Crawford.

[geeman]

Change in Team Outlook: +5.0 ppg, -8.0 rpg, and +2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Hasheem Thabeet
7-3 C from Connecticut
2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 8.6 minutes
O.J. Mayo
6-4 SG from USC
15.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 19.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Marvin Williams
6-8 SF from North Carolina
9.0 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 30.9 minutes
Maurice Evans
6-8 SF from Texas
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 11.8 minutes

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz189Rls8o5

or

Change in Team Outlook: +4.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Hasheem Thabeet
7-3 C from Connecticut
2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 8.6 minutes
O.J. Mayo
6-4 SG from USC
15.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 19.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
11.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 18.6 minutes
Jeff Teague
6-1 PG from Wake Forest
2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 18.8 minutes



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz189R6Gyik

[theatlfan]

^^ I'd do the 1st, but I'm not sure if MEM would. I guess it'd depend on how much they like Marvin. Do they think he some upside, needs a change of scenery, and can fill in adequately @ PF? If so, then they might pull the trigger... I'd think we'd still need to add some sweetener though.

I don't think that our FO would do the 2nd. Sund would worry about PG depth, and the FO would worry about the tax next season. Even with that, I think that MEM would be looking for more from that package than an expiring and a so-so prospect. Maybe send Teague through SAC for Thompson?

PS... When in the H3ll has Marvin ever averaged 11 RPG?

[D21]

I agree with most of that except Crawford being a long term replacement for Roy...

I wanted to say "in worst case", if the fall of Roy production is happening faster than they think, but with first goal being Crawford as a piece to add next to Roy like you said.

I thought that if they trade for him, they should try to see if they can play together, but also should as soon as possible see if the team is OK with Crawford and without Roy, and evaluate if they have to make him an offer next summer.
If Roy can't play starting next year, Crawford can be thier long term replacement of Roy, even if they wouldn't bring him this idea first.

PS... When in the H3ll has Marvin ever averaged 11 RPG?

Lots of stats are currently wrong in the TradeChecker (I see that with the PHI trade, Brand is supposed to be at 15pts and TradeChecker says only 6 or 7pts)

[MaceCase]

I imagine with certainty that the Portland deal is centered around Camby by himself as he's the only contract they have that runs past this season (Dre is fully unguaranteed in '11). It would make sense given Sund's propensity to avoid any bigs for smalls trades.

I would think that Memphis wouldn't accept Marvin because with Gay and Conley already resigned to lucrative deals and with Gasol and ZBo up for new deals that will probably total about 22+ mil that they'd want to get out of any longer term salary that's not going to the core. Mayo may be added as sweetener for a team taking on Thabeet but I still think Memphis asks for expirings+picks/young prospects back.

[Skyhawk1]

if we have any chance to get Camby, who would start here for Crawford, we should go for it. This team knows how far it can go the way it is( Getting swept in the 2nd round). We desperately need a C. Al is great at PF and Smith has been very good at SF. We have no reason not to do a trade for a decent C like Camby.

[D21]

if we have any chance to get Camby, who would start here for Crawford, we should go for it. This team knows how far it can go the way it is( Getting swept in the 2nd round). We desperately need a C. Al is great at PF and Smith has been very good at SF. We have no reason not to do a trade for a decent C like Camby.

If we trade for Camby, you can be sure that it won't be for Crawford.
We are not in DAL, BOS or ORL here.
Instead of getting money, it would cost in Tax, so it could add 5M, and ASG won't pay more than 5M for having Camby.

I don't know if they would, but it only can happen for a Superstar.

Meanwhile, we could try to get Camby (and a pick ?) for Zaza+Marvin. Both are under contract next year, so it should work.

[HMFFL]

Is it safe to say Portland most likely offered us the same package?

ESPN's Ric Bucher wrote on Thursday that he heard the Trail Blazers offered Nicolas Batum and Joel Przybilla in a trade for Andre Iguodala, but the 76ers "didn't bite." Link

[azuresou1]

For Crawford? I hope to hell we didn't turn that package down.

[D21]

Is it safe to say Portland most likely offered us the same package?

ESPN's Ric Bucher wrote on Thursday that he heard the Trail Blazers offered Nicolas Batum and Joel Przybilla in a trade for Andre Iguodala, but the 76ers "didn't bite." Link

No way.
I would also say that if it was the case, Batum seems to play better when starting than coming from the bench, so if we could be lucky enough to get, it would be better to play him at starting SF.
If it's not the plan, it would be an error, at least, if I was the one making the decision, I would think about it, and not make the trade, or trade Marvin in addition.

Batum is also better on motion offense, the more it moves, the more you get from him.
It would make no sense with Woodson, but now with Drew, it's different.