Ginobili did not travel

jeremyd236 · Post #81 » by **jeremyd236** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:49 pm

lawrybeard wrote:I don't think this is a travel in the NBA. In all other forms of basketball it is most definitely a travel. I think the following is a pretty good example of when it happened previously and wasn't called:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm0k2rqEeJQ[/youtube]

For the guys that are saying he took two steps into the stop I disagree.

This is NOT the same thing that Manu did. The "step back" and "hop step" or whatever you want to call it is just a jump stop...anyone who plays basketball knows that.

But Manu's LEFT FOOT touches the ground in the middle of the hop, making it a step. So he stepped and then took another step, in effect. Watch the video, watch his left foot.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #82 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:17 pm

Sekou Smith is one of my favorite guys on twitter. He always responds to me.

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@SekouSmithNBA Watch Ginobli's GW shot again. He pushed off and traveled. Terrible. Bucks get jobbed at the buzzer again

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@brewcitypaul Ginobili does that all the time. Ha. It was a great shot!

He's just laughing about it. So is David Stern probably.

LUKE23 · Post #83 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:19 pm

There are no similarities between the LeBron and Manu clips. LeBron is dribbling into a firm/hard jumpstop and his feet do not move at all. Watch Manu again, that isn't what happened.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #84 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:08 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Apparently the people arguing it wasn't a travel have never played a game of organized basketball in their lives.

no.. its actually that ive just played at a higher level than you. thats a walk in hs and the kiddie camps..... but in college, elite level pro ams, and in american professional leagues, it doesnt get called unless youre 7 feet, you have no rep, and you do it in slow motion.

Nebula1 · Post #85 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:12 pm

Looks like the intention was a jumpstop, but it was not the result of the move. It was a clear travel and I even said it outloud as it happened.

I do understand them not calling it and I'm okay with that during game play, but that one was fairly blatant and should have been waved off after a review. That's why they have a review.

The game should have gone to overtime.

VinBakersDozen · Post #86 » by **VinBakersDozen** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:23 pm

Yeah, that is not allowed.

REDDzone · Post #87 » by **REDDzone** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:24 pm

lmfao. so ridiculously obvious.

ReasonablySober · Post #88 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:27 pm

Hell, it was traveling when I only thought he took three steps. Looking at that GIF it's obvious he took **** four!

smooth 'lil balla · Post #89 » by **smooth 'lil balla** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:28 pm

blatant travel, obvious offensive foul....wasn't surprised nothing was called.

The blocking foul they called on bogut a bit earlier was just as bad.

This is the problem with the NBA. Teams perceived as superior and players perceived as superior are morel likely to get the calls.

With that said, we should have doubled manu at the top and made someone else beat us.

aboveAverage · Post #90 » by **aboveAverage** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:31 pm

After looking at that super slow mo, it was most definitely traveling.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #91 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:32 pm

So when he picks up his dribble, he has 2 feet down, jumps off both feet, lands, then shoots and that is't a travel?

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #92 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:33 pm

Nebula1 wrote:Looks like the intention was a jumpstop, but it was not the result of the move. It was a clear travel and I even said it outloud as it happened.

I do understand them not calling it and I'm okay with that during game play, but that one was fairly blatant and should have been waved off after a review. That's why they have a review.

The game should have gone to overtime.

Can they review penalties? Not sure I like that.

Nebula1 · Post #93 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:34 pm

smooth 'lil balla wrote:This is the problem with the NBA. Teams perceived as superior and players perceived as superior are morel likely to get the calls.

In general, star calls are fine and I think guys fairly earn the benefit of the doubt.

However, they have end of game reviews and the error should have been corrected at that point. I'd rather not hear the whistle in the last seconds and I didn't see an offensive foul. Manu is a great player and it was a nice make, but the travel was made.

The end game review should have been clear. If that were a Playoff game, I would assume we'd get some media support unlike the current situation.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #94 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:39 pm

the more i look at it the more im convinced it wasnt even technically a travel. the dribble was retrieved DURING 2 quick steps, into a jumpstop that was lateral but very clean. it was unorthodox, but fluid, despite mams extending elbow and the resulting contact.

ReasonablySober · Post #95 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:40 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:the more i look at it the more im convinced it wasnt even technically a travel. the dribble was retrieved DURING 2 quick steps, into a jumpstop that was lateral but very clean. it was unorthodox, but fluid, despite mams extending elbow and the resulting contact.

You can't possibly believe the crap you're spewing into your keyboard. It's just not possible.

Nebula1 · Post #96 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:40 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:Looks like the intention was a jumpstop, but it was not the result of the move. It was a clear travel and I even said it outloud as it happened.

I do understand them not calling it and I'm okay with that during game play, but that one was fairly blatant and should have been waved off after a review. That's why they have a review.

The game should have gone to overtime.

Can they review penalties? Not sure I like that.

I don't know the official rule on that, but they should have waved it off. I don't think it was that close. If they aren't able to call a travel after a review, then that is something that should be changed.

Nebula1 · Post #97 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:40 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:the more i look at it the more im convinced it wasnt even technically a travel. the dribble was retrieved DURING 1-1/2 quick steps, into a jumpstop that was lateral but very clean. it was unorthodox, but fluid, despite mams extending elbow and the resulting contact.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #98 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:43 pm

Nebula1 wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:the more i look at it the more im convinced it wasnt even technically a travel. the dribble was retrieved DURING 1-1/2 quick steps, into a jumpstop that was lateral but very clean. it was unorthodox, but fluid, despite mams extending elbow and the resulting contact.

i edited it back to 2 steps. not the 1.5. technically that makes it a travel but the 1.5 to 2 steps is such a judgement call that its irrelevent. it wasnt a travel imo. sorry you guys are so pissed at me.

heybuckfan · Post #99 » by **heybuckfan** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:46 pm

Hopefully this will fuel the bucks fire if anything. :evil:

Dr Pepper · Post #100 » by **Dr Pepper** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:51 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:the more i look at it the more im convinced it wasnt even technically a travel. the dribble was retrieved DURING 2 quick steps, into a jumpstop that was lateral but very clean. it was unorthodox, but fluid, despite mams extending elbow and the resulting contact.

Agreed. It was just a really funky looking move for an already herky-jerky kind of player.