Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[twallbucksfan]

Yeah I figured you guys wouldn't be too thilled about acquiring maggettte but the way I look at it is that you guys get a legit small forward, which would help you guys cause I know you guys are forced to play with a three guard line up at times, and also there are some bucks fans who think you guys would be alittle more enticed to do the deal if a lottery protected 1st round pick was included. I personally dont think its worth to give up a 1st round pick just for Hinrich but for the sake of argument does including the draft pick change your guys opinions at all?

[Dat2U]

I'd be willing to take Maggette of your hands, just hand over the unprotected 1st rounder as well.

[twallbucksfan]

The way I see it is that we are most likely gonna make the playoffs anyways so the pick would probably be in the 18-22 range which means making it an unprotected pick rather than a lottery protected pick makes no difference.

[TGW]

I'd do Maggs and an unprotected pick for Hinrich. I have no faith in the Bucks being good at all this year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I even like Maggette and a second for Kirk.

Maggette gets to the line a lot and converts a high percentage. He has posted PERs in the 20s. Caron never won until he went to Dallas, and played with better teammates.

I think trading a PG would be addition by subtraction. PG would just be Gil or Wall. Nick would grab all Kirk's SG minutes. I think these moves help Flip a bunch.

Last, this deal would be terrific for Iowa boy, Kirk Hinrich. He can help that Midwest team make the playoffs.

[LyricalRico]

I even like Maggette and a second for Kirk.

Maggette gets to the line a lot and converts a high percentage. He has posted PERs in the 20s. Caron never won until he went to Dallas, and played with better teammates.

I think trading a PG would be addition by subtraction. PG would just be Gil or Wall. Nick would grab all Kirk's SG minutes. I think these moves help Flip a bunch.

Last, this deal would be terrific for Iowa boy, Kirk Hinrich. He can help that Midwest team make the playoffs.

Fair points.

We'd only be adding one extra year of salary and even if Maggette's stats are as empty as they appear to be, would he hurt us worse than Kirk at SG is hurting us? If we waited until Howard was healthy and used Maggette purely as the designated 2nd unit scorer, we might end up with a net positive. Heck, put Gil and Maggette both on the bench.

McGee/Seraphin
Blatche/Booker
Howard/Maggette
Young/Arenas
Wall/Arenas

A much more balanced starting lineup and no more scoring droughts when we go to the bench. Of course this does create a dilemma next year of what to do with Maggette since I don't really want him to become the starter.

[nate33]

I just can't fathom this desire to trade for a 12-year vet with a 3 years left on his deal. Especially when it's a guy who hasn't won anywhere he has played. The guy has 290 wins and 420 losses in his career. He's had just one winning season in his career, and it happened to be a season in which he missed 50 games.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I just can't fathom this desire to trade for a 12-year vet with a 3 years left on his deal. Especially when it's a guy who hasn't won anywhere he has played. The guy has 290 wins and 420 losses in his career. He's had just one winning season in his career, and it happened to be a season in which he missed 50 games.

Substitute him for "random shot jacking long-term vet" and I still make this deal.

Once upon a time not long ago Ray Allen was a horrific defender. Ernie had him with Cassell and Payton and Big Dog Robinson. He and Big Dog lost everywhere. Both have title rings now.

For around ten seasons KG teams never got past the first round. Jumpshooting big, not a winner, rarely gets to the line, and lacks toughness were knocks on KG. He was not considered a great defender pre-Thibodeau/Rivers Celtic years.

Maggette might not be all that bad. Regardless, moving Kirk from a team that brought him in for leadershIp but has lost ninety percent of their recent games, and with Kirk a net negative impact player seems very low risk with likely reward IMO.

[nate33]

For around ten seasons KG teams never got past the first round. Jumpshooting big, not a winner, rarely gets to the line, and lacks toughness were knocks on KG. He was not considered a great defender pre-Thibodeau/Rivers Celtic years.

Please. You are going to tell me with a straight face that KG was knocked for his lack of toughness? The only knock on KG was that he wasn't a go-to scorer down the stretch. Other than that, he was practically the perfect basketball player. Nobody blamed KG for the lack of success in Minnesota. It was either his teammates or, ahem, the coaching.

Maggette might not be all that bad. Regardless, moving Kirk from a team that brought him in for leadershIp but has lost ninety percent of their recent games, and with Kirk a net negative impact player seems very low risk with likely reward IMO.

It's a HUGE risk. Maggette blows up any potential free agency plans in 2012.

[LyricalRico]

Maggette blows up any potential free agency plans in 2012.

Why wait? Let's flush everything now.

Wizards trade: Arenas and Blatche
Wizards receive: Jason Richardson and Earl Clark

Suns trade: Richardson, Turkgolu, and Clark
Suns receive: Arenas and Blatche

Cavs trade: TPE
Cavs receive: Turkgolu

Cleveland has a roster built for a ball dominant SF, so Hedo could really regain his game there IMO. Phoenix takes on Arenas in order to get Blatche, who fills a gaping hole at PF for them.

The Wizards get back under the cap this season to do BOYD deals at the deadline. They also completely clear their cap so they can completely start over post-lockout. If the cap rules really do get strict, they are well positioned to help teams get under the new cap for a price. Clark is a throw-in for depth but could still have some upside.

McGee/Armstrong
Seraphin/Booker/Clark
Howard/Thornton
Richardson/Young
Wall/Hinrich

If Seraphin develops quickly that team could make a run in the second half of the season IMO.

[McGully Culkin]

Orlando and Washington are engaged in serious discussions for a trade that would send Gilbert Arenas(notes) to the Magic, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Arenas has privately told people for days that he believes a deal will soon send him to Orlando, where he’ll be reunited with Magic general manager Otis Smith, a friend and mentor from Arenas’ days with the Golden State Warriors. Sources said Orlando has escalated its pursuit of a deal in recent days. After losing five of their past six games, the Magic have shown more urgency to find a perimeter scorer who can help them stay a viable contender in the Eastern Conference.

Still unclear was whether Orlando would send the expiring contract of Vince Carter(notes) as part of the package or build a trade around longer-term contracts, including that of backup center Marcin Gortat(notes), sources said. The Wizards also have been angling to get a first-round pick in return, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... alks121710

imagine if this goes through and Rashard Lewis ISN'T part of the deal???? Wow....

[kirubel94]

guys what would be a fair trade for us?
i say vince carter/and gortat?

[LyricalRico]

guys what would be a fair trade for us?
i say vince carter/and gortat?

That's probably the best case scenario - we get out of Gil's contract and we get a center. We'd have to send another contract, like Yi. But that's not a big deal.

If that's not available, I wouldn't be against Lewis+pick for Arenas. We get the pick because Orlando gets immediate luxtax savings this year and next year.

[klemen4]

Lewis contract is one year shorter, last year only 10 mio guaranteed.

Make it Lewis+Orton+first rounder for Arenas

something like that I expect

[mhd]

Duhon+Pietrus+Gortat works in the TC.

So does Thorton+Yi+Arenas for VC+Gortat

Emotionally, I'll be devestated. Arenas turned this entire franchise around. He's the best player to play on the Wizards in 3 decades. He number should be retired.

[nate33]

Orlando and Washington are engaged in serious discussions for a trade that would send Gilbert Arenas(notes) to the Magic, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Arenas has privately told people for days that he believes a deal will soon send him to Orlando, where he’ll be reunited with Magic general manager Otis Smith, a friend and mentor from Arenas’ days with the Golden State Warriors. Sources said Orlando has escalated its pursuit of a deal in recent days. After losing five of their past six games, the Magic have shown more urgency to find a perimeter scorer who can help them stay a viable contender in the Eastern Conference.

Still unclear was whether Orlando would send the expiring contract of Vince Carter(notes) as part of the package or build a trade around longer-term contracts, including that of backup center Marcin Gortat(notes), sources said. The Wizards also have been angling to get a first-round pick in return, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... alks121710

imagine if this goes through and Rashard Lewis ISN'T part of the deal???? Wow....

I'll be shocked if we trade Arenas and Lewis isn't part of the package.

If EG manages to dump Arenas, avoid taking back Lewis, and also get a first round pick, he's Executive of the Year.

[fugop]

I have tremendous difficulty believing that there will be a hard cap. If there is, current contracts would have to be grandfathered in. Each of the owners has some say in the structure of the salary arrangement; it can't force some, like Orlando's team, into ruin.

The challenge is that the current lux tax is both too hard and too soft. Teams that are only marginally competitive, aside from perhaps Denver, treat the tax as a hard cap. Teams that are realistic contenders ignore the tax completely. This increases the separation between good and bad teams to an extent that diminishes competitive balance. It's much less likely that a mid range team will get their act together for the playoffs and make a deep run, as they just lack the talent. Underperformers get dumped, not stashed while they get their act together. The Knicks run, back in 99 (I think), is much less likely today.

A tiered lux tax is a good idea for addressing this. Eliminating the exclusion of tax-paying teams from the payout, while increasing the actual size of the tax to 1.5x or even 2x could work as well. Teams on the cusp of the tax face a large marginal penalty their first dollar over the tax costs them ~$3 million, or whatever the payout is.

[nate33]

Duhon+Pietrus+Gortat works in the TC.

So does Thorton+Yi+Arenas for VC+Gortat

Emotionally, I'll be devestated. Arenas turned this entire franchise around. He's the best player to play on the Wizards in 3 decades. He number should be retired.

Either one of those deals would be awesome as far as I'm concerned.

A month ago, I'd have been pretty happy about getting Gortat, but now that Seraphin has shown some promise, I'm less enthused. There's not enough room at center for Gortat, Seraphin and McGee; and none of them can play PF.

It doesn't matter though. I figure Gortat is movable. Or maybe that opens up a McGee for Batum trade. If we play our cards right, we could end up with this roster next year:

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Batum
PF Blatche/Booker
C Gortat/Seraphin

Plus a high lotto pick and a TON of cap room when a bunch of teams will be looking to dump salary.

[MJG]

I'd say almost any trade with Orlando where Arenas is our only major piece leaving and we don't take back Lewis is a huge win. I'm not getting my hopes up though; we've heard about this rumor since last year, so who knows what the real deal with it is.

[mattyBoi]

Don't be surprised if the deal is VC for Arenas, I seriously do not trust Otis anymore. Best case for us would be the Gortat/Pietrus/Duhon deal but I don't know how likely that would be.