Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10)

GhostsOfGil · Post #81 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:34 am

Vinsanity420 wrote:MAN, we don't need another Goddamn Chucker. ARGH, The Magic FO just doesn't get it. Maybe they'll get it when Dwight bolts in 2012.

im shocked to see how misinformed the entire nba fan base is on gilberts game.

Error Afflalo · Post #82 » by **Error Afflalo** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:35 am

Trading Gil would be bittersweet, but its probably time. However, I refuse to believe Ernie is giving up Gil for Rashard f'in Lewis. VC I understand (shed $$$, great deal), but Lewis? It makes more sense to let Gil play his way into a better offer, or wait out a new CBA and see if there is a way out of his contract. I know Gil and Wall haven't played well together, but please don't make me watch Rashard Lewis chuck 3's for the next four years. We need a perimeter shooter in the worst way, but not at 20 mil a year.

Ru_Paul · Post #83 » by **Ru_Paul** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:37 am

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
wjun15 wrote:and please ppl, stop throwing up fg % as a measurable statistic. when gil was shooting 40% from the field in his prime, he was among the league leaders in ts% which is a much better measurement for shooting efficiency.

Gil is shooting 50.5% TS% this season, which is awful. He hasn't shot 53%+ since 2006-07.

Ru_Paul · Post #84 » by **Ru_Paul** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:38 am

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
That Nicka wrote:except now his TS is also horrible

yup, but as we all know, ts is seriously effected by ftm/fta. now that gil isnt getting calls, its not a surprise his ts has taken a dip

But even his eFG% is only 46.5% this season. Which is hardly something to boast about.

GhostsOfGil · Post #85 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:39 am

Ru_Paul wrote:
zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
wjun15 wrote:and please ppl, stop throwing up fg % as a measurable statistic. when gil was shooting 40% from the field in his prime, he was among the league leaders in ts% which is a much better measurement for shooting efficiency.

Gil is shooting 50.5% TS% this season, which is awful. He hasn't shot 53%+ since 2006-07.

no argument from me here. gils ts% this year has been AWFUL but as i stated before ts is based on fg%, 3 efficiency and fta/ftm. now there are plenty of stats to indicate gil has been getting the ai treatment for the refs which is a HUGE reason y gils ts has taken a dip

johnwall · Post #86 » by **johnwall** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:44 am

i love how some magic fans go out of their way to defend otis smith and the moves he makes like paying lewis double what he is worth, giving a backup center the full or letting turk walk and trading the farm for vince carter, or giving chris freakin duhon 10 mill, or now looking to trade for an undersized injury prone overpaid chucker who cant guard a chair. svg will just love him lol

gino_giode · Post #87 » by **gino_giode** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:45 am

Hey guys, Alex Kennedy just broke the story--Gil to Orlando is a done deal

Shard going to Wiz, Vince + Gortat for something else

GhostsOfGil · Post #88 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:47 am

gino_giode wrote:Hey guys, Alex Kennedy just broke the story--Gil to Orlando is a done deal

Shard going to Wiz, Vince + Gortat for something else

wiz are screwed for years. sad sad day for wizards fans.

Vinsanity420 · Post #89 » by **Vinsanity420** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:48 am

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
Vinsanity420 wrote:MAN, we don't need another Goddamn Chucker. ARGH, The Magic FO just doesn't get it. Maybe they'll get it when Dwight bolts in 2012.

im shocked to see how misinformed the entire nba fan base is on gilberts game.

What's there to be misinformed about? I have watched him this season and he doesn't have that drive that made him a superstar when a couple years ago. That killer instinct, that quality of taking over games by making unreal shots... that's completely gone. He's 28 and he looks like a 35 year old broken down chucker at the moment. His advance stats support my thoughts on Gil as well. What more is there to say?

GhostsOfGil · Post #90 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:50 am

Vinsanity420 wrote:
zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
Vinsanity420 wrote:MAN, we don't need another Goddamn Chucker. ARGH, The Magic FO just doesn't get it. Maybe they'll get it when Dwight bolts in 2012.

im shocked to see how misinformed the entire nba fan base is on gilberts game.

What's there to be misinformed about? I have watched him this season and he doesn't have that drive that made him a superstar when a couple years ago. That killer instinct, that quality of taking over games by making unreal shots... that's completely gone. He's 28 and he looks like a 35 year old broken down chucker at the moment. His advance stats support my thoughts on Gil as well. What more is there to say?

well hes all urs now. the trade looks to be a done deal. as u will soon see, hes not a chucker. he looks to get his teamates invloved first unless hes told to shoot. as a wizard, he was really mentally effected by the treatment he was getting from the refs. hopefully he will earn some respect by being on a winning team.

That Nicka · Post #91 » by **That Nicka** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:51 am

hmmm.. I think Orlando should have traded Jameer instead of Vince/Gortat.. but we'll see what they get for them... If I had to guess I'd say they are going to the Bobcats

Ru_Paul · Post #92 » by **Ru_Paul** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:52 am

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:no argument from me here. gils ts% this year has been AWFUL but as i stated before ts is based on fg%, 3 efficiency and fta/ftm. now there are plenty of stats to indicate gil has been getting the ai treatment for the refs which is a HUGE reason y gils ts has taken a dip

I haven't watched ARenas much this year, but are you saying he's just getting repeatedly hacked with no fouls called?

Ru_Paul · Post #93 » by **Ru_Paul** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:57 am

And what exactly is the "Allen Iverson treatment"? Iverson averaged 8.9 FTA/game in his NBA career. So it's not like he didn't get calls.

GhostsOfGil · Post #94 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:57 am

Ru_Paul wrote:
zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:no argument from me here. gils ts% this year has been AWFUL but as i stated before ts is based on fg%, 3 efficiency and fta/ftm. now there are plenty of stats to indicate gil has been getting the ai treatment for the refs which is a HUGE reason y gils ts has taken a dip

I haven't watched ARenas much this year, but are you saying he's just getting repeatedly hacked with no fouls called?

sort of. he attacks and draws contact but 9 time out of 10 its a no call which results in a turnover or a missed fga. i mean the stats are all there to prove this. from a guy who used to average 9fta per game, hes down to 3. hes now on a string of 3 straight games where has has gone to the line ZERO times. hes in the bottom of hte list for starting guards in fta per game and even on the defensive end hes averaging 3.5 fpg! only one other guard is in the top 25 for fpg. even our broadcasters repeatedly bring it up and they are known to call the game without any favoritism.

GhostsOfGil · Post #95 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:59 am

Ru_Paul wrote:And what exactly is the "Allen Iverson treatment"? Iverson averaged 8.9 FTA/game in his NBA career. So it's not like he didn't get calls.

its a reference to wat tim donaghy used to call the ai treatment where he said refs would make it a point of emphasis to not call fouls in favor or ai, late in his career.

Vinsanity420 · Post #96 » by **Vinsanity420** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:00 am

That Nicka wrote:hmmm.. I think Orlando should have traded Jameer instead of Vince/Gortat.. but we'll see what they get for them... If I had to guess I'd say they are going to the Bobcats

Nah... at least Nelson can deliver deep in the playoffs every once in a while. Carter has an annoying consistent tendency to disappear... Arenas is untested in that area, we'll see what he does. I wish Gortat weren't involved, though.

GhostsOfGil · Post #97 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:03 am

Vinsanity420 wrote:
That Nicka wrote:hmmm.. I think Orlando should have traded Jameer instead of Vince/Gortat.. but we'll see what they get for them... If I had to guess I'd say they are going to the Bobcats

Nah... at least Nelson can deliver deep in the playoffs every once in a while. Carter has an annoying consistent tendency to disappear... Arenas is untested in that area, we'll see what he does. I wish Gortat weren't involved, though.

u obviously have never seen gil in the playoffs.

i dont know about now, but when gil battled lebron head to head, gil was putting up ridiculous numbers and hit a few HUGE shots. also had a huge serious against chicago where he hit the game winner and brought the wiz back to win the serious when they were down 2 games to 0. holy sh*t its a sad day to be a wizards fan

Vinsanity420 · Post #98 » by **Vinsanity420** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:05 am

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
u obviously have never seen gil in the playoffs. i dont know about now, but when gil battled lebron head to head, gil was putting up ridiculous numbers and hit a few HUGE shots. also had a huge serious against chicago where he hit the game winner and brought the wiz back to win the serious when they were down 2 games to 0. holy sh*t its a sad day to be a wizards fan

That was prime Gil, not the Gil now :wink:

GhostsOfGil · Post #99 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:09 am

Vinsanity420 wrote:
zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
u obviously have never seen gil in the playoffs. i dont know about now, but when gil battled lebron head to head, gil was putting up ridiculous numbers and hit a few HUGE shots. also had a huge serious against chicago where he hit the game winner and brought the wiz back to win the serious when they were down 2 games to 0. holy sh*t its a sad day to be a wizards fan

That was prime Gil, not the Gil now

touche, but i think when the playoffs start, u will be surprised to see how fierce of a competitor he can still be... but i guess only time will tell... one thing i know for sure, gil loves ballin, and has ridiculously intense work ethic.

gino_giode · Post #100 » by **gino_giode** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:16 am

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:
Ru_Paul wrote:And what exactly is the "Allen Iverson treatment"? Iverson averaged 8.9 FTA/game in his NBA career. So it's not like he didn't get calls.

its a reference to wat tim donaghy used to call the ai treatment where he said refs would make it a point of emphasis to not call fouls in favor or ai, late in his career.

We aren't surprised by our guards not getting calls. Ask any Magic fan, Vince got shafted many times on drives. Especially in the playoffs vs Boston.