Gilbert to Orlando heating up

fefe22 · Post #801 » by **fefe22** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:51 am

I think it would be great if we could really pull off Shard for Arenas.

I don't think Arenas + Nelson in a backcourt is a good idea though.
If we get Arenas, he should be our starting PG.

Therefore I would try to include Nelson instead of VC in the other deal.

Nelson, Gortat, Anderson and either Redick or Pietrus should be the ones leaving, and we should upgrade both the starting SF and PF positions.

Hotshot Hower · Post #802 » by **Hotshot Hower** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:00 pm

heck, i'll try to be the night ranger. LOL

Nothing "official" or imminent (yet) :wink:

How many times can a man Crtl F5 in a night? Holy fricken crap.

gino_giode · Post #803 » by **gino_giode** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:01 pm

fefe22 wrote:I think it would be great if we could really pull off Shard for Arenas.

I don't think Arenas + Nelson in a backcourt is a good idea though.
If we get Arenas, he should be our starting PG.

Therefore I would try to include Nelson instead of VC in the other deal.

Nelson, Gortat, Anderson and either Redick or Pietrus should be the ones leaving, and we should upgrade both the starting SF and PF positions.

Agree. To max out Arenas, you literally put the ball in his hands ALL the time as a PG, to either score for himself, get it to the other guys, etc.

But as a SG on this team, he still will go through stretches where Jameer dominates the ball, and then he becomes a catch-and-shoot guy.

Sure it works if he shoots at a high clip, but if he's also a rhythm volume shooter, he'll need the ball too or else he'll be ineffective come the 4th.

The only reason I can't see Jameer being shipped is that Dwight loves him and Otis drafted him.
But then again, Otis signed Rashard--so it gives me hope that he's not totally blinded by loyalty.

Gil as a ball dominant PG is actually a better facilitator than Jameer anyways. In his whole career, Meer's highest assist total is 14. Gil hits that in his sleep on this team.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I like Gil on this team, only if Meer isn't the PG

Hotshot Hower · Post #804 » by **Hotshot Hower** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:05 pm

gino_giode wrote:
fefe22 wrote:I think it would be great if we could really pull off Shard for Arenas.

I don't think Arenas + Nelson in a backcourt is a good idea though.
If we get Arenas, he should be our starting PG.

Therefore I would try to include Nelson instead of VC in the other deal.

Nelson, Gortat, Anderson and either Redick or Pietrus should be the ones leaving, and we should upgrade both the starting SF and PF positions.

Agree. To max out Arenas, you literally put the ball in his hands ALL the time as a PG, to either score for himself, get it to the other guys, etc.

But as a SG on this team, he still will go through stretches where Jameer dominates the ball, and then he becomes a catch-and-shoot guy.

Sure it works if he shoots at a high clip, but if he's also a rhythm volume shooter, he'll need the ball too or else he'll be ineffective come the 4th.

The only reason I can't see Jameer being shipped is that Dwight loves him and Otis drafted him.
But then again, Otis signed Rashard--so it gives me hope that he's not totally blinded by loyalty.

Gil as a ball dominant PG is actually a better facilitator than Jameer anyways. In his whole career, Meer's highest assist total is 14. Gil hits that in his sleep on this team.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I like Gil on this team, only if Meer isn't the PG

Couldn't of said it any better myself. :wink:

MoMM · Post #805 » by **MoMM** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:16 pm

I like this Gil for Lewis trade, probably the Wizards will demand Orton, Ryan or a future 1st, which is worthless, cuz we never draft anyone good.

As for trading Carter and Gortat, trading them for Melo would be a dream come true, but it wont happen, IMO. Maybe if we wait until trade deadline, but i dont think we can wait until it.

Getting Hedo? Come on, no way we will trade for him and his big contract after getting Arenas and his bigger contract.

Maybe a trade for Camby could come, IMO.

BelgianMagic · Post #806 » by **BelgianMagic** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:22 pm

I think if Otis can trade Lewis & Carter away from this team, lotta people will take back what they've said bout him .. He deserves lotta credit if he can indeed trade the most untradeable contract

Even if it's for Gil, who will play like his old self here, I'd put money on that ..

MoMM · Post #807 » by **MoMM** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:30 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:I think if Otis can trade Lewis & Carter away from this team, lotta people will take back what they've said bout him .. He deserves lotta credit if he can indeed trade the most untradeable contract Even if it's for Gil, who will play like his old self here, I'd put money on that ..

Trading Lewis for future considerations would already be a great job, imagine for Arenas. I really think Arenas can be a 23ppg playing for us (considering Melo wont come and he would be the 1st option along with D12).

Chris1455 · Post #808 » by **Chris1455** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:35 pm

Here is Channel 6 report

http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/26180075/detail.html

MoMM · Post #809 » by **MoMM** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:42 pm

Chris1455 wrote:Here is Channel 6 report

http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/26180075/detail.html

I dont think that makes any sense to the Suns trading JRich for Carter.

gino_giode · Post #810 » by **gino_giode** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:42 pm

lol WTF? If Vince isn't involved in Arenas trade, most likely Gortat and a pick? That makes no sense...

Most on this thread have already cited Ping as not credible.
It has to be Shard. They have Young who will be a good SG, but their SF spot is weak.

MoMM · Post #811 » by **MoMM** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:42 pm

gino_giode wrote:lol WTF? If Vince isn't involved in Arenas trade, most likely Gortat and a pick? That makes no sense...

Most on this thread have already cited Ping as not credible.
It has to be Shard. They have Young who will be a good SG, but their SF spot is weak.

Gortat and pick doesnt even match the sallaries.

Future Coach · Post #812 » by **Future Coach** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:50 pm

I mentioned this a few pages back, but if you guys get Arenas he should not be paired with Nelson in the back court as it would be a matchup nightmare in the playoffs trying to defend Allen/Wade/Kobe. Plus both players need the ball in their hands to be effective.

If it's Lewis for Arenas, then you should try to move Nelson and Carter for Stephen Jackson & Diaw + filler. That would leave you with Howard, Arenas, Jackson, Diaw as starters and then you could toss in any of your other wings to start alongside, or go big and put in Bass and slide Diaw to SF. As a Bulls fan I'd be pissed you will still knock us out of the playoffs, but as a Howard fan I'd like to see him stay happy and be a Magic for his whole career... unless of course he wants to come over to the Bulls

BelgianMagic · Post #813 » by **BelgianMagic** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:03 pm

Yeah we would have capspace the year dwight's FA if we flip Lewis for Arenas .. That is if Arenas doesn't take his player option

ADRajX · Post #814 » by **ADRajX** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:06 pm

I'm just curious though... if the magic do end up with Arenas and J-Rich+some other player (let's assume Lewis goes to Washington and VC/Gortat go to Phoenix)... what happens to Nelson?

Does he move to the bench in favor of Arenas starting PG (because Arenas is much better at that spot)? Or does Orlando have a starting backcourt with Nelson and Arenas (at SG)? Or does Nelson get traded elsewhere as well?

Honestly, I would keep him, and have him play with the 2nd unit and be our 6th man, and have a starting line-up of

Arenas/Nelson/Williams/Duhon
JRich/Redick/???
QRich/Pietrus/???
Bass/Anderson/???
Howard/Allen/Orton

Someone earlier made mention of a VC/Gortat/Nelson trade to Denver for Melo/Billups on here; if Nelson can be packaged with VC (and Gortat) or separately for another trade that nets us another big addition, I would do it, if it fits and the option was available

BelgianMagic · Post #815 » by **BelgianMagic** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:06 pm

@stevekylerNBA
Morning Text Messages --- Magic looking at Arenas, Jason Richardson and even Hedo Turkoglu -- most interest is in Jason Richardson

cb1115 · Post #816 » by **cb1115** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:07 pm

I wonder why ESPN hasn't picked up any of this? Nothing on their website, and nothing on Sportcenter this morning.

ADRajX · Post #817 » by **ADRajX** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:09 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:
@stevekylerNBA
Morning Text Messages --- Magic looking at Arenas, Jason Richardson and even Hedo Turkoglu -- most interest is in Jason Richardson

OH! Hedo is involved? wow, ok everything makes sense now all of a sudden

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3xp5oyd

Now that's so flippin obvious, that's the only way to get those 3 players

But why get Hedo back? But I do like acquiring JRich and Arenas (especially for getting rid of Carter and Lewis)

But it goes back to my previous post question... what happens to Nelson?

PG- Arenas/Nelson/Williams/Duhon
SG- J-Rich/Redick
SF- Hedo/Q-Rich/Pietrus
PF- Bass/Anderson
C - Howard/Allen/Orton

corwin · Post #818 » by **corwin** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:10 pm

Mr David Stern wrote:igoudala is not coming to orlando, i will say for the last time!!!! if he is traded it will be to either toronto or cleveland for the TPE they got from miami, that is more valuable than an expiring alone becuase they dont have to pay the player traded to them for the current season.

It would be nice to get assets for Iguodala but getting rid of Brand & Iggy in a trade for expirings gives the team a real chance to build a championship team sooner rather than later. I think if Orlando trades Lewis for Arenas & then turns around and offers Carter and Gortat for Brand & Iguodala, Philly has to make that deal.

arsenal6106 · Post #819 » by **arsenal6106** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:14 pm

ive never really seen jrich play. I know he can shoot the deep ball, but is he slasher?

radrmd216 · Post #820 » by **radrmd216** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:17 pm

I was just about to post a Brand and Iggy trade after the Magic trade for Arenas, so it's good I'm not the only one who still thinks it would make some sense. If Arenas come regain some of his scoring ability Iggy would be a very good player next to him. The Magic would also still have Nelson to keep or use as a trade chip.