Suns shopping Turkoglu...Orlando/Washington Trade Rumor

PhxSunsFan13 · Post #101 » by **PhxSunsFan13** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:40 pm

Evan Dunlap: Heard from a source: "70-80 percent" the Magic make a trade "with major pieces" _tomorrow_. Would not confirm or deny Arenas' involvement. Twitter

- Hoopshype.com

airReacker · Post #102 » by **airReacker** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:41 pm

Reverse_Angle wrote:I believe Hedo's wife and kid still spend majority of their time in Orlando.

Home my sweet home....

Kyler: "Otis Smith apparently confirmed talks at an "8" to RealGM's Jarrod Rudolph at shoot around... source say a deal could drop today."

RaisingArizona · Post #103 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:43 pm

Wormwood74 wrote:If someone offers you Gortat, Anderson, and VC for JRich and Hedo, you have to take that and run like hell. It solves our C and PF problems, unloads the less than worthless Hedo, and frees up a cubic butt ton of cap space next year. Of, and it probably is enough to get us into the playoffs this year...

Yep. Sounds like we could do a quick rebuild and be back in it next year.

airReacker · Post #104 » by **airReacker** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:43 pm

swe_suns wrote:why isn't coro saying something about this on twitter?

He sees himself as "Official Guy" :lol:

Post #105 » by **Miklo** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:44 pm

swe_suns wrote:why isn't coro saying something about this on twitter?

Coro is typically a little more conservative with this stuff, he doesn't buy into hype or rumors until he's actually heard something himself

RocPHX · Post #106 » by **RocPHX** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:46 pm

airReacker wrote:
RocPHX wrote:Rashard f*ckin lewis? We trade one useless 6'10 guy with huge contract and get one back with an even bigger contract? That better not happen.

I think Rashard will stay there. Vince has killed their successful style and Shard was no1 victim of this project. Actually, Once they get Vince a year ago they thought Hedo would stayed there but they couldnt played well in contract extension talks. They tried to get Hedo back from Toronto's hand in this off season but talks went no where. So, Shard's medicine is Hedo. Hedo's medicine is SVG. Now do not think too much about Shard. sleep well.

I needed this, thank you. :lol:

tigerblood · Post #107 » by **tigerblood** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:47 pm

take it and run....enjoy the additional cap room next year

Post #108 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:59 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Calvin Klein wrote:this looks awful.

Getting two bigs and a wing for 2 wings?? Whats wrong with that, especially since VC is an expiring?

Gortat could play PF next to Lopez. he is hella athletic and explosive. I wouldn't mind seeing Gortat PnR. If not that, we could have super depth at Center and 2 stretch 4 plus Warrick. We could put Clark in the SF rotation or for you Clark haters, we could put JChill there.

I'm all for bringing Gortat here and getting rid of Hedo. But I don't want to swap JRich for Carter.

I don't think our FO wants to either but that might be what it takes to get the deal done. Either that or take on Duhon's contract...and I'd much rather do that just to keep the chemistry going.

Good story: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/ ... to-orlando

http://arizona.sbnation.com/phoenix-sun ... o-turkoglu

Seth Pollack wrote:What's seems to be clear is the Suns' understanding that they put together an unbalanced roster with the moves Robert Sarver made this summer. We've heard Gentry say as much recently with statements about hard it is to play five guys at two positions. His frustration has led to a variety of rotation tinkering.

Messing with chemistry

At this point, losing Turkoglu probably wouldn't upset too many people in the locker room, as he's not been here that long. Swapping Richardson for Carter, however, could create a potential chemistry crisis that might be the final straw for Steve Nash, who's repeatedly expressed his frustration at the lack of stability on the team over the past several years. For that reason alone, it might be worth it for the Suns to swallow Duhon's contract for the chance to replace Turkoglu with Gortat.

The combination of Gortat and Lopez would suddenly give the Suns much-needed depth at the center position and more versatility in how the team matches up against some of the bigger teams in the West. Gortat is signed through 2013-14 season and has the combination of mobility and size that the Suns covet in their bigs.

Gortat has improved his mid-range game this season and is a guy who has shown the ability to catch and finish on the pick-and-roll, although he doesn't get many touches in the Magic system. Having Gortat on the roster would also take some of the pressure off the 22-year-old Lopez to carry all of the defensive and big man responsibilities alone.

Moving Turkoglu opens up space in the rotation for Josh Childress to play his natural small forward position and could even increase opportunities for Earl Clark, who continues to show signs of improvement.

However, if the Suns give up on Turkoglu too soon they could regret the loss of his clutch shooting and playmaking ability down the road when and if Grant Hill (38) and Steve Nash (36) aren't both able to play big minutes. Hill's contract expires at the end of this season and Nash has one year remaining. Hedo could be a long-term insurance policy for either guy if he and Goran Dragic are able to workout a good court chemistry.

airReacker · Post #109 » by **airReacker** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:59 pm

RocPHX wrote:
airReacker wrote:
RocPHX wrote:Rashard f*ckin lewis? We trade one useless 6'10 guy with huge contract and get one back with an even bigger contract? That better not happen.

I think Rashard will stay there. Vince has killed their successful style and Shard was no1 victim of this project. Actually, Once they get Vince a year ago they thought Hedo would stayed there but they couldnt played well in contract extension talks. They tried to get Hedo back from Toronto's hand in this off season but talks went no where. So, Shard's medicine is Hedo. Hedo's medicine is SVG. Now do not think too much about Shard. sleep well.

I needed this, thank you.

I think Shard is the best model for some fans who repeatedly brings contract and production ratio on the table. Yeah he may have worst contract of the entire NBA but It shows how truth the "SYSTEM comes first" idea is. Go and ask Magic Fans about Shard, you cant hear one negative things although they know they are paying him that much.

RocPHX · Post #110 » by **RocPHX** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:03 pm

airReacker wrote:
I think Shard is the best model for some fans who repeatedly brings contract and production ratio on the table. Yeah he may have worst contract of the entire NBA but It shows how truth the "SYSTEM comes first" idea. Go and ask Magic Fans about Shard, you cant hear one negative things although they know they are paying him that much.

Every magic fan I know hates rashard actually..lol

Risensun · Post #111 » by **Risensun** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:12 pm

1st off acquiring Carter for Richardson is a huge downgrade. Richardson is expiring and one of the only bright spots of this season. 2nd, this trade doesn't really solve are weakness at pf. Hedo is pretty much worthless to the suns but no point in including JRich unless we get better.

Post #112 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:14 pm

Risensun wrote:1st off acquiring Carter for Richardson is a huge downgrade. Richardson is expiring and one of the only bright spots of this season. 2nd, this trade doesn't really solve are weakness at pf. Hedo is pretty much worthless to the suns but no point in including JRich unless we get better.

Well, Gortat would allow us to play Frye at starting PF(and Frye has been balling as a starter.)

Nobody wants to give up J-Rich but that might be the price to unload Hedo's contract

PhxSunsFan13 · Post #113 » by **PhxSunsFan13** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:18 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2cee8nu

RocPHX · Post #114 » by **RocPHX** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:18 pm

Risensun wrote:1st off acquiring Carter for Richardson is a huge downgrade. Richardson is expiring and one of the only bright spots of this season. 2nd, this trade doesn't really solve are weakness at pf. Hedo is pretty much worthless to the suns but no point in including JRich unless we get better.

I agree..

Post #115 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:21 pm

So this is like the ideal trade I think we want going by the responses in the thread:

Hedo for Bass and Gortat
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2bre3zs

However, Orlando is not stupid. They're taking on two terrible contracts in Arenas/Hedo, so they're going to want to dump a contract in return.

So they'll probably try to force Wince on us in exchange for J-Rich(Hedo and Rich for Gortat and Carter)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=25jxll7

If the Blabby is smart, he'll counter with Hedo for Gortat+Duhon's turrible contract. Helps Orlando out financially, gets them their man Hedo, etc.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2g2u4vz

And I think that's the state of things right now.

Post #116 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:24 pm

rsavaj wrote:
Risensun wrote:1st off acquiring Carter for Richardson is a huge downgrade. Richardson is expiring and one of the only bright spots of this season. 2nd, this trade doesn't really solve are weakness at pf. Hedo is pretty much worthless to the suns but no point in including JRich unless we get better.

Well, Gortat would allow us to play Frye at starting PF(and Frye has been balling as a starter.)

Nobody wants to give up J-Rich but that might be the price to unload Hedo's contract

If there was a way to unload Hedo without giving up JRich, taking on Vince Carter, acquiring Gortat, I am all for it.
Hedo, Gani Lawal, 1st Round Pick

for

Gortat, Pietrus

I am willing to give up another first round pick (12th-16th) to unload Hedo, giving the Suns huge cap relief this offseason. We could even buyout Pietrus, and let him go back to the Magic so we don't have this logjam at SF still.

Post #117 » by **Miklo** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:24 pm

rsavaj wrote:So this is like the ideal trade I think we want going by the responses in the thread:

Hedo for Bass and Gortat
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2bre3zs

However, Orlando is not stupid. They're taking on two terrible contracts in Arenas/Hedo, so they're going to want to dump a contract in return.

So they'll probably try to force Wince on us in exchange for J-Rich(Hedo and Rich for Gortat and Carter)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=25jxll7

If the Blabby is smart, he'll counter with Hedo for Gortat+Duhon's turrible contract. Helps Orlando out financially, gets them their man Hedo, etc.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2g2u4vz

And I think that's the state of things right now.

I like that last idea, Duhon would do quite well here. I know this is a dirty phrase but it could even open the door for a Nash trade, if we could leverage Nash for a young-ish, dominant big.

Post #118 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:29 pm

Miklo wrote:
rsavaj wrote:So this is like the ideal trade I think we want going by the responses in the thread:

Hedo for Bass and Gortat
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2bre3zs

However, Orlando is not stupid. They're taking on two terrible contracts in Arenas/Hedo, so they're going to want to dump a contract in return.

So they'll probably try to force Wince on us in exchange for J-Rich(Hedo and Rich for Gortat and Carter)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=25jxll7

If the Blabby is smart, he'll counter with Hedo for Gortat+Duhon's turrible contract. Helps Orlando out financially, gets them their man Hedo, etc.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2g2u4vz

And I think that's the state of things right now.

I like that last idea, Duhon would do quite well here. I know this is a dirty phrase but it could even open the door for a Nash trade, if we could leverage Nash for a young-ish, dominant big.

I think we'd actually be competitive with Gortat and Duhon. When Nash got injured, we saw Goran starting and Dudley playing backup PG(which was so, so, SO turrible). This way we're 3 deep at Nash's position, and we can really take some wear/tear off him.

So I guess our lineup would be:

Nash/Duhon
Richardson/Chilly
Hill/Dudley
Frye/Warrick/Barron/Clark/Lawal
Lopez/Gortat/Siler

lol at our PF position looking so deep. Clear example of quality, not quantity.

RaisingArizona · Post #119 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:31 pm

Barron would be cut and you didn't add the Dragon to your depth chart lol

KopLegend · Post #120 » by **KopLegend** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:31 pm

rsavaj wrote:
Miklo wrote:
rsavaj wrote:So this is like the ideal trade I think we want going by the responses in the thread:

Hedo for Bass and Gortat
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2bre3zs

However, Orlando is not stupid. They're taking on two terrible contracts in Arenas/Hedo, so they're going to want to dump a contract in return.

So they'll probably try to force Wince on us in exchange for J-Rich(Hedo and Rich for Gortat and Carter)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=25jxll7

If the Blabby is smart, he'll counter with Hedo for Gortat+Duhon's turrible contract. Helps Orlando out financially, gets them their man Hedo, etc.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2g2u4vz

And I think that's the state of things right now.

I like that last idea, Duhon would do quite well here. I know this is a dirty phrase but it could even open the door for a Nash trade, if we could leverage Nash for a young-ish, dominant big.

I think we'd actually be competitive with Gortat and Duhon. When Nash got injured, we saw Goran starting and Dudley playing backup PG(which was so, so, SO turrible). This way we're 3 deep at Nash's position, and we can really take some wear/tear off him.

So I guess our lineup would be:

Nash/Duhon
Richardson/Chilly
Hill/Dudley
Frye/Warrick/Barron/Clark/Lawal
Lopez/Gortat/Siler

lol at our PF position looking so deep. Clear example of quality, not quantity.

You'd play Duhon over Dragic? really?