Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10)

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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#181 » by _venom_ » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:08 pm

It the trades are:

Hedo/Jrich for Carter/Gortat

and

Arenas for Lewis

Then the only team I like the trade for is Phoenix. They manage to move Hedo's useless corpse and his horrible contract for a big expiring in Carter and a serviceable center in Gortat. Losing JRich doesn't really mean much in the grandscheme of things considering Phoenix isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Washington just replaces one horrendous contract with another horrendous contract. It does help clear up some of their guard overlap though.

The Magic lose one horrendous contract (Lewis) and bring in 2 others (Arenas, Hedo). The Magic are going to be in real danger of losing Howard after this experiment explodes in their face which it will. They don't stand a chance against Boston and Miami in the East.
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Post#182 » by AIfan3 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:09 pm

They must be hoping for something "Magical" (pun intended) with the CBA this offseason.

Taking back Hedo's and Arenas contract ? I fail to see how it makes them better. They need a playmaker first and foremost before anything..
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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#183 » by Wade2k6 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:10 pm

AIfan3 wrote:LOL @ Hedo going back to Orlando. I guess they want his AND arenas's contract. Heck, why trade Rashard at all ? Make the Magics that all bad contracts team..

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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#184 » by SweetTouch » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:10 pm

Jason Richardson will be the new Carter - standing waiting at the 3 point line. How many of these players do the magic want lol

Hedo is done. Otis just made it clear hes been exposed and should be fired immediately if he takes hik back.
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Post#185 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:11 pm

LOL at everyone saying Hedo was untradeable
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Post#186 » by GhostsOfGil » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:11 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:I am thinking maybe this could be one of the trade packages... with picks added in.

Change in Team Outlook: -14.2 ppg, -6.1 rpg, and -5.2 apg.
Incoming Players
Rashard Lewis
6-10 SF from Alief Elsik (HS)
12.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.2 apg in 32.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona
17.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 5.6 apg in 34.6 minutes
Yi Jianlian
7-0 PF from China
6.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.3 minutes
Hilton Armstrong
6-10 C from Connecticut
2.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes


Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz18UYZ9LQ4


this isnt so bad. i was worried blatche would be involved but i could live with this
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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#187 » by Sinant » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:12 pm

I can't wait for the Magic to get Joe Johnson next year.
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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#188 » by _venom_ » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:12 pm

Phoenix might actually be better with:

Nash/Carter/Hill/Warrick/Gortat

and Dragic/Childress/Dudley/Frye/Lopez off the bench. They won't get crushed on the glass as badly and might actually have some defensive paint presence now.
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Post#189 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:14 pm

On the one hand, this all but assures Dwight Howard leaves Orlando in 2 years. So that's good.

On the other hand, he may go somewhere like Chicago and make them dominant. So that's bad.

Not sure how I feel about all this. Its like the Cavs situation... people kept rooting for Cleveland to get stuck in 2nd gear... and when it happened, LeBron went and formed the most stacked team of all time. They probably regret that now and wish Cleveland had been a little better so he would've stayed.

I'd rather Dwight and Orlando stay just good and flexible enough that he stays there, than he go team up with guys in Chicago or New York or something.
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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#190 » by GhostsOfGil » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:14 pm

MrMichaelLee#Wizards are only interested in dealing Gilbert Arenas; They do not want to include other pieces, as source told me: http://wapo.st/fOY1t5
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Post#191 » by Flash3 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:15 pm

So much for Otis Smith coming out in the media and stating that his 12 players were better than Miami's 3.

Kinda ironic when you look at the barrel of moves that are being reported at the moment, especially considered it's around their main options.
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Post#192 » by lukekarts » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:16 pm

I actually think JRich would be good for Orlando, but not Turkey or Arenas as well.
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Post#193 » by Sinant » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:17 pm

Question for Magic Fans: If you get Arenas, Hedo AND J-Rich, what happens to Jameer Nelson?

I'm guessing J-Rich wouldn't get bench duties, so the starting backcourt would be Arenas-Rich-Hedo.
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Post#194 » by SweetTouch » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:17 pm

You know I never thought a team would do a worse job than the cavs at keeping their star player.

Otis smith I AM A WITNESS
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Re: Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10) 

Post#195 » by blkout » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:17 pm

Richardson's a really good player. No idea wtf they're thinking with their other moves though.
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Post#196 » by AIfan3 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:18 pm

Everyone knew Orlando was gonna do something, Carter just doesn't have the aggressive "I'm taking over" mentality that they lacked. Arenas has it.. Or had it.. Arenas might rejuvenate his career in Orlando, so we'll see
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Post#197 » by Storm Surge » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:19 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:LOL at everyone saying Hedo was untradeable

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Post#198 » by droponov » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:20 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:I really question if adding Hedo, Richardson, and Arenas is a good idea. All the guys need the ball to be effective, which limits Howard's post progress. He has really made significant steps to be the total package. I am not sure if those three players would be ok being stand still shooters at this point of their careers. I also wonder who this big is going to be that would have to be added from Washington.


Richardson doesn't need the ball to be effective, actually at this point of his career he may be better off-the-ball.

Howard surrounded by shooters is what they have now, it isn't working and it will never work. Howard isn't Hakeem and 2010 isn't the mid-90s. Orlando lacks enough shot-creation in their perimeter/supporting cast to contend for a title. They need to do something.

Now, if an Arenas+Richardson+Hedo backcourt will do it? I doubt it, I'd take it over their current situation in the backcourt. They need to find someone to replace Gortat/Lewis though. Howard+Bass+Anderson+a bit of Hedo is not enough. They need another rotational big.
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Post#199 » by Wilford Brimley » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:20 pm

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Full deal: Phx sends Hedo/J Rich/Earl Clark to Orlando for Vince/Gortat/Pietrus, 2011 first round pick and cash considerations, sources say


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Post#200 » by Wilford Brimley » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:20 pm

^PHX = bandits for trading Hedo's contract for Gortat!

Vince/Nash could be interesting?

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