Going for it ( like Orlando!)

[geeman]

Guys, I like what I see from our team this year. Coach seem to be playing a lot more combos, I don’t see us better than the 5th best team in the east! Saying that should we maybe roll the dice and while Marvin his hot look to move him for a center? I know I’m going to get killed for saying this, but I would love to get the right to Odem (even if he is hurt). Big risk-reward, but next year a front line of al, josh and Oden! With Teague and JJ would be nice!

[theatlfan]

I agree with the gist of this, but I just don't see Oden as the key. I think people would swallow hard in offering the MLE so forth the QO that a #1 overall pick gets.

Still, they are guys out there who could fill what you're looking for. With Wilkins getting some burn, I wouldn't mind shipping Marvin for a serviceable SF + an upgrade elsewhere. C seems the most likely position, but teams are reluctant to part with decent 5's. I'd throw an idea or 2 out there, but I really don't know who'd like Marvin enough to make a stab at him...

[parson]

Oden is a huuuuge gamble, pardon the pun. He's apparently going to be fragile the remainder of his basketball career ... AND he will require a $9 million qualifying offer to retain after this year, all while we won't know if he's healthy until after we pay him - this year and next.

But I agree that beating ORL demands a center to allow Horford to move to PF.
And that moves Smoove to SF.
And that makes Marvelous the odd man out.

But what center would we get for him?

Maybe a 2nd stringer type center would be better, so that we occasionally play big and go back to the old way the rest of the time.

[Harry10]

Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, and Elliot Williams for Jamal and Marvin

i think if the Blazers are planing to rebuild, they will use Oden to try to get rid of one of their bad contracts like Roy's

[ATL DirtyBird]

Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, and Elliot Williams for Jamal and Marvin

i think if the Blazers are planing to rebuild, they will use Oden to try to get rid of one of their bad contracts like Roy's

They wouldnt go near that deal

[HoopsGuru25]

Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, and Elliot Williams for Jamal and Marvin

i think if the Blazers are planing to rebuild, they will use Oden to try to get rid of one of their bad contracts like Roy's

Oden being involved in the trade is pointless as there's no way the Hawks could afford his QO. It's also not like Portland is dying to save money either.

[parson]

Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, and Elliot Williams for Jamal and Marvin

i think if the Blazers are planing to rebuild, they will use Oden to try to get rid of one of their bad contracts like Roy's

Read the Trail Blazers' board, they think Roy may never be more than a shadow of his former self. Add in that Oden may never play again and that we're depending on Jamal's expiring to offset Horford's raise, and this deal might kill us.

Let me put it this way: I believe they'd take Marvelous for Roy straight up.

[MaceCase]

Let's look at it differently, our division rival just traded for two ball dominant players that have rather comically large contracts and then another guard gunning for a new contract. What they have on their team already are a PG and backup SG making 7 mil each, a backup PG with 4 years and 13 mil on his deal then another G/F with 10 mil left on his deal and no backup center...We happen to have a team with questionable PGs and 4 Centers.....

Trade Zaza and Mo for Jameer Nelson.

We can wish upon a star forever for a true center worth **** but this is a PG league with an overabundance of them on every team but ours. The Magic have over 30 mil invested in their PG position over many years with guys that demand the ball, somethings got to give. We got a cheap, productive, playoff tested veteran on our bench that fills a position of need for them and they have a guy that can shoot, slash, pass, and defend at his position. Zaza will never again be worth this much. If there's any possibility of this I make the move and don't look back.

[Hawkamanic81]

You do realize that were over 1/4th of the way through the season and all they beate is Orlando (suffering from flu problems) once.

And yet, you like what you see? lol

I'd sure hate to be you.

[HoopsGuru25]

Let's look at it differently, our division rival just traded for two ball dominant players that have rather comically large contracts and then another guard gunning for a new contract. What they have on their team already are a PG and backup SG making 7 mil each, a backup PG with 4 years and 13 mil on his deal then another G/F with 10 mil left on his deal and no backup center...We happen to have a team with questionable PGs and 4 Centers.....

Trade Zaza and Mo for Jameer Nelson.

We can wish upon a star forever for a true center worth **** but this is a PG league with an overabundance of them on every team but ours. The Magic have over 30 mil invested in their PG position over many years with guys that demand the ball, somethings got to give. We got a cheap, productive, playoff tested veteran on our bench that fills a position of need for them and they have a guy that can shoot, slash, pass, and defend at his position. Zaza will never again be worth this much. If there's any possibility of this I make the move and don't look back.

If the Magic were to put Nelson on the market for nothing(which is what Zaza and Mo are worth)...wouldn't they trade him to a team outside of their division?

[MaceCase]

Otis Smith used to boast about having great center depth in a league where plenty teams have none, now he has one, only one. Rather than pointing out the painfully obvious why don't you try to open yourself to discussion seeing as this is the purpose of the site? Orlando clearly made "win now" moves and right now that roster is tremendously flawed. They need a big that can contribute right away and all the veterans worth a damn are signed in Boston, all the big body bums are signed in Miami and seeing as they are in "win now" mode they can't rely on raw prospects like Orton. Now scour the league, look hard at the exact same problem that we've had and even started this thread with and tell me how easy it will be for the Magic to gain a big rotation worth a damn outside of one man with at least 25 other teams trying to accomplish the same feat? They may get desperate and have to bite the bullet thus why I said "Zaza will never again be worth this much." Demand is too high and if the Magic want a run in the playoffs against the two elite teams in the East not to mention out West with great bigmen depth then I'm sure that they shouldn't be too concerned over dealing with a team that they've historically dominated.

[Neon1]

Trade Zaza and Mo for Jameer Nelson.
We can wish upon a star forever for a true center worth **** but this is a PG league with an overabundance of them on every team but ours. The Magic have over 30 mil invested in their PG position over many years with guys that demand the ball, somethings got to give. We got a cheap, productive, playoff tested veteran on our bench that fills a position of need for them and they have a guy that can shoot, slash, pass, and defend at his position. Zaza will never again be worth this much. If there's any possibility of this I make the move and don't look back.

Orlando says

Nelson 30
JRich 32
Turkoglu 28
Bass 28
Howard 38

Arenas 34
Redick 18
Anderson 20
and we need a 10 minute backup center.

WHY on earth would we trade Jameer Nelson for Zaza???? To play him 10-12 mins a night? Yes we only have ONE center, but that ONE is Dwight Howard, so why would we give up a huge chunk of our team for a 10-12 min center?

We are more in the market for a Etan Thomas than a Zaza.

So how about you just give us Etan since you dont use him anyways. We will give you a 2nd rounder. Thnx kbye.

[MaceCase]

Trade Zaza and Mo for Jameer Nelson.
We can wish upon a star forever for a true center worth **** but this is a PG league with an overabundance of them on every team but ours. The Magic have over 30 mil invested in their PG position over many years with guys that demand the ball, somethings got to give. We got a cheap, productive, playoff tested veteran on our bench that fills a position of need for them and they have a guy that can shoot, slash, pass, and defend at his position. Zaza will never again be worth this much. If there's any possibility of this I make the move and don't look back.

Orlando says

Nelson 30
JRich 32
Turkoglu 28
Bass 28
Howard 38

Arenas 34
Redick 18
Anderson 20
and we need a 10 minute backup center.

WHY on earth would we trade Jameer Nelson for Zaza???? To play him 10-12 mins a night? Yes we only have ONE center, but that ONE is Dwight Howard, so why would we give up a huge chunk of our team for a 10-12 min center?

We are more in the market for a Etan Thomas than a Zaza.

So how about you just give us Etan since you dont use him anyways. We will give you a 2nd rounder. Thnx kbye.

That's the plan? Well then I hope Dwight gets lots of Gatorade playing 40 minutes a night and having to cover for the defensive prowess of your new additions (can't possibly see him picking up fouls either) but I guess he'll catch his breath on offense because he won't see the ball except on putbacks. Anyway, I actually think that your team should look at Camby for Jameer but there's no telling if Portland bites because if Dwight wasn't able to beat Boston's frontline last year then how will he be able to beat them this year with a worse supporting forward and backups when they happen to of gotten better in that regard. You're laughing now but your GM already panicked and got Hedo and Gilbert....expect more head scratchers in the immediate future and maybe even heartbreak further down the road.

[Neon1]

That's the plan? Well then I hope Dwight gets lots of Gatorade playing 40 minutes a night and having to cover for the defensive prowess of your new additions (can't possibly see him picking up fouls either) but I guess he'll catch his breath on offense because he won't see the ball except on putbacks. Anyway, I actually think that your team should look at Camby for Jameer but there's no telling if Portland bites because if Dwight wasn't able to beat Boston's frontline last year then how will he be able to beat them this year with a worse supporting forward and backups when they happen to of gotten better in that regard. You're laughing now but your GM already panicked and got Hedo and Gilbert....expect more head scratchers in the immediate future and maybe even heartbreak further down the road.

Point 1: Dwight averages 36 mins a game (even though hes always in foul trouble). Thats 12 minutes.

Point 2: Jameer Nelson,Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter play(ed) no defense. Nothings changed here. Orlando plays TEAM defense, we never had good individual defenders outside of Dwight.

Point 3: We traded Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis and Pietrus. All chuckers. Whats the difference here?

Side notes:
Maybe you havent noticed, but Rashard Lewis has COMPLETELY sucked for 2 years (ever since the ped thing). Brandon Bass AND Ryan Anderson are better players than him. We even picked up Earl Clark who has a ton of length and can play situational defense on versatile/agile bigs at the 4 and 3 spots.

As for "panicked and got Arenas and Hedo", were all estactic that we have Arenas, JRich and Hedo on this team. We WANT them on this team.

You can twist it anyway you want too, theres not a soul that thinks Orlando is a better team for trading Jameer for Zaza Pachulia (especially for 10-12 mins a game)

[geeman]

IT'S WORTH THE RISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmgn9zkx2Ow


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Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -9.0 ppg, -11.0 rpg, and -2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Greg Oden
7-0 C from Ohio State
No games yet played in 2010-2011
Outgoing Players
Marvin Williams
6-8 SF from North Carolina
9.0 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 30.9 minutes
Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +9.0 ppg, +11.0 rpg, and +2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Marvin Williams
6-8 SF from North Carolina
9.0 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 30.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Greg Oden
7-0 C from Ohio State
No games yet played in 2010-2011


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Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade.
Due to Atlanta being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Atlanta had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -0.5 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Devin Harris
6-3 PG from Wisconsin
9.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 23.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
8.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 4.0 apg in 28.8 minutes
Jeff Teague
6-1 PG from Wake Forest
2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 18.8 minutes
New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.5 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
8.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 4.0 apg in 28.8 minutes
Jeff Teague
6-1 PG from Wake Forest
2.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 18.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Devin Harris
6-3 PG from Wisconsin
9.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 23.9 minutes

YOU CAN ADD A 1 ROUND PICK, THIS WOULD BE MY DREAM FOR THE ATL!

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[kamaze]

First off I'd like to say your ballclub is pretty good.
At the start of the season they had to get used to the new coach but now are playing well.
I think Marvin Williams is the only dead weight on your team he's always seemed redundant to me with Josh Smith, Joe Johnson and company but Atlanta is a mismatch problem for most teams.

Charlotte's looking to make trades a Marvin for Stephen Jackson straight up works.
Jackson makes more but has 1 less year on his contract.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

That could just add to the logjam at 2guard but I think Jackson plays small forward as well.

[kamaze]

Or look to Sacramento's roster for Thompson or Landry.