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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#261 » by CraZyPraiZ » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:38 pm

woosah wrote:I'm iffy on how Hedo will perform here. We had Hedo 3 years before he exploded in the 52-win season, and that was because we brought Shard here. Maybe Arenas will draw attention in a way that allows Hedo to get the looks he likes, but I am kind of thinking like HowardMass here in that I think he is declining and will just be average.

JRich will be good though. I do like that part of it.

I don't believe Hedo is our saviour but as Chris Boushard just said on ESPN News "Hedo has not been the same since the trade but neither have the Magic.
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Post#262 » by magicfan4life05 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:38 pm

I know a lot of people are upset about getting little return for Gortat and Pietrus (to a lesser extent) but the Magic had to ship out these guys if they were bringing in Arenas. They would have been on the hook for too much money for a long period of time.
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#263 » by spinedoc » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:39 pm

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Bankai wrote:Does Otis feel that Hedo is worth that money now? I mean why would he want him back after slamming him for not being worth his contract? Still think he is overpaid..


My guess is that Dwight may have asked for him specifically in the so called meeting with SVG and Otis.


I think your right. This has Dwights blessing. Hedo was a fan favorite, but I believe he was also a favorite of his teammates.
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Post#264 » by truballa227 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:39 pm

I expect Arenas' assist numbers to go up and for Dwight to again focus on mainly defense. Hopefully these other players will create for him so the ball isnt always stuck in his hands. J-Rich is an automatic upgrade just because of his athleticism. Carter and Lewis were on the decline anyways so I like this trade.
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#265 » by vinageras » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

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vinageras wrote:BTW, Otis proving he can man up, by taking Hedo, he admits he made a mistake, which is something not all guys do



The only problem is, HE DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE.


In hindsight, it looks like a mistake. I didn't think it was back then either
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#266 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

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Post#267 » by jezzer45 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

so is jwill or duhon the ones going to newyork for anthony randolph?

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Post#268 » by woosah » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

Otis has said he didn't mind keeping Turk, he just did not want to pay him 50mil. They are both admitting that they need each other really, because Otis traded to get him back, but Hedo had given up some of that $ so really that is like Hedo saying that maybe he asked for too much. Perhaps both sides have been humbled a bit. I just hope Hedo has drive and won't be lazy like he was rumored to be when he left.
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#269 » by Skin » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

GaNGsTaRr93 wrote:Im only concerned about a backup center for Dwight

There are ways to get a back up C. It won't be hard. We've had backups the like of Adonal Foyle before.
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#270 » by richboy » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

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Howard Mass wrote:On the 2012 factor, they took on some pretty big contracts so there really be any wiggle room unless Dwight bolts.

I do feel this could help in the short term and maybe even for a few years now that they have guys who can create their own offense.

I do expect this team to play small at times too with Turkoglu at the 4.

While I really think Gilbert Arenas could help out for a few years, I believe Turkoglu is breaking down and we will see his play deteroiate. He could be used in go-to situations but is not going to be a big minutes guy.

Overall, these trades are a big risk and I am not high on giving up Gortat with no big to replace him and the 2011 first.

I would think it'd be a mistake by anyone to think that we're getting the old Hedo back. Before Hedo left us, he was being relied upon as our main scoring option... especially in the clutch. This time around, he won't be. He may be the 4th option behind Arenas, Richardson and Dwight. His role will be entirely different...but the main thing I liked about his game was his passing and efficiency. Those 2 things shouldn't change.


Richardson really isn't an option. He doesn't get many plays run for him. He not much of a ball handler. He really is an athletic spot up guy. I expect the ball is still going to end up in Hedo's hands a lot because he is easily the best PNR player on the team now.
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#271 » by christian72589 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:41 pm

I'm pretty sure this marks the closing of our very short championship window. I'm sorry, but guys this in no way makes us better. We just lost our only decent backup centered for the sake of making a trade. We now have 2 of the most atrocious contacts in the league. Wtf were we thinking with iggy, melo or paul? Lol I guess I can give it a chance (what else could you do anyway?) But wow... I'm not counting on having dwight around after 2012 anymore.
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Post#272 » by Nemesis21 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:41 pm

truballa227 wrote:I expect Arenas' assist numbers to go up and for Dwight to again focus on mainly defense. Hopefully these other players will create for him so the ball isnt always stuck in his hands. J-Rich is an automatic upgrade just because of his athleticism. Carter and Lewis were on the decline anyways so I like this trade.



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Post#273 » by DiplomaticMagic » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:41 pm

One thing that surprised me is how Ping/Hoopsworld called the Phoenix deal.

Ping said J-Rich first, and Hoopsworld added Hedo.

Maybe they do have some sources!!
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#274 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:41 pm

DONE DEAL

ESPN, CBSSports.com, and Yahoo! Sports have all confirmed the deal.

Here’s how it breaks down:
Orlando

Orlando wants to win now. Not for the next few years, not down the line, growing together like a bunch of young saplings. Now. Otis Smith has acquired a dynamic scorer and playmaker in Gilbert Arenas who is not shooting well this year (39%) but has a chance to get some space now that he’s in Orlando. They acquired a power driving dunk artist with prolific three-point range in Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu who is now old and not nearly the player he was two years ago, a first-round draft pick and Earl Clark, who will never see the floor, ever.

Gilbert Arenas has shown flashes of his scoring ability that made him so prolific four seasons ago. He managed to work reasonably well off-ball in Washington, and in Orlando will be granted license to run the offense. Jameer Nelson can work off-ball in conjunction with Arenas. How he’ll work with Dwight Howard will be a significant issue to keep an eye on. Arenas has never worked with a player like Howard before, and he’ll have to maintain the “it’s his team” attitude he had with Wall.

Richardson is the big win in this trade for Orlando. He’s averaging 19 points on 42% three-point shooting and he’ll get just as many open looks in Orlando. The question will be if he can play the kind of defense Stan Van Gundy will need him to and how he’ll fit in with the rotation. But Richardson is a clutch performer who has a history with Arenas in Golden State and should be thrilled to be going to a contender again.

Hedo Turkoglu is a no-lose option for the Magic. If he’s terrible, the team is deep enough not to worry about it. If he’s able to recapture anything close to what they had two years ago, they’ve got another great player to go to. His contract is long. So was Rashard Lewis’. And as we’ve seen today, no contract is unmovable.

Phoenix:

The future is later. Despite Steve Nash still being Steve Nash, the Suns have moved towards the future. Vince Carter is an expiring contract, they acquired a first round pick to build with, and ditched Hedo Turkoglu’s contract. They’re obviously moving towards the future. You have to wonder if this is a capitulation by Robert Sarver to move towards saving money. Vince Carter may experience a resurgence in Phoenix as so many players have with their training staff. But in the end, he’s just not a very good player anymore and not a player you can depend on in key situations. Losing Turkoglu at least clears up their frontcourt rotation and will allow Hakim Warrick more minutes. Phoenix looks towards the future.
Washington:

The Arenas-Butler-Jamison era is finally washed away completely. Agent Zero is over. Rashard Lewis is a marginal player at this point with a massive contract, but now the team is John Wall‘s, 100%. The Gilbert Arenas era is through. They’re a bad team and they just got worse. But they do save a slight bit of money and can try and take a new approach in order to move towards the Wall-led future. It was over before it started for the Arenas Show in Washington. You’ve got to move forward eventually. They chose now.


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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#275 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:42 pm

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Source tells me that Dwight Howard is on board with all the deals. Thought the team had lost a little juice this season.


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Post#276 » by KillaMayo » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:42 pm

These trades are out of this world! Wtf is Otis thinking, but atleast he is doing something to make things (possibly) better for his team.
Love Hedo going back to Magic. Good to see if he can still play or is he totally washed up
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Post#277 » by chunnyboy » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:42 pm

yea on second thought, i'm with Woj on this

why not stick with

Nelson
JRich
Rashard
Bass
Dwight

with Turk as a ball handling sixth man- this kind of works doesn't it?
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Post#278 » by swstein » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:43 pm

Please Arenas, don't be done.
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Post#279 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:43 pm

Now, all they need to do is trade Duhon for a future 2nd rounder and they are done. Perhaps, they could package Duhon/QRich/Ryno for a backup Center
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Re: Official: Arenas/Hedo/Jrich takin talents to central FLORIDA 

Post#280 » by Idunkonyou2 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:43 pm

CraZyPraiZ wrote:
woosah wrote:I'm iffy on how Hedo will perform here. We had Hedo 3 years before he exploded in the 52-win season, and that was because we brought Shard here. Maybe Arenas will draw attention in a way that allows Hedo to get the looks he likes, but I am kind of thinking like HowardMass here in that I think he is declining and will just be average.

JRich will be good though. I do like that part of it.

I don't believe Hedo is our saviour but as Chris Boushard just said on ESPN News "Hedo has not been the same since the trade but neither have the Magic.


Chris Boushard is an idiot. The Magic won just as many games with out Hedo as they did with him last year. They went up against a hot Boston team who took the Lakers to 7 games and almost won the whole damn thing. Does he really believe the Magic would have beaten the Celtics if Hedo was on our team?

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