Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

Kanyewest · Post #1321 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:53 pm

I suspect Arenas will stop getting blackballed (ie getting the Iverson treatment) in Orlando.

AceDegenerate · Post #1322 » by **AceDegenerate** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:54 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Finally, some people willing to take head out of their arse. Lewis can still shoot and has the size to be a combo forward. Has anybody considered the potential to have some SF/PF pick-and-roll action with Blatche and Lewis like Orlando had a couple years ago? Of course not, because anything that separates folks from the precious "hero" can't possibly work.

And from a more respected poster than you on the Magic forum:

Howard Mass wrote:Gilbert Arenas might have a long-term deal but he can be a go-to guy for this team and light a fire under them too. This could be his re-birth. The risk here is that extra year on the contract but one well worth it as Rashard Lewis was clearly on the decline and this along with that contract truely made him a drag on this team as the Magic were looking at the 2nd highest paid player in this league coming off the bench. This trade takes that unpleasant situation away from this team.

Looks like it's going to be YOUR HERO who sinks this franchise. :rofl:

Wizards2Lottery · Post #1323 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Seriously ... two and a half seasons of a guy who is already on serious decline. But high SF/PF pick and roll with Blatche right?

It's Ernie's two second round picks! Whooo you go Ernie, keep building that team! Your first one couldn't win a second round playoff game but please continue to have control.

Terpman · Post #1324 » by **Terpman** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:59 pm

Mr. Grundle wrote:My thoughts on the trade are......who cares? There's some real sentimentals around here. While its true Gil made the Wiz relevant again, the current Gil is not the same player that made that happen. The fun-loving, super fast and strong, sniper-clutch-shooting, get-in-the-paint-and-to-the-line-at-will Gil is long gone. The current Gil is old, slow, can't shoot, and can't buy a call. But worst of all, he's bitter. He doesn't want to be here anymore. Doesn't wanna play with these young kids. Doesn't want to be a mentor to John Wall.

So let him go. Who cares if we get a worse player in return. We are one of the 3 worst teams in the NBA WITH Gil. We don't get that much worse with Shart....it's impossible. We trade a horrible contract for an equally horrible contract less a year. We get another soft, lazy, jumpshooting big...like we can't deal with that for two more years.

Seriously, who cares. We don't get much better or worse with the deal.

The John Wall era couldn't officially begin until the Gil era ended. This was the only way to make that happen.

Well said. I'm ranting more on our team NOT improving than any misguided hope that Gil becomes an all-star again. Just sick and tired of looking at the Wiz, Redskins, and O's/Nats and seeing NO HOPE of rooting for a winner in the major sports leagues for a bare minimum of 3-4 more years.
We are in the 9th circle of sports-hell.

sfam · Post #1325 » by **sfam** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:59 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
AceDegenerate wrote:It's a done deal for those who are still doubting it.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... -turkoglu/

Only place where it's not official is ESPN.

And Michael Lee too, of course...

Benjammin · Post #1326 » by **Benjammin** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:00 pm

mattyBoi wrote:He's not THAT bad guys. I still am a fan, he is just in a shooting slump right now. You also have to look at the team he played on, the Magic have a lot ball dominators and scorers.

He hasn't played well since he's been off the juice, the sauce, whatever you want to call it. His game has declined since then. There's no getting around that.

richboy · Post #1327 » by **richboy** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:02 pm

Wizards2Lottery wrote:Seriously ... two and a half seasons of a guy who is already on serious decline. But high SF/PF pick and roll with Blatche right?

It's Ernie's two second round picks! Whooo you go Ernie, keep building that team! Your first one couldn't win a second round playoff game but please continue to have control.

Rashard Lewis can't even dribble. Who is running this PNR?

Bickerstaff · Post #1328 » by **Bickerstaff** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:03 pm

AceDegenerate wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Finally, some people willing to take head out of their arse. Lewis can still shoot and has the size to be a combo forward. Has anybody considered the potential to have some SF/PF pick-and-roll action with Blatche and Lewis like Orlando had a couple years ago? Of course not, because anything that separates folks from the precious "hero" can't possibly work.

And from a more respected poster than you on the Magic forum:

Howard Mass wrote:Gilbert Arenas might have a long-term deal but he can be a go-to guy for this team and light a fire under them too. This could be his re-birth. The risk here is that extra year on the contract but one well worth it as Rashard Lewis was clearly on the decline and this along with that contract truely made him a drag on this team as the Magic were looking at the 2nd highest paid player in this league coming off the bench. This trade takes that unpleasant situation away from this team.

Looks like it's going to be YOUR HERO who sinks this franchise.

You're what's wrong with this world: rooting for your team's failure just so you can say you're right.

jimij · Post #1329 » by **jimij** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:03 pm

All Wiz related thoughts aside, what the hell is Orlando doing? Are they going to trade Jameer now too? With Richardson, Arenas and Nelson, who is coming off the bench and how much of a pain in the @ss are they going to be?

mhd · Post #1330 » by **mhd** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:05 pm

Operation getting Rashard Lewis out of town is the #1 priority for me. The Bucks make the most sense as their fans hate Maggette as much as I hate Lewis. Only problem is that Gooden has to be in any deal for the Bucks, and he's signed for 4 more years after this one.

AceDegenerate · Post #1331 » by **AceDegenerate** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:06 pm

Bickerstaff wrote:You're what's wrong with this world: rooting for your team's failure just so you can say you're right.

I'm whats wrong with this world....? Really?

Also, how am I rooting for anyone's failure any different than anyone else who has been harping on how bad Gilbert has sucked for the past 2+ years? I'm rooting for success like the rest, you guys are just on the other end this time. Now you all can be consistently wrong about this team, and root for the real Loser/Cancer some claimed Arenas to be. :lol:

Astonished · Post #1332 » by **Astonished** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:06 pm

jimij wrote:All Wiz related thoughts aside, what the hell is Orlando doing? Are they going to trade Jameer now too? With Richardson, Arenas and Nelson, who is coming off the bench and how much of a pain in the @ss are they going to be?

I agree, they are ****.

richboy · Post #1333 » by **richboy** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:06 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
AceDegenerate wrote:LOL. Because Rashard is going to better those #'s in a Wizards uniform right?

Definitely...Are you serious? Rashard will become a starter here and considering the lack of front court depth here and the shots he'll get, its likely he'll have Arenas type production as a Wizard...

Rashard's biggest strength is if he plays SF he a very good post player. Him in Washington he might actually become a top post option again. Was never going to happen with the Magic.

Bickerstaff · Post #1334 » by **Bickerstaff** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:08 pm

Also, not happy if it's just Lewis coming back, but it was time to get rid of Gilbert. He was never going to get it going again on a rebuilding team. This could be great for him. It doesn't help with Wizards much, but having a clearly unhappy Arenas on the team surely wasn't going to help much, either. But here's hoping there are picks coming back, at least.

sfam · Post #1335 » by **sfam** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:12 pm

Bottom line, once they decided on dumping the Big Three, we all realized our roster would be a joke for years to come. Nothing has changed. We basically took the first offer for Arenas we could find, and while we can quibble with that, the real question is whether we have any faith that EG is going to right the ship. I've given him the benefit of doubt before, but I think my days of doing that are over. I really expect to see a GM change at years' end if not earlier.

Post #1336 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:13 pm

jimij wrote:All Wiz related thoughts aside, what the hell is Orlando doing? Are they going to trade Jameer now too? With Richardson, Arenas and Nelson, who is coming off the bench and how much of a pain in the @ss are they going to be?

Yeah, that's going to be interesting. They've been starting Bass at PF of late, but with Gortat gone that probably makes Bass their backup center. Are they going to play Hedo at PF? That's what caused him to fail in Phoenix.

Howard/Bass
Hedo/Anderson
JRich/QRich
Arenas/Redick
Nelson/JWill

I'm not feeling that. Maybe they get away with it most nights in the regular season but it's not going to hold up in the playoffs against Boston's size and it also makes it easier for Miami to match up with them. Nah, they gotta do something else.

They could trade Nelson as you mentioned, but they'd be looking for a PF so I'm not sure what value they will find in trying to trade small-for-big.

Maybe Jameer to Sacto for Udrih and one of their young bigs? Or to Charlotte for Diaw?

:dontknow:

sashae · Post #1337 » by **sashae** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:32 pm

This is genuinely depressing. Gil may not be "Gil" anymore, but he is the most incandescent player I've ever seen in a Wizards/Bullets uni. It's a damn shame that injuries and the stupid, STUPID guns incident stole this guy from us. The miserable, sniping, no-call-getting, non-smiling ground-bound guy we have now is not Gil... but damn, this is how it has to end?

Terpman · Post #1338 » by **Terpman** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:32 pm

Could we please acquire:

a SG who plays exclusively SG & defends other SG's well.
a SF who plays exclusively SF & defends other SF's well.
a PF who plays exclusively PF & defends other PF's well.
a Center who plays exclusively C & defends otherC's well.

Load the bench with tweeners who can play multiple positions if you want, but main players should be SOLID at their position. We have a whole team full of guys who play crap man-to-man defense, unable to defend the pick-and-roll, and are not physical. (Hopefully Wall, Booker, & Seraphin are the 1st steps in that direction - although Booker seems pretty set at tweener...)

Blatche and Hinrich should be used as trade chips to acquire one or two of these. McGee and Wall are the only guys on our team with any kind of high ceiling who play an actual legit position...

Post #1339 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:35 pm

Wall is a legit PG who will defend the PG position well once he gets more experience.
Young is a legit SG who defends the SG position well
Howard is a legit SF who defends the SF position well
Blatche is a legit PF who defends the PF well when he is motivated.
McGee... um... has a ways to go yet.

Terpman · Post #1340 » by **Terpman** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:45 pm

nate33 wrote:Wall is a legit PG who will defend the PG position well once he gets more experience.
Young is a legit SG who defends the SG position well
Howard is a legit SF who defends the SF position well
Blatche is a legit PF who defends the PF well when he is motivated.
McGee... um... has a ways to go yet.

I'll give you Young based on early returns this year. Looks like he will be legit.
Howard is coming off a knee injury - jury definately out.
Blatche is an unispired POS. Can't stand to watch him play. The guy looks like he could care less.
McGee - freakish talent with NO CLUE.

Our biggest needs (as always) are a PF & C who play defense & rebound.