Escobar, Cain, Odirizzi and Jeffress for Greinke+

[LUKE23]

I don't know why you would say Cain can't hit. He hit throughout the minors and hit last year. A CF that can hit and field has more value than any corner guy unless it's an elite player. I'd trade Gamel for Cain in a second if I could.

[xTitan]

I like Cain quite a bit, but the truth is if you are looking at a guy with decent speed and no big power, those are replaceable, just find someone who can get on base and make some things happen.

[LUKE23]

Strangely worded making the first part sound like speculation and the second part sound like fact. Nonetheless, looks like Jeffress might still be in the deal.

I would definitely hope its him over Rogers. Giving up Rogers and Odorizzi would be a bit ridiculous.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't know why you would say Cain can't hit. He hit throughout the minors and hit last year. A CF that can hit and field has more value than any corner guy unless it's an elite player. I'd trade Gamel for Cain in a second if I could.

I didn't say he can't hit. I said he's not a threat. I don't consider guys without power to be threats at the plate.

[wichmae]

Who cares if its Rogers. Its Zach Greinke. That's all that matters. We got an ace without giving up the best package. The Washington package was way better than ours. We landed an ace and gave up no star talent..

[ReasonablySober]

Strangely worded making the first part sound like speculation and the second part sound like fact. Nonetheless, looks like Jeffress might still be in the deal.

I would definitely hope its him over Rogers. Giving up Rogers and Odorizzi would be a bit ridiculous.

Depends if you think Rogers is a good bet to make the rotation. If you believe he's also a future reliever then Jeffress is the better option.

[trwi7]

I just hope they don't cheap out this year. There are still holes to fill at SS, CF. Don't go cheap with them. Ask about Cameron and Scutaro, if you can't get Scutaro, sign Renteria.

[ReasonablySober]

Who cares if its Rogers. Its Zach Greinke. That's all that matters. We got an ace without giving up the best package. The Washington package was way better than ours. We landed an ace and gave up no star talent..

Yup. It's amazing when you think about it.

[LUKE23]

Who cares if its Rogers. Its Zach Greinke. That's all that matters. We got an ace without giving up the best package. The Washington package was way better than ours. We landed an ace and gave up no star talent..

Good lord, this is a ridiculous stance. So no matter how many prospects we give up there is no breaking point to when it becomes a poor deal? Odorizzi and Rogers are our top 2 pitching prospects, so yes, it matters if BOTH are included.

DB, to your point, I think the odds of him beating out Narveson for the 5th spot by say July is high.

[wichmae]

Who cares if its Rogers. Its Zach Greinke. That's all that matters. We got an ace without giving up the best package. The Washington package was way better than ours. We landed an ace and gave up no star talent..

Good lord, this is a ridiculous stance. So no matter how many prospects we give up there is no breaking point to when it becomes a poor deal? Odorizzi and Rogers are our top 2 pitching prospects, so yes, it matters if BOTH are included.

DB, to your point, I think the odds of him beating out Narveson for the 5th spot by say July is high.

It really is a great stance. The prospects we gave up might be the best in our system but they don't project to much more than just normal guys. No #1type starters or major upside players.Odorizzi has the highest ceiling and most project him as a relieved or #3. Who cares if its Rovers or Jeffress. Neither player is close to what we are getting.

[Soca]

lol at the people that want renteria. Don't let one hr he hit off cliff lee fool you, he's terrible defensively and always injured.

[trwi7]

lol at the people that want renteria. Don't let one hr he hit off cliff lee fool you, he's terrible defensively and always injured.

If Betancourt is our starting SS, I will be furious. I would take anybody over him.

[humanrefutation]

Good lord, this is a ridiculous stance. So no matter how many prospects we give up there is no breaking point to when it becomes a poor deal? Odorizzi and Rogers are our top 2 pitching prospects, so yes, it matters if BOTH are included.

DB, to your point, I think the odds of him beating out Narveson for the 5th spot by say July is high.

At this point, one cannot say if it's a poor deal or not. While we all tend to overvalue our own prospects, none of these prospects projected are extremely highly touted nationally. I don't know if any of the will be on Baseball America's Top 100 list. Hell, it's not as good of a package as the one the Braves gave up for a 1/2 season of Teixeira, and it's not as good as what our competition was offering.

So color me pretty happy that we were still able to pull in a stud ace like Greinke. If Cain, Jeffress, Odorizzi, or Jeffress/Rogers end up blossoming in KC, well, good for them. It'll sting a little bit here, but two years of serious playoff contention will dry my tears.

[jimmybones]

So happy. Really hoping it's not Jeffress or Rogers, they are the only young pitching we have that may help this year. Really like the Scutaro and Cameron idea. We're clearly going for it now and then banking on stocking up on extra picks for our next wave, it would be stupid at this point not to upgrade cf and ss.

ETA: Crazy thought I just had. What if we still trade Prince, but to cover SS and CF. If we don't demand pitching I'd bet we can get a decent package. Get some guys we can control for a few years and still help now. Prince + Betancourt + Gomez or Gamel + ? + ?

[LUKE23]

It really is a great stance. The prospects we gave up might be the best in our system but they don't project to much more than just normal guys. No #1type starters or major upside players.Odorizzi has the highest ceiling and most project him as a relieved or #3. Who cares if its Rovers or Jeffress. Neither player is close to what we are getting.

None of the guys we traded project to be above average players and are just "normal guys"? Where do you get this stuff from? And since when is Odorizzi a #3 ceiling?

[Soca]

I like the Scutaro/Cameron trade idea.

[MikeIsGood]

lol at the people that want renteria. Don't let one hr he hit off cliff lee fool you, he's terrible defensively and always injured.

If Betancourt is our starting SS, I will be furious. I would take anybody over him.

This. Really has nothing to do with what happened in the WS. I do not want to watch Betancourt. Renteria is available.

Scutaro, sure, if we can pull it off.

[wichmae]

Odorizzi always projected as a low two high three. Cain is a speedy CF with minus power and Rogers/Jeffress best roles are pen guys. They were our best prospects but around baseball weren't on any top prospects lists. Just because they were out top prospects doesn't make them top prospects overall.

[DanoMac]

LOL @ the people who are pissed about the prospects we traded. What the f*ck more do you want? We just landed one of the top aces in baseball. How often do teams get a chance to land a player like this? Two years ago, if I told you that the Royals would be willing to listen to offers for Greinke after his 2.16 ERA season, it would've been a completely different story.

You guys act like Greinke's some middle of the rotation journeyman. He has the potential to be the best pitcher in MLB.

But ok, let's keep our prospects, likely one of them is going to blossom and the other 2 or 3 will become decent. Ben Sheets era all over again. Odorizzi, like stated, had NO other talent around him. You usually bring up prospects in waves.

Brewers have been waiting for the future for 27 years now. We put together a contending team and there's still bitching and moaning about the prospects. Seriously, Christ almighty, we just got Zack f*cking Greinke.

Two days ago my Facebook status was "All I want for Christmas is Greinke". Me and this dude were in an argument because he said with the Brewers current slate of prospects we'd only be able to get "Zito or AJ Burnett".

Washington's packaged KILLED ours. Be happy that the Brewers acquired an ace. The HARDEST thing to acquire in ALL of sports.

Good God.

/rant

[wichmae]

And compared to what the Nats were offering our deal isn't even close.