Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

Wizards2Lottery · Post #1401 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:44 pm

Do we need to acquire a back up PG through trade? The guy would be relegated to third string duties once Wall returns. Wouldn't a combo guard who can play some SG make more sense?

willbcocks · Post #1402 » by **willbcocks** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:50 pm

My guess is Hudson will be back and Gee will be cut.

TGW · Post #1403 » by **TGW** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:53 pm

Signing Janerro Pargo would be fine. He isn't that horrible.

And Nate -- Lewis is not a small forward at this point in his career IMO. His handles are shaky and his lateral movement is not there. He's going to either have to (a) come off the bench behind Blatche or (b) start at the four, with Blatche moving to the five, which I think is the likely scenario.

Post #1404 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:58 pm

willbcocks wrote:My guess is Hudson will be back and Gee will be cut.

Yup. That makes the most sense.

One other option would be to cut N'Diaye.

shrink · Post #1405 » by **shrink** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:46 pm

nate33 wrote:
willbcocks wrote:My guess is Hudson will be back and Gee will be cut.

Yup. That makes the most sense.

One other option would be to cut N'Diaye.

You're probably right. but a Thorton-for-Telfair deal would save WAS $100,000 plus whatever you'd pay Hudson. With unfortunate familiarity with both, I suspect you go with the lesser of two evils.

EDIT: To be fair, Telfair has played better this year. Now he's reached "mediocre second stringer"

Post #1406 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:54 pm

I guess it depends on whether Lewis plays the 3 or the 4 here. If he's exclusively a 4, then there is still need for Thornton. If Lewis can play 3 for 20 minutes a night, Thornton is trade bait.

I think management kinda likes Thornton. He's been a hard worker and one of the few guys with a veteran's mindset. I'm not saying the Wizards want to keep him around long term or anything (he's a bad fit skillwise), but I don't think they're inclined to unceremoniously dump him for Telfaire. I think they'd rather just pick up Hudson and be done with it.

REDardWIZskin · Post #1407 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:56 pm

can we Package Yi + AT to a team for a 3rd pg, they will likely be gone after the season anyway. Teague seems to be in the new coaches dog house in ATL. He's lottery talent and OKC seems to be doing well with two young pg's maybe we could do the same with Teague and Wall. Hawks have Jordan crawford stashed away for insurance too and they seem to like him more anyway so it could work if the #'s are right. Just a thought.

fishercob · Post #1408 » by **fishercob** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:01 pm

Yi + AT for TJ Ford works, but he's playing 21 mpg for Indy. They need him. We need an expiring, pretty highly paid vet PG who is rotting on the someone's bench.

Post #1409 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:09 pm

Can always go back to the well and swap Hilton Armstrong to Orlando for Jason Williams if Williams agrees. He's 3rd/4th string there depending on whether they play him or Duhon, here he'd get playing time. And swapping Armstrong leaves us forced to play Seraphim/Booker/N'Diaye a bit more.

shrink · Post #1410 » by **shrink** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:12 pm

Do you have any use for Corey Brewer? With the Wolves coming out of the draft with Wes Johnson, Martell Webster and Lazar Hayward, and then getting Beasley later, its unlikely MIN has longterm use for him. Maybe a Brewer + Gaines (unguaranteed) package?

REDardWIZskin · Post #1411 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:19 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Can always go back to the well and swap Hilton Armstrong to Orlando for Jason Williams if Williams agrees. He's 3rd/4th string there depending on whether they play him or Duhon, here he'd get playing time. And swapping Armstrong leaves us forced to play Seraphim/Booker/N'Diaye a bit more.

Could work, I'd be ok with it. What does Williams contract look like

Post #1412 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:20 pm

fishercob wrote:Yi + AT for TJ Ford works, but he's playing 21 mpg for Indy. They need him. We need an expiring, pretty highly paid vet PG who is rotting on the someone's bench.

I already looked. There just aren't many competent PG's with expiring contracts who could conceivably be available. Here's a rundown:

Chauncey Billups - not realistic
Jamal Crawford - not realistic
TJ Ford - Indy needs him
Andre Miller - not realistic
Marcus Banks - he sucks. I'd rather have Hudson
Rodney Stuckey - not realistic
Sebastian Telfaire - a possibility
Aaron Brooks - not realistic
Goran Drajic - not realistic
Jose Barea - a possibility

These are the PG's under Shamsport's list of expiring contracts. There's probably a bunch of vet minimum guys that he didn't include. Jason Williams, for example.

verbal8 · Post #1413 » by **verbal8** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:29 pm

REDardWIZskin wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:Can always go back to the well and swap Hilton Armstrong to Orlando for Jason Williams if Williams agrees. He's 3rd/4th string there depending on whether they play him or Duhon, here he'd get playing time. And swapping Armstrong leaves us forced to play Seraphim/Booker/N'Diaye a bit more.

Could work, I'd be ok with it. What does Williams contract look like

I think it is a vet min deal.

queridiculo · Post #1414 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:28 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Can always go back to the well and swap Hilton Armstrong to Orlando for Jason Williams if Williams agrees. He's 3rd/4th string there depending on whether they play him or Duhon, here he'd get playing time. And swapping Armstrong leaves us forced to play Seraphim/Booker/N'Diaye a bit more.

Last thing we need to do is ship Armstrong. He's the closest to a capable defender we have at the center position, and while I'd like to see Seraphin and N'Diaye get some minutes, I'd hate to do it at the expense of Armstrong.

With Howard back in the picture and Lewis on the team now it would make far more sense to trade Thornton's expiring deal for a PG.

507Mack · Post #1415 » by **507Mack** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:31 pm

Better backup center: Hilton Armstrong today or Mike Ruffin 4 years ago?

Wizards2Lottery · Post #1416 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:40 pm

507Mack wrote:Better backup center: Hilton Armstrong today or Mike Ruffin 4 years ago?

Hilton and it's not even close. Ruffin is easily the worst basketball player I have ever seen.

Neck has at least put his game together decently this year. He flops like a bitch, attempts to take charges, doesn't mind throwing a hard foul every now and then and rotates nicely on defense. He's ok for the price we got him at but perhaps even the limited minutes he gets should be cut. I wouldn't mind him on the team as a purely emergency kind of a player though.

I don't remember a single good thing that Ruffin could do on the court.

nuposse04 · Post #1417 » by **nuposse04** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:55 pm

I wish we could get livingston back now :/ Too bad Charlotte is stacked at SF

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #1418 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:37 pm

Wizards2Lottery wrote:
507Mack wrote:Better backup center: Hilton Armstrong today or Mike Ruffin 4 years ago?

Hilton and it's not even close. Ruffin is easily the worst basketball player I have ever seen.

Neck has at least put his game together decently this year. He flops like a bitch, attempts to take charges, doesn't mind throwing a hard foul every now and then and rotates nicely on defense. He's ok for the price we got him at but perhaps even the limited minutes he gets should be cut. I wouldn't mind him on the team as a purely emergency kind of a player though.

I don't remember a single good thing that Ruffin could do on the court.

I think that is selective memory. Absolutely, Ruffin was the worst offensive big in the league. On defense, he was more than adequate... the problem was that EJ too often played him at center down the stretch of games. His height was a huge limitation, but for stretches in the game he was a very good rebounder and, depending on the match up, played decent defense.

Post #1419 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:01 pm

I'd take Ruffin over Yi in a heartbeat.

BanndNDC · Post #1420 » by **BanndNDC** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:12 pm

Since we're gonna suck for the next 3 years and basically counting on either getting barnes or jones i figure we should blow it up further.

WAS/HOU

Basic trade is Blatche for Patterson. Ernie's gonna trade him somewhere so we might as well get a decent prospect. Liked Patterson a lot coming out and he should develop into the rebounder we need.

options:

Blatche/Thornton for Patterson/Jeffries - salaries are basically even
Blatche/Yi fir Patterson/Jeffries - Houston takes on $1.25m extra this year
Blatche/Yi/Martin for Patterson/Jeffries/Ishmael Smith - Houston takes on $1.75m extra this year, we get a backup point.

the depressing:
2010 --------------------------------------------- 2011 --------------------------- 2012
PG: Wall/I. Smith --------------------------- Wall/Hinrich/I. Smith------ Wall/ SCUVGWCO
SG: Hinrich/You------------------------------ Young/2nd/scrub ----------- Barnes/Young/scrub
SF: Howard/Jeffries/Gee ------------------ Barnes/Booker/scrub ------- 1st/Booker/2nd
PF: Lewis/Patterson/Book------------------ Lewis/Patterson/scrub ----- Patterson/Lewis/scrub
C: Armstrong/McGee/Seraphim/N'diaye -- McGee/Seraphim/N'diaye -- McGee/SCUVGWO/
=================================================================Seraphim

key: SCUVGWMO = scome crappy underachieving vet grunfeld wastes capspace on