*MERGED* Done Deal. Goodbye Jrich/Hedo/Clark

[garrick]

No way is NY going to trade Turiaf who is their only decent center. Unless they have some other deal that nets them a center they aren't going to deal him.

[sunsbum]

Personally I think this so called interest in kevin love is some fans pipe dream. I'm sure the suns are interested but, uh who wouldnt be? Dont see the infatuation with Josh Smith, hes a good player that puts up some great fantasy numbers but never really seems to be an impact player. I like the original direction the suns are poised to move in this summer. Sign Marc Gasol for whatever it takes an call it an offseason.

Nash/Dragic
Childress/Dudley/Dragic
Hill/Dudley
Gasol/Frye/Warrick
Lopez/Gortat

[grumpysaddle]

Personally I think this so called interest in kevin love is some fans pipe dream. I'm sure the suns are interested but, uh who wouldnt be? Dont see the infatuation with Josh Smith, hes a good player that puts up some great fantasy numbers but never really seems to be an impact player. I like the original direction the suns are poised to move in this summer. Sign Marc Gasol for whatever it takes an call it an offseason.

Nash/Dragic
Childress/Dudley/Dragic
Hill/Dudley
Gasol/Frye/Warrick
Lopez/Gortat

This won't really work IMO. The only 3 point shooter on the floor is Nash, and he's not gonna be creating spacing. Nash isn't good in a half court set... it doesn't utilize his abilities properly. Gasol is also way more of a center than a PF. For the Suns offense to run smoothly they need to be able to spread the court.

Yes Kevin Love is a pipe dream, but he's be amazing for the Suns. Rebounds like no other AND has range to hit 3s every now and then.

[EasternMagic]

^^ uh - wasn´t that big vince fan, but after watching this, hell. this got me pumped for our new team and for vince..

Maxamillion makes awesome videos... probably what I will miss the most about having Carter on our team...
But I really hope he does well with you all, I know Gortat and Pietrus will thrive in PHX. I doubt there are any long term plans for Carter there, but PHX has always been my favorite West team, so the best of luck to you all.

[WTFsunsFTW]

I know im going to get bashed for this, but honestly i think we should keep VC this year, then buy him out next year so we can then re-sign him to a new (yet smaller) contract.

I love Vince's game. Always have and always will.

Yes homo.

I'm very open to this, aside from the re-sign part, as I am very content to postpone that decision until season's end. I would assume(ok, hope) PHX is ok standing pat if they can't lock in a franchise PF. VC needs to go from Half Man, Half Interested back to Half Amazing for this to be worth it.


Nash/Dragic
VC/Pietrus/Childress
Hill/Dudley/Childress
Frye/Warrick/Lawal
Gortat/Lopez/Frye/Barron

I don't think you can convince me that our lineup last week was better. When Frye plays with the second squad, that is a well balanced collection with solid D.

I am almost convinced this lineup can defend against the Lakers, Size up with Boston, and outscore Miami on a given night.

Syncing with Phoenix and going to the finals would be a glorious redemption for Vinsanity. And our training staff would win a Nobel Prize or something.

If he is who we fear he is, then we ship him and Lopez to Memphis in a Gasol S&T for his $4M buyout

[WTFsunsFTW]

VC highlights of his last game with Orlando

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duSV3fjMVYc[/youtube]

Wow, tons of games here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/vc15encyclopedia

[bastillon]

^^ uh - wasn´t that big vince fan, but after watching this, hell. this got me pumped for our new team and for vince..

that video is sick man. one of the best NBA-related videos ever.

I can tell you this though. I've done some research on Vince. he's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. after last year's January he played great all year and was Magic's 2nd best player in the playoffs in critical moments. he took over the Atlanta series and was a big reason why Magic were even competitive against the Celtics. total no-show from 3 other starters (Lewis, Nelson and SFs) was the reason why they lost (+ the Celtics are just way better anyway).

if he stays healthy and does his job, he's gonna be a great fit next to Nash, exactly what we need which is a shooter, scorer and playmaker. unless Vince forgot how to shoot the ball, I'd rather have him than overrated Joe Johnson for example.

Carter will get couple of post ups, couple alley oops from Nash, he'll get himself going in transition, gain some confidence, and once he's hot you can't stop him. that's the way it worked with Richardson. literally nobody considered JRich a great player before Phoenix. hell, even a year ago you'd see more Suns fans wanting to shop him for big rather than keep him. there's really not much seperation between Vince and JRich, Richardson is a better defender/3P shooter, Carter is better slasher/playmaker/iso player. overall they're pretty equal. I think we'll love Carter.

and screw additions, the biggest impact of this trade is no more Döner (Turk). him going away is like an all-star coming in.

this trade was such a robbery...

[ht11]

Although I can tell you firsthand all the criticism of VC's lack of heart/desire is overblown, he is a guy who plays better when motivated by external factors. I really think having been traded by Orlando in that fashion, after all the hype of him coming home to win a ring, he's really going to want to prove to people he can still play... Not to mention its also basically a contract year.

[CourtsideTV]

Although I can tell you firsthand all the criticism of VC's lack of heart/desire is overblown, he is a guy who plays better when motivated by external factors. I really think having been traded by Orlando in that fashion, after all the hype of him coming home to win a ring, he's really going to want to prove to people he can still play... Not to mention its also basically a contract year.

It was already a contract year and he was scrubbing. What makes you think this is any different? As much as I wanted him to be that 26ppg/6reb/5 assist guy for our team, he never panned out to be remotely close to that player he was in NJ. He's good when he's on..ice cold when he's not...and when he's not there..not only is he not there physiclaly, he is not there mentally either in those games which sucks.

[lilfishi22]

Carter was brought in with the expectation of replacing Hedo who took the Magic to the Finals. That is a lot of pressure, especially considering the kind of money he's making. His role with the Magic was to be that guy who can create his own shot and be the clutch guy Hedo was, but he's obviously lost a step or two and while I don't think those expectations were excessive, it was still a lot of pressure to put on a guy who has never really won anything and to come to a team that just made the Finals.

With Phoenix, his role will be different. He's not coming in and be some sort of final piece. He's coming in as a guy who'll score off Nash's spoon fed passes and to just get to his spots. His shot creating will come in second. We're a .500 ball club pre-trade and the trade was essentially made to get rid of Hedo. Expectations aren't real high for VC so the pressure from the fans and media won't be there to affect his game. I think he'll take a little hit from going from a "contender" to a .500 ball club but he'll also be playing next to Steve Nash and in a system where he'll get to run and pad his stats. I expect him to be traded before the end of the season so anything he gives on either side of the court would be a bonus. I don't expect him to replace JRich in terms of fit and chemistry with Nash.

[AJ15]

It was already a contract year and he was scrubbing. What makes you think this is any different? As much as I wanted him to be that 26ppg/6reb/5 assist guy for our team, he never panned out to be remotely close to that player he was in NJ. He's good when he's on..ice cold when he's not...

you want him to average 26-6-5 but it's impossible with 12 FGA, 30 minutes per game. Plus, he rarely gets touches because of JaME-FIRST Nelson. You want him to be like Anthony or Kobe but Magic never gave him that chance.

Kobe: 26ppg, 20 FGApg, 45% FG, 5.1rpg, 4.6apg
Anthony: 24ppg, 19 FGApg, 44% FG, 8.3rpg, 3.3apg
Vince: 16ppg, 12 FGApg, 47% FG, 3.9rpg, 3.0apg

seriously, don't you think he can score 8 more points if he takes 8 more shots? Vince can average 20+ -5-5 if you let him play. It's clear that Orlando didn't use Vince properly and efficiently. Whenever he made 3 or 4 shots, he went to the bench and sat there at least 8 minutes.

don't forget, there were only 3 guys who averaged over 20-5-5 in 07 and 08 seasons. Lebron, Kobe and Vince.

and when he's not there..not only is he not there physiclaly, he is not there mentally either in those games which sucks.

i agree with this though.

[ht11]

Although I can tell you firsthand all the criticism of VC's lack of heart/desire is overblown, he is a guy who plays better when motivated by external factors. I really think having been traded by Orlando in that fashion, after all the hype of him coming home to win a ring, he's really going to want to prove to people he can still play... Not to mention its also basically a contract year.

It was already a contract year and he was scrubbing. What makes you think this is any different? As much as I wanted him to be that 26ppg/6reb/5 assist guy for our team, he never panned out to be remotely close to that player he was in NJ. He's good when he's on..ice cold when he's not...and when he's not there..not only is he not there physiclaly, he is not there mentally either in those games which sucks.

First of all anybody who was expecting him to be anything close to 26/6/5 was just setting themselves up for failure. Given that he came to the Magic at the age of 33, coming off back to back 20/5/5 seasons and adjusting to a smaller role everybody who actually knew the game was expecting closer to 18/5/5.

Year 1 with the Magic was rough mainly because the adjustment period took so long. But should that surprise anybody? We're talking about a guy who filled the role of his respective squads superstar for 11 years having to adjust to being used as a glorified role player. But other than some early struggles and that dreadful month of january he had a very solid campaign.. the only real damper on that year was his playoff series against the Celtics, but bear in mind that thru the Cavs and Magic series that Celtics squad was playing some all-time great defense.


Now this season he was playing in an even more minimized role. The guy was used primarily as a spot up shooter, his minutes were limited and his touches were sporadic. Given his role he was actually performing very well, playing very efficient and even led the team in defensive rating.

For about a 4 game stretch we saw what VC could still do as a the primarily perimeter option (when nelson was out) and he was basically putting up 20/5/5, obviously thats a tiny sample size but there is no reason he's not going to put up that or better with the Suns given all of the variabs.

[CALPURNIA]

I think we should get a third point guard in order to avoid a deficiency in that part of the game when/if Nash or Dragic get injured.
We have for sure two many wings and none of them can handle tha baell good enough to be a guard in case of necessity.

[phx#7]

I think we should get a third point guard in order to avoid a deficiency in that part of the game when/if Nash or Dragic get injured.
We have for sure two many wings and none of them can handle tha baell good enough to be a guard in case of necessity.

Or maybe the Suns should try to get a starting PF before worrying about getting a 3rd string PG.

[Sun Scorched]

I think we should get a third point guard in order to avoid a deficiency in that part of the game when/if Nash or Dragic get injured.
We have for sure two many wings and none of them can handle tha baell good enough to be a guard in case of necessity.

Or maybe the Suns should try to get a starting PF before worrying about getting a 3rd string PG.

Something like Pietrus + Warrick for Murphy at the trade deadline would accomplish a couple of things:

1. Suns get a PF tailor-made for their system
2. Suns get out from under Warrick's contract
3. Suns reduce their exposure at the wing

PG - Nash / Dragic
SG - Carter / Childress
SF - Hill / Dudley
PF - Murphy / Frye
C - Gortat / Lopez

Granted, we become a bunch of 30-somethings chasing the improbable, but that would still be a scary team when motivated. Seriously.

That, and you would have $30m expiring out of roughly $70m in salary.

[Vinsane15]

VC highlights of his last game with Orlando


Wow, tons of games here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/vc15encyclopedia

yea VC has a lot of dedicated fans that have recorded and saved many of his games...

some memorable VC games vs Suns:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNw7v3cVAsw[/youtube]

46 points:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=karn12KKbDs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCJH5Zq_TZU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLY7mlYxy9Y[/youtube]

[Cutter]

I agree with Kerrsed. VC plays out the year, then signs a veterans contract of some type for 3 years. I'd pay him 4-5Mil / year to come off the bench or start as needed.

[NapoleonII]

Woe to you who put your faith in Vince Carter.


He is the opposite of a Nash or a Grant Hill. The dude is a loser and has no heart. He had more tools than Kobe, and has failed time and time again. I'm all for second chances, but not at the expense of Nash's last few years. I hope we trade his expiring contract ASAP.


Happy to have the Polish Hammer here. We continue our great tradition of Polish players established by Maciej Lampe.


Sucks losing JRICH, but his main contribution was 3 point shooting, which we can always replace. I loved his rebounding and ally-oops tho.

[Vinsane15]

Woe to you who put your faith in Vince Carter.


He is the opposite of a Nash or a Grant Hill. The dude is a loser and has no heart. He had more tools than Kobe, and has failed time and time again. I'm all for second chances, but not at the expense of Nash's last few years. I hope we trade his expiring contract ASAP.


Happy to have the Polish Hammer here. We continue our great tradition of Polish players established by Maciej Lampe.


Sucks losing JRICH, but his main contribution was 3 point shooting, which we can always replace. I loved his rebounding and ally-oops tho.

yea what a winner Grant was before Phoenix....all those playoff series wins...ooh sh*t nvm...the only thing he ever won was Tamia. How did VC "fail" from time and time again?

J-Rich was good because of Nash. He will always be knows as a poor man's VC.

[Sun Scorched]

Woe to you who put your faith in Vince Carter.


He is the opposite of a Nash or a Grant Hill. The dude is a loser and has no heart. He had more tools than Kobe, and has failed time and time again. I'm all for second chances, but not at the expense of Nash's last few years. I hope we trade his expiring contract ASAP.


Happy to have the Polish Hammer here. We continue our great tradition of Polish players established by Maciej Lampe.


Sucks losing JRICH, but his main contribution was 3 point shooting, which we can always replace. I loved his rebounding and ally-oops tho.

yea what a winner Grant was before Phoenix....all those playoff series wins...ooh sh*t nvm...the only thing he ever won was Tamia. How did VC "fail" from time and time again?

J-Rich was good because of Nash. He will always be knows as a poor man's VC.

I don't think we're talking "winner" in terms of games "won" so much as it involves the players attitude.

Still, I'm not worried about Carter. PHX is rejuvenating and I think he'll click offensively, which is all you really need to keep him engaged.