10 man rotation ain't gonna work

[spolgar]

On any given team going on offense, you need someone to set up the offense, designated scorers, generally one on the wing, one on the post, one guy to get the offensive rebound and another guy who can shoot well enough to setup the spacing. That's your 5.

On defense, you need a defender per each opposing player doing what was listed prior. Not only do your post defender(s) need to defend, they also now need to rebound. Some of them whom are able shot blockers have an additional role to play when the ball is funneled to them on a dribble penetration via defensive schemes. Coupled with your ball stopper and your passing lane defenders (i.e. your defensive minded point guard and your wings), every player has at least one role to play on offense and one role to play on defense.

On some teams, you might be lucky enough to have one person do two things well on offense and do one thing well on defense. This person will naturally play more minutes. However, if we look at the roster here, with the exception of Lowry and Scola, we don't have any two way players. Brooks isn't one, Martin isn't one, Battier is too offensively limited most nights to be one, Brian Miller is seldom a rebounder, rarely a shotblocker and at best plays sieve like defense. Since this team lacks two way players, it is very important to have a full roster of capable folks who the coach can employ on a min/max on any given night to deal with matchups. If we had more multi-role players, the roster could feasibly be shortened, but right now doing so, I feel, would leave certain players to be overworked.

[Guy986]

Personally i prefer a 8 man rotation myself. But considering this personnel, 9 is probably ideal.

If you look at our PG situation, regardless of who starts, one of them isn't gonna be happy playing 16MPG off the bench. That means in order to keep both of our PG happy, Lowry must be getting minutes from the SG spots.

If i was the coach, i would kick Budinger off the rotation entirely. Give Courtney Lee's SG minutes to Lowry and give Budinger's minutes to Lee.

My rotation would look like this:

Brooks(32)/ Lowry(16)
Martin(31)/ Lowry(11)/Lee(6)
Battier(28)/ Lee(20)
Scola(32)/(Hill16)
Hayes(24)/Miller(16)/Hill(8)

Total MPG would look like this:

Brooks 32
Lowry 27
Martin 31
Lee 26
Battier 28
Scola 32
Hill 24
Hayes 24
Miller 16


My only concern is can Lee defend SF? He's only 6'4 200 pounds. Can he guard the Lebrons, Paul Pierce of the world? Probably not. Eventhough Lee isn't an Ideal SF defender, we are still not losing anything defensively by removing Budinger out of the rotation. There isn't anyone in the world Budinger can guard that Lee couldn't.

[Teckon]

My version:

Lowry is playing well with the starters. The 2nd unit lacks scoring punch even if Lowry is back to bench while the starters have more than enough firepower. Brooks should come from bench but both should play in the 4th if the small ball game is effective.

Lowry (30)/Brooks (18)
Martin (30)/Brooks (12)/TWill (6)
Battier (30)/TWill (18)
Scola (30)/Hill (18)
Hayes (20)/Miller (20)/Hill (8)

TWill the only 2 way player among the wing position get the spot from Lee/Budinger
Lee will play backup PG when Brooks or Lowry is not effective in defending big PG
Budinger will play backup SF when TWill lose a screw in this brain.


Total
Lowry 30
Martin 30
Battier 30
Scola 30
Brooks 30
Hill 26
TWill 24
Miller 20
Hayes 20

[M4P]

My version:

Lowry is playing well with the starters. The 2nd unit lacks scoring punch even if Lowry is back to bench while the starters have more than enough firepower. Brooks should come from bench but both should play in the 4th if the small ball game is effective.

Lowry (30)/Brooks (18)
Martin (30)/Brooks (12)/TWill (6)
Battier (30)/TWill (18)
Scola (30)/Hill (18)
Hayes (20)/Miller (20)/Hill (8)

TWill the only 2 way player among the wing position get the spot from Lee/Budinger
Lee will play backup PG when Brooks or Lowry is not effective in defending big PG
Budinger will play backup SF when TWill lose a screw in this brain.


Total
Lowry 30
Martin 30
Battier 30
Scola 30
Brooks 30
Hill 26
TWill 24
Miller 20
Hayes 20

TWill will not be ahead of Lee or even Bud in the rotation right off the bat. He's going to have to prove it. I do agree that Brooks should stay in the second unit though.

Another thing - Martin and Brooks should never be on the court together except during scoring droughts. It's just way too embarrassing.

[Guy986]

My version:

Lowry is playing well with the starters. The 2nd unit lacks scoring punch even if Lowry is back to bench while the starters have more than enough firepower. Brooks should come from bench but both should play in the 4th if the small ball game is effective.

Lowry (30)/Brooks (18)
Martin (30)/Brooks (12)/TWill (6)
Battier (30)/TWill (18)
Scola (30)/Hill (18)
Hayes (20)/Miller (20)/Hill (8)

TWill the only 2 way player among the wing position get the spot from Lee/Budinger
Lee will play backup PG when Brooks or Lowry is not effective in defending big PG
Budinger will play backup SF when TWill lose a screw in this brain.


Total
Lowry 30
Martin 30
Battier 30
Scola 30
Brooks 30
Hill 26
TWill 24
Miller 20
Hayes 20

TWill will not be ahead of Lee or even Bud in the rotation right off the bat. He's going to have to prove it. I do agree that Brooks should stay in the second unit though.

Another thing - Martin and Brooks should never be on the court together except during scoring droughts. It's just way too embarrassing.

Yea don't see Twill supplanting both Budinger AND Lee in the rotation. Just dont see it. I'll like to see it though.

[Teckon]

My version:

Lowry is playing well with the starters. The 2nd unit lacks scoring punch even if Lowry is back to bench while the starters have more than enough firepower. Brooks should come from bench but both should play in the 4th if the small ball game is effective.

Lowry (30)/Brooks (18)
Martin (30)/Brooks (12)/TWill (6)
Battier (30)/TWill (18)
Scola (30)/Hill (18)
Hayes (20)/Miller (20)/Hill (8)

TWill the only 2 way player among the wing position get the spot from Lee/Budinger
Lee will play backup PG when Brooks or Lowry is not effective in defending big PG
Budinger will play backup SF when TWill lose a screw in this brain.


Total
Lowry 30
Martin 30
Battier 30
Scola 30
Brooks 30
Hill 26
TWill 24
Miller 20
Hayes 20

TWill will not be ahead of Lee or even Bud in the rotation right off the bat. He's going to have to prove it. I do agree that Brooks should stay in the second unit though.

Another thing - Martin and Brooks should never be on the court together except during scoring droughts. It's just way too embarrassing.

Did not say this is for the next game but seeing this as the eventual standard distribution for the team by 2nd half of the season. TWill has 2 way potential so he will be valuable for a team full of specialists other than Lowry and Scola. Hill has 2 way potential too if he improve his on court awareness.

[MaxRider]

Personally i prefer a 8 man rotation myself. But considering this personnel, 9 is probably ideal.

If you look at our PG situation, regardless of who starts, one of them isn't gonna be happy playing 16MPG off the bench. That means in order to keep both of our PG happy, Lowry must be getting minutes from the SG spots.

If i was the coach, i would kick Budinger off the rotation entirely. Give Courtney Lee's SG minutes to Lowry and give Budinger's minutes to Lee.

My rotation would look like this:

Brooks(32)/ Lowry(16)
Martin(31)/ Lowry(11)/Lee(6)
Battier(28)/ Lee(20)
Scola(32)/(Hill16)
Hayes(24)/Miller(16)/Hill(8)

Total MPG would look like this:

Brooks 32
Lowry 27
Martin 31
Lee 26
Battier 28
Scola 32
Hill 24
Hayes 24
Miller 16


My only concern is can Lee defend SF? He's only 6'4 200 pounds. Can he guard the Lebrons, Paul Pierce of the world? Probably not. Eventhough Lee isn't an Ideal SF defender, we are still not losing anything defensively by removing Budinger out of the rotation. There isn't anyone in the world Budinger can guard that Lee couldn't.

seriously how many people can guard LeBron?

[rocketsballin]

usually it's humanly impossible for a 6'5 200lb guard to defend players that are 6'9 230lbs. he can guard the smaller forwards but not guys that are 6'9 230lbs. they'll post him up all day, or drive on him.