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Cashman standing pat on pitching 

Post#1 » by Pharmcat » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:25 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/ ... id=5938789

sounds like a guy whose given up on the season already

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Post#2 » by KnickelandDime » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:49 pm

We just made the ALCS when half of our players were having the worst seasons of their career and we're two seasons removed from 103 wins and a WS. Stop overreacting and let our guys surprise you. If they don't you know next offseason will be a spending spree bonanza.
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Post#3 » by rappa » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:16 pm

given up? It's called having patience and he's 100% RIGHT to do so.

The way the team is constructed, its still a top 3 team in the AL. The pessimism on some of you is just down right sad, believe in you're team one time and stop crying.
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Post#4 » by Dr. Detfink » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:27 am

Here! Here! Yea, the Yanks aren't going into the tanker just cause Cliff Lee signed with the Phillies. There's always a pitcher available at the trading deadline anyways if the Yanks must upgrade.

Here's a question...say Pettitte doesn't return...do you give one of the two available spots to Joba and give him a LAST chance to prove himself as a starter?
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Post#5 » by KnickelandDime » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:22 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:Here! Here! Yea, the Yanks aren't going into the tanker just cause Cliff Lee signed with the Phillies. There's always a pitcher available at the trading deadline anyways if the Yanks must upgrade.

Here's a question...say Pettitte doesn't return...do you give one of the two available spots to Joba and give him a LAST chance to prove himself as a starter?

I don't want to risk stretching his arm out again and lose even more effectiveness if he returns to the bullpen. Let's pray he turns into a worthy heir of Mo and expect him to be a solid setupman/strikeout specialist. I don't think it matters though. I've heard Pettitte is planning on returning.
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Post#6 » by Pharmcat » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:50 am

what happened the last time the yanks relied on ipk, hughes, etc?

it was a disaster
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Post#7 » by KnickelandDime » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:44 am

Pharmcat wrote:what happened the last time the yanks relied on ipk, hughes, etc?

it was a disaster

Well that settles it, we suck. I don't want him to make a move while he has zero leverage. Let's wait until things shape up, wait for our assets in the minors to mature, hope that someone other than CC stepsup and remember that baseball, unlike basketball, really can be seperated into offense and defense. As long as we score more runs than the other team we win.
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Post#8 » by moocow007 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:23 pm

My guess is he's saying that just so teams don't think the Yankees are desperate and try to fleece them for their odds and ends pitchers. Do I believe for a second that he actually means it? Not at all. Do I believe that Cashman is fine going into the season with the pitchers he has? Not at all.

If anything he'll end up signing a veteran pitcher so that he wouldn't have to rely on Nova AND Mitre at the back of the rotation. Whether that means trading Nova for a more proven starter or signing a veteran pitcher and moving Mitre to his ideal role (insurance, long reliever)...something will happen.

I think eventually someone like Carlos Zambrano will end up with the team. 2 years and $36 million is pocket change for the Yankees especially considering there is no light at the end of the tunnel in terms of top notch starters in the next couple years on the FA market.
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Post#9 » by Dr. Detfink » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:25 pm

See this is the misconception with "value." As no doubt you have read in the Knicks forum, the Nuggets don't respect any of the talent the Knicks have. They'd rather give up Melo for nothing.

Value is subjective. You only have value when a team wants something from you. Very few Yankee prospects have panned out for opposing teams. Austin Jackson being the most recent. This is why teams are looking to fleece the Yanks because they are not completely sold on whatever package Daddy big bucks is advertising.

If Z had anything left, Larry Rothschild would already be called into Brian Cashman's office by now. He's always been a head case but now, he's nowhere near the value he was when the Cubs gave him that ridiculous contract.

I think Cashman's goal is to get the Yanks under the luxury tax and to fill in from within before he'll make a move...and I'm fine with that. I'd just wish Hal "Bean Counting" Steinbrenner was more honest about it.
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Post#10 » by nykgeneralmanager » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:30 pm

LOL, giving up. This team was 2 games away from another WS appearance and the same team will be returning this year (healthier with hopefully a better bullpen).

Sure this wasn't your typical reloading in the off-season that we're used to, but if Burnett is better, Hughes continues to get better, and the bullpen is better, that can go a long long way for this team. And I can't see either of those 3 things not happening.
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Post#11 » by nykgeneralmanager » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:32 pm

Pharmcat wrote:what happened the last time the yanks relied on ipk, hughes, etc?

it was a disaster

That was one year with 3 rookies and no ace like C.C. At worst this year we will have 1 rookie in the rotation. Hardly comparable.
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Re: Cashman standing pat on pitching 

Post#12 » by Jitpal » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:47 pm

Remember when Cashman said Bubba Crosby was going to be a starting OFer? -Jitpal
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Post#13 » by Dr. Detfink » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:18 pm

Haha...Bubba Crosby AND Bubba Trammell. :lol:

LF has always been a rotating position for the Yankees. Interesting that rumor about Cashman inquiring about Damon. Which case, I gotta say that has to be nothing but a rumor especially after Cashman was so defiant about giving into Damon's price demands. Why now?

One young player I really like is Greg Golson. He played RF and made that incredible throw to nail Carl Crawford trying to stretch a double into a triple. To me, Yanks can improve the defense along the left side would really be beneficial.

Not souring on Gardner (though I do believe he's more of a stop gap than a cog) but just saying if you're going to give playing time off the bench get some defense. The offence, you can live with.

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