[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[Jmonty580]

LOL 95% chance that he wont go into FA. lol he talks like he knows what is going to happen.

[JoeDog10]

How does this board feel about including Landry Fields in a deal for Melo? If you had to give a percentage for/against, what do you think it would be?

I'm a Bulls fan, but I've really enjoyed watching the Knicks this year and have been able to catch most of their games. But the guy that always seems to stick out to me each game is Fields. He's very active both offensively and defensively, and the Knicks seem to be a much better team when he's on the floor. I've never been a fan of the terms "glue guy" or "intangibles", but he's just one of those guys that fits that description. He reminds me of Kirk Hinrich in his "prime", but with a lot more talent.

If it were me, I think I would want to sell high on a 2nd round draft pick like him, even though what he's doing is not a fluke and he's going to be a very solid player in this league for a long time. But, I'm not invested in the Knicks like you guys are, so I'm just curious as to your thoughts. I mean, after all, it is Carmelo Anthony.

[Pharmcat]

Moz isnt expiring, hes on a 3 year deal.

Draft picks would be in the 20s if we're talking about actually being good.

The MLE/LLE likely wont be enough to add a legit BIG MAN which is what we would need more than anything. Good big men all get much more than that, so youd have to hope an over the hill one takes less to "ring chase".

Like I said its not that simple. Wed be years down the line before we saw results. This is why Donnie is being careful. If he can wait till Free Agency hes going to do it. We'll get to keep Gallo, Fields, Randolph, and picks. Those guys will be our "Odom, Bynum, Brown, and Artest" who again do not just grown on trees.

Again Im trying to build a CHAMPION. Its harder than some realize and not as simple as "stars first, depth second." If that was the case then every good wing/big man combo would have won a championship. ITS NOT THAT EASY. Just let Donnie do his job and pump the brakes.

Moz first yr is guaranteed, the rest is team option, hence he counts as expiring as team can choose not to exercise option

perfect time to pick seasoned players is in the 20s, all the high potential guys are gone by then, and you can get the seniors and what not, guys that just come in and can play and you know what you get, and there is always talent in the 20s

you do know the lakers used the mle to get artest, right?

[Jmonty580]

How does this board feel about including Landry Fields in a deal for Melo? If you had to give a percentage for/against, what do you think it would be?

I'm a Bulls fan, but I've really enjoyed watching the Knicks this year and have been able to catch most of their games. But the guy that always seems to stick out to me each game is Fields. He's very active both offensively and defensively, and the Knicks seem to be a much better team when he's on the floor. I've never been a fan of the terms "glue guy" or "intangibles", but he's just one of those guys that fits that description. He reminds me of Kirk Hinrich in his "prime", but with a lot more talent.

If it were me, I think I would want to sell high on a 2nd round draft pick like him, even though what he's doing is not a fluke and he's going to be a very solid player in this league for a long time. But, I'm not invested in the Knicks like you guys are, so I'm just curious as to your thoughts. I mean, after all, it is Carmelo Anthony.

If they want Fields as the primary player in a Melo trade they got it. If its Fields and Gallo or Chandler... eh they may be pushing it but they might still get that. Fields, Chandler and Gallo? Nope.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Wojina sounds so uncertain when he speaks. It almost sounds like he talks outta his ass...

[stuporman]

It's funny, this Adrian guy is like if anyone tells Melo he'll still get paid after the CBA to not trust them, nobody knows what will happen but then goes on to act like he knows that salaries will get scaled back and that Melo will not get paid... lol what a hypocrite!

Stars are going to get paid, they are going to get guaranteed con tracts and a new CBA isn't going to change that. The role players and fringe players who don't live up to their contracts are the ones who will get the shaft in the new CBA, not the stars. They are getting paid before, after and down the road, that much you can be sure of.

[god shammgod]

Wojina sounds so uncertain when he speaks. It almost sounds like he talks outta his ass...

none of these guys are really certain. what does it matter if they're wrong ? they're not going to lose their job over it. their job is just to get people to read what they write. being accurate is secondary at best.

[Jay10]

Picks, uncertain talent, is better than Gallo, Fields, and Chandler. lol, why does this guy have a job?

to go against the grain like he just did

[Pedro Pistolas]

can we ban pharmcat already. all he does is complain about walsh no matter what. hes almost as bad as optimus

The guy gets empowered when there's controversy or distress clouding the organization. The guy was no where to be found when we were on that win streak...

[god shammgod]

How does this board feel about including Landry Fields in a deal for Melo? If you had to give a percentage for/against, what do you think it would be?

I'm a Bulls fan, but I've really enjoyed watching the Knicks this year and have been able to catch most of their games. But the guy that always seems to stick out to me each game is Fields. He's very active both offensively and defensively, and the Knicks seem to be a much better team when he's on the floor. I've never been a fan of the terms "glue guy" or "intangibles", but he's just one of those guys that fits that description. He reminds me of Kirk Hinrich in his "prime", but with a lot more talent.

If it were me, I think I would want to sell high on a 2nd round draft pick like him, even though what he's doing is not a fluke and he's going to be a very solid player in this league for a long time. But, I'm not invested in the Knicks like you guys are, so I'm just curious as to your thoughts. I mean, after all, it is Carmelo Anthony.

If they want Fields as the primary player in a Melo trade they got it. If its Fields and Gallo or Chandler... eh they may be pushing it but they might still get that. Fields, Chandler and Gallo? Nope.

i don't think donnie has offered both fields & gallo yet. he's probably waiting till he hears melo may be willing to accept an offer somewhere else before he presents his best one.

[Fat Kat]

Wojina sounds so uncertain when he speaks. It almost sounds like he talks outta his ass...

Talking out of his ass is precisely what he's doing. We learned in the Lebron fiasco that you can make up a story, run with it, and get proven wrong with no ramifications.

The talking clam is a better source than these clowns.

[TrueWarrior]

Moz isnt expiring, hes on a 3 year deal.

Draft picks would be in the 20s if we're talking about actually being good.

The MLE/LLE likely wont be enough to add a legit BIG MAN which is what we would need more than anything. Good big men all get much more than that, so youd have to hope an over the hill one takes less to "ring chase".

Like I said its not that simple. Wed be years down the line before we saw results. This is why Donnie is being careful. If he can wait till Free Agency hes going to do it. We'll get to keep Gallo, Fields, Randolph, and picks. Those guys will be our "Odom, Bynum, Brown, and Artest" who again do not just grown on trees.

Again Im trying to build a CHAMPION. Its harder than some realize and not as simple as "stars first, depth second." If that was the case then every good wing/big man combo would have won a championship. ITS NOT THAT EASY. Just let Donnie do his job and pump the brakes.

Moz first yr is guaranteed, the rest is team option, hence he counts as expiring as team can choose not to exercise option

perfect time to pick seasoned players is in the 20s, all the high potential guys are gone by then, and you can get the seniors and what not, guys that just come in and can play and you know what you get, and there is always talent in the 20s

you do know the lakers used the mle to get artest, right?

And Artest is not what we would need, he took a discount to win a ring on a team that JUST WON A RING. Wed need a BIG MAN. Not another SF. You arent getting a championship level big man for the MLE. How did the Lakers get Bynum and Odom? Lottery pick (which we wouldnt be able to get) and trading friggin SHAQ! We dont have a Shaq to trade do we? Like I said all our assets would be gone.

If thats true on Moz then my bad. Never heard that mentioned.

As far are the CBA goes, werent they talking about taking the MLE away all together? Or at least reducing it? Who knows what they do but if that happened wed be screwed even more.

And now we're relying on "seasoned" rookies to win us a ring? You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real. Again you're talking YEARS down the line before you see real benefits with that thinking though. We also traded our pick next season do you remember? So thats one more year of waiting unless we buy a very late one.

You need stars + top notch depth to win it all. Not D Leaguers/over the hill bums/scrubs. This is why the Heat will not win a championship as early as others think, and they are better than Amare/Melo/Felton ever will be. They are going to need to sure up their team to get to that level. But its worth it to gut the team for LeBron, not Melo!

[seren]

My understanding of the situation is Donnie made an offer. Denver refused it. Denver needs to come up with what they want so that negotiations can restart. Without that, there is no point to make another offer.

[god shammgod]

You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real.

is this a serious thought ?

[TrueWarrior]

You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real.

is this a serious thought ?

Speak your mind. You were the one getting all up on dk7th for not wanting to give up Fields in a trade. Well after Fields has racked up ROOKIE OF THE MONTH honors it seems he was right on the guy.

So yes you cant just find a guy like Fields in every draft. There is usually only 1 player like him that slips through the cracks (Wesley Matthews) but they are not as easy to find as you say.

My point is relying on rookies to win a ring is not a smart thing to do is it?

No use arguing with you though. You're firmly in that "stars first, depth second" camp that has no idea how to improve the team if we gutted it besides hail mary passes and shots in the dark.

[ibraheim718]

Truwarrior.... how can you sit there and make that argument in the wake of what boston has done to win a chip and in the face of what miami has done to be aformidable contender? In both cases neither let one freaking role player get in the way of what they thought was the quickest way to a chip.

Um LeBron/Wade/Bosh and Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett > Melo/Amare/Felton.

Are you really going to compare them? Jeez. Do people forget about defense? Im flat out telling you Melo/Amare/Felton with some decent role players is taking us NOWHERE. But continue dreaming.

First,,, Allen and Pierce both weren't considered great defenders prior to the unification of their big 3. Amar'e has already taking a step up in his defense who's to say Melo doesn't step his defense up also. He did in the WCF against the lakers 2 years ago.

Second,,, Melo/amare/felton with mediocre role players is taking is way further than Amare/felton and better role players..... that's just basketball man. You don't value role players over superstar players that's just plain dumb.

[GONYK]

You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real.

is this a serious thought ?

Speak your mind. You were the one getting all up on dk7th for not wanting to give up Fields in a trade. Well after Fields has racked up ROOKIE OF THE MONTH honors it seems he was right on the guy.

So yes you cant just find a guy like Fields in every draft. There is usually only 1 player like him that slips through the cracks (Wesley Matthews) but they are not as easy to find as you say.

My point is relying on rookies to win a ring is not a smart thing to do is it?

No use arguing with you though. You're firmly in that "stars first, depth second" camp that has no idea how to improve the team if we gutted it besides hail mary passes and shots in the dark.

There is one main reason we should not trade Fields, besides everything you stated above.

Because we don't have to.

[ibraheim718]

You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real.

is this a serious thought ?

Speak your mind. You were the one getting all up on dk7th for not wanting to give up Fields in a trade. Well after Fields has racked up ROOKIE OF THE MONTH honors it seems he was right on the guy.

So yes you cant just find a guy like Fields in every draft. There is usually only 1 player like him that slips through the cracks (Wesley Matthews) but they are not as easy to find as you say.

My point is relying on rookies to win a ring is not a smart thing to do is it?

No use arguing with you though. You're firmly in that "stars first, depth second" camp that has no idea how to improve the team if we gutted it besides hail mary passes and shots in the dark.

You may not be able to find a guy like fields in the second round easily but if you target a guy similar to him in the first round it can be done.

[stuporman]

Look at all of the complimentary players around the title winners..... where were they picked? The majority of them were picked outside of the lottery. I love the Knicks complimentary players, the young players but in a trade you have to give up quality to get quality. At least the Knicks are viewed as a team that has quality now even if the Nugs are playing ignorant on it.

[ibraheim718]

@gonyk... can you elaborate as to why if denver asks for fields to get the deal done donnie can just say no and be sure they don't trade him elsewhere?