[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[moocow007]

As far as Denver not wanting to feel like they've been punked...Melo should realize that if he doesn't stick to his guns he'll be the one that got punked and lost the staring match. Walsh apparently is not blinking (possibly because he's napping ) and it looks like Junior over their in Denver is dictating that his stooge Ujiri also not blink. So Melo...it's all up to you big boy.

[Pharmcat]

And Artest is not what we would need, he took a discount to win a ring on a team that JUST WON A RING. Wed need a BIG MAN. Not another SF. You arent getting a championship level big man for the MLE. How did the Lakers get Bynum and Odom? Lottery pick (which we wouldnt be able to get) and trading friggin SHAQ! We dont have a Shaq to trade do we? Like I said all our assets would be gone.

If thats true on Moz then my bad. Never heard that mentioned.

As far are the CBA goes, werent they talking about taking the MLE away all together? Or at least reducing it? Who knows what they do but if that happened wed be screwed even more.

And now we're relying on "seasoned" rookies to win us a ring? You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real. Again you're talking YEARS down the line before you see real benefits with that thinking though. We also traded our pick next season do you remember? So thats one more year of waiting unless we buy a very late one.

You need stars + top notch depth to win it all. Not D Leaguers/over the hill bums/scrubs. This is why the Heat will not win a championship as early as others think, and they are better than Amare/Melo/Felton ever will be. They are going to need to sure up their team to get to that level. But its worth it to gut the team for LeBron, not Melo!

george hill taken 26th in the draft led the spurs to beat the mavs in the playoffs

you can add the depth and secondary pieces via draft, lle, mle, etc

stars first, depth 2nd

heck, the last player taken in the 08 draft has now started games at C for the celtics

[god shammgod]

It's over! Teams Open To 'Renting' Carmelo
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... g_carmelo/


The sources wouldn't identify the teams, but Dallas could be one team that has inquired.

My guess is the mystery team that an unnamed source has absolutely no proof of wanting to rent Carmelo is...

The Vancouver Canucks

I'm betting the package to rent will be significantly lower than the package to own. Say expiring + pick versus expiring + young talent + multiple picks. It really isn't a big deal unless Denver is too stubborn to turn down a better package from NY to take less from another team. -Jitpal

Yep.

If Denver really is willing to cut off it's own nose to spite its face then there's really nothing NY can do about it. If they want to accept "rent-a-Melo" packages just to keep him out of NY then more power to them.

Based on what I've heard Junior Kroenke (who apparently is now in charge) would be that type of spiteful guy. If true, then, what can you do.

The funny thing is that in an attempt to not have Melo and the Knicks get the last laugh, they might indeed end up being exactly that.

Yes...by all means...Rodrique Beaubois is da bomb yo (rather than the most overrated young player in the NBA) and boy a couple of Maverick picks are sweeeeeet.

yeah, if they're willing to spite themselves in that way there's nothing you can do but you'd have to believe that any competent gm wouldn't be so emotional about it.

[makeitstop]

yeah, if they're willing to spite themselves in that way there's nothing you can do but you'd have to believe that any competent gm wouldn't be so emotional about it.

It seems like there are a few GMs in the league that run like that. Grunfeld still holds a grudge against us, Kahn too.

It sure looks like the ones that hold grudges hold them against us, though.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

I think its either MELO or bust for the Nets, They know they are going to have to compete with the Knicks in Revenue and Wins/Reputation in NY.

Theirs no way the Brooklyn "Nets" would gain any fans where in just the next town theirs a team called the Knicks that would have Amar'e and Carmelo and ALOT better team. Thats why their willing to trade so much for him, they need a golden boy and player to market in NY. Unless they think Brook Lopez is such a Media Darling

[dancing dervish]

Some here still don't understand the whole picture and why there is good reason to push for a trade prior to the deadline:

1.We do NOT have to necessarily include Curry in a deal for Melo which means that his already paid 11mill. expiring contract can be used in a seperate deal for a big man or other position of need.

2.We cannot use the MLE in the summer if we have to wait for Melo which hurts our chances at further depths.

3.We have to let go of Chandler and trade Turiaf just to make enough room to get Melo here.

So the opportunity cost of getting Melo via FA is Chandler+Turiaf+MLE+letting Curry's contract expire.

You are basically looking at our current team minus Chandler and Turiaf and plus Melo. It's an upgrade but really not more than a 50-55 win team and second round exit. You'd need another 2 drafts and FA periods in order to get the necessary supporting cast (especially big men) for a title contender.

Scenario 2 would be a Melo trade during the season. Walsh could package Chandler(3mill)+Gallo(4mill.)+Buike(3mill.)+Mozgov (2mill.) or AR (2mill.) and 3mill. cash for Melo straight up.
Then he could use Curry's expiring contract which is paid already for a solid big man like Dalembert or Camby. If by the deadline Portland is out of the playoff race I'm sure Curry's already paid contract is a decent asset for Portland or Sacramento.
In the summer you not only extend that big man that you got via trade but you also have the MLE to add further wing depth (like a good combo guard for example/like Crawford for example or Barbosa).

[dancing dervish]

You could be essentially looking at:

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Douglas/Walker
Melo/Williams
Stoudemire/Williams
Dalembert/Turiaf

In the summer you extend Dalembert,add another player through the draft and use the MLE to add another quality player or two decent rotation player.

If you simply wait for Melo you are looking at:

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Douglas
Melo/Gallo
Stoudemire/AR
Mozgov/Stoudemire

Compare the first one to the second one and tell me you want to wait for Melo

[CHARLYMURPHY]

You could be essentially looking at:

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Douglas/Walker
Melo/Williams
Stoudemire/Williams
Dalembert/Turiaf

In the summer you extend Dalembert,add another player through the draft and use the MLE to add another quality player or two decent rotation player.

Bench wouldnt be great, but boy would our starting lineup be stacked.

[dancing dervish]

You could be essentially looking at:

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Douglas/Walker
Melo/Williams
Stoudemire/Williams
Dalembert/Turiaf

In the summer you extend Dalembert,add another player through the draft and use the MLE to add another quality player or two decent rotation player.

Bench wouldnt be great, but boy would our starting lineup be stacked.

Well it really depends on what you do with the MLE and the first round draft pick. You could add 2-3 solid players with those assets. You could draft a decent combo guard and add a good backup SF/PF with the full MLE.

[dancing dervish]

Jamal Crawford
Boris Diaw
Mo Williams
Anthony Parker
Aaron Afflalo
Pietrus
Carl Landry
Barbosa
Evans

are all guards or forwards in the MLE range that could be off tremendous help off the bench.

[dancing dervish]

My whole point is this: If you trade for Melo during the season, without including Curry's contract you can use that nice expiring and the MLE to add two MAJOR assets. Essentially if you find a deal with Denver around Gallo/Chandler/AR you not only have two superstars but also enough opportunities to more than compensate for the loss of Chandler and Gallo. Heck you could sign Chandler in the offseason for the MLE in all likelyhood.

[GONYK]

My whole point is this: If you trade for Melo during the season, without including Curry's contract you can use that nice expiring and the MLE to add two MAJOR assets. Essentially if you find a deal with Denver around Gallo/Chandler/AR you not only have two superstars but also enough opportunities to more than compensate for the loss of Chandler and Gallo. Heck you could sign Chandler in the offseason for the MLE in all likelyhood.

False

[Punk]

After everything is said and done, Denver's front office will forever look (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if they accept a lesser trade just to spite us and Melo.

[Context]

You know what the bottom line is people. If Melo wants to be here and win. He will let Denver know and if they don't want to play ball- he can wait till the end of the season. As far as the CBA situation; as someone mentioned earlier -both sides will not get everything they want. The NBA's not stupid. They will not cut their nose to spite their face in these economic times and that goes for the players as well.

Point: Melo will be a Knick if he really wants to be. If not than he really didn't want to be here...

[Jitpal]

You could be essentially looking at:

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Douglas/Walker
Melo/Williams
Stoudemire/Williams
Dalembert/Turiaf

In the summer you extend Dalembert,add another player through the draft and use the MLE to add another quality player or two decent rotation player.

Bench wouldnt be great, but boy would our starting lineup be stacked.

Build the bench next year. You don't buy new furniture before buying the house. -Jitpal

[GONYK]

You know what the bottom line is people. If Melo wants to be here and win. He will let Denver know and if they don't want to play ball- he can wait till the end of the season. As far as the CBA situation; as someone mentioned earlier -both sides will not get everything they want. The NBA's not stupid. They will not cut their nose to spite their face in these economic times and that goes for the players as well.

Point: Melo will be a Knick if he really wants to be. If not than he really didn't want to be here...

Exactly. It is Melo's job to get himself here, not Donnie's.

[Jitpal]

And Artest is not what we would need, he took a discount to win a ring on a team that JUST WON A RING. Wed need a BIG MAN. Not another SF. You arent getting a championship level big man for the MLE. How did the Lakers get Bynum and Odom? Lottery pick (which we wouldnt be able to get) and trading friggin SHAQ! We dont have a Shaq to trade do we? Like I said all our assets would be gone.

If thats true on Moz then my bad. Never heard that mentioned.

As far are the CBA goes, werent they talking about taking the MLE away all together? Or at least reducing it? Who knows what they do but if that happened wed be screwed even more.

And now we're relying on "seasoned" rookies to win us a ring? You think guys like Fields grow on trees? The only reason he dropped was because he looks like a Backstreet Boy lets be real. Again you're talking YEARS down the line before you see real benefits with that thinking though. We also traded our pick next season do you remember? So thats one more year of waiting unless we buy a very late one.

You need stars + top notch depth to win it all. Not D Leaguers/over the hill bums/scrubs. This is why the Heat will not win a championship as early as others think, and they are better than Amare/Melo/Felton ever will be. They are going to need to sure up their team to get to that level. But its worth it to gut the team for LeBron, not Melo!

george hill taken 26th in the draft led the spurs to beat the mavs in the playoffs

you can add the depth and secondary pieces via draft, lle, mle, etc

stars first, depth 2nd

heck, the last player taken in the 08 draft has now started games at C for the celtics

Ahem, our own Landry Fields is a great example of getting a depth guy with a late draft pick that can help the team. David Lee, Nate Robinson, Tony Douglas, Trevor Ariza etc. are all guys drafted late, by the Knicks, that are great depth guys. They aren't stars, but they do provide that depth to surround stars with. -Jitpal

[PrecociousNeoph]

melo getting traded to a rental team like dallas would be absolutely the best thing possible for us

[Pharmcat]

melo getting traded to a rental team like dallas would be absolutely the best thing possible for us

assuming their deep playoff run and the fans there dont change his mind

thats a big risk

[Jitpal]

melo getting traded to a rental team like dallas would be absolutely the best thing possible for us

assuming their deep playoff run and the fans there dont change his mind

thats a big risk

Dirk is the best player he has played with. If they can get deep in the playoffs or win a championship, how can Melo say no? It's not like Cuban would say "No Melo, we don't think you are worth the money". If the extension is the biggest thing for Melo and Dallas has an offer on the table while talks with NY haven't really budged, do you think Melo would say no thanks? Knicks have to be aggressive, they can't be desperate but they can't expect to lowball Denver either unless Melo makes it known its Knicks or bust to the world. -Jitpal