Suns DON'T Have Too Many Wings

TheMan44 · Post #1 » by **TheMan44** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:13 pm

Put all that "Rocket Man" bull aside if you are going to comment. I'm making a topic about something I've been thinking about as a Suns fan and would love to get your opinion on my new premise:

Contrary to popular belief, Suns do NOT have too many wings. They should not trade any of them.

The Suns have 5 players at the SG/SF slots. You need at least 4 (2 shooting and 2 small) for your rotation and 1 additional emergency back up SG/SF in case one of the 4 guys gets injured, suspended, fouled out, or sick. And for the Suns, you've got Vince and Grant who are both old. Vince is even considering knee surgery so you know you will need more wings to fill in his spot. Health always creeps up on you no matter who you are.

Every team has the minimum 5 wings or more:

Mavs (Terry, Marion, Butler, Stevenson, Novak, rookie Jones)
Spurs (Manu, Jefferson, Udoka, Neal, rookie Anderson)
Sixers (Kapono, Iggy, Meeks, Young, rookie Turner)
Wizards (Lewis, Young, Hinrich, Howard, Thornton, Martin)
Rockets (Lee, Budinger, Battier, TWilliams, Martin)

The list goes on and on. Cavs, Knicks, Hornets, Kings, Jazz, Hawks, Nets, Clippers, Bulls, Pacers, Warriors, Pistons, Blazers, Celtics, Bobcats, etc.

The Suns currently have a very stable, deep wing rotation. Probably one of the best in the NBA:

SG: Carter / Dudley / Childress
SF: Hill / Pietrus / Childress

If Vince is going to miss a month due to injury, the Suns simply use the other 4 wings with Josh coming in as the backup SF:

SG: Dudley / Pietrus
SF: Hill / Childress

Stix · Post #2 » by **Stix** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:23 pm

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Suns actually have 6 wings, Warrick can play SF... but is not considered one right now because we only play his at PF because of our abundance of wings. Any trade that brings an extra big body here, Warrick would be considered a back-up SF/PF. So yes, Suns do have too many wings here.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #3 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:25 pm

If the Suns stick to smallball they probably don't but with the trade they made I have a feeling they are going more traditional, I hope so anyway...

RocPHX · Post #4 » by **RocPHX** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:30 pm

Most of these other teams with 5 wings, aren't exactly starting quality/key bench player type wings players. All of our wings can be starters or key bench players, and none of them are going to be happy with being a just incase of injury type guy. Because of this, we do have too many wings.

TheMan44 · Post #5 » by **TheMan44** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:55 pm

phungk wrote:Suns actually have 6 wings, Warrick can play SF... but is not considered one right now because we only play his at PF because of our abundance of wings. Any trade that brings an extra big body here, Warrick would be considered a back-up SF/PF. So yes, Suns do have too many wings here.

Warrick is a PF, period. Not once in his career has he played SF. Never in Memphis. Never in Chicago. Never in Milwaukee.

Wings (SG/SF) can traditionally handle the ball somewhat. Warrick is not ball handler. He is a pick and roll guy who finishes inside. Just because he is slender and Gentry once mentioned he can play small forward sometimes does not make him a "wing" SG/SF. That is sheer stupid nonsense.

Suns have 5 wings. They don't need any more. Any less. 5 is perfect.

Did u post the Elton John video b/c you have a crush on him?

LukaMagic · Post #6 » by **LukaMagic** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:57 pm

He also doesn't fit the definition of POWERforward (at least not on defensive end).

Stix · Post #7 » by **Stix** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:04 pm

TheMan44 wrote:
phungk wrote:Suns actually have 6 wings, Warrick can play SF... but is not considered one right now because we only play his at PF because of our abundance of wings. Any trade that brings an extra big body here, Warrick would be considered a back-up SF/PF. So yes, Suns do have too many wings here.

Warrick is a PF, period. Not once in his career has he played SF. Never in Memphis. Never in Chicago. Never in Milwaukee.

Wings (SG/SF) can traditionally handle the ball somewhat. Warrick is not ball handler. He is a pick and roll guy who finishes inside. Just because he is slender and Gentry once mentioned he can play small forward sometimes does not make him a "wing" SG/SF. That is sheer stupid nonsense.

Suns have 5 wings. They don't need any more. Any less. 5 is perfect.

Did u post the Elton John video b/c you have a crush on him?

Actually Warrick did play SF/PF in Memphis. And most of the teams you mentioned with 5 or more wings are scrub players who are only going to play garbage time. Childress deserves better than that.

And I posted the video because you are a TROLL, who should be rooting for the sorry ass Rockets right now and not posting this garbage analysis of our Roster structure.

Fact is, we still need a PF and we have great trade assets in our wing positions to get one.

JMac1 · Post #8 » by **JMac1** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:53 pm

Fellas are right; we have too many GOOD wings. Heck anyone of them could start for us. We need to flip a wing or two for a beast PF or one BEAST wing. Duds, Pete, or Chill are complementary players. VC and Hill are over the Hill. I think we have a solid foundation of role player......We need one star.

Frye
Lopez
Gortat
Duds
Chill
and 2009-10 Goran are my keepers.

Christine-In-AZ · Post #9 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:20 am

Maybe so, but overall too many rotation players.

The game of musical chairs with 10 (actually 9 with Lopez out) has already proven to be a bad recipe for cohesiveness. After the trade, the Suns are at 11.

9 is optimum
10 can work, but it's difficult
11 makes it next to impossible to gel...and dissension from lack of PT is almost assured.

Post #10 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:21 am

Yes, another trade topic, lol.
Oh and you only listed two teams that are actually above .500 in your examples, so what does that say?

thamadkant · Post #11 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:27 am

When Suns fans say "Suns have too many wings"

It means the Suns have too many players that deserves MINUTES on the SG/SF spot... and NOT GETTING enough MINUTES.

Yet the PF SPOT, Warrick is playing too MUCH minutes some games..... when he shouldnt be.

JohnVancouver · Post #12 » by **JohnVancouver** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:57 am

see that everyone else has weighed in with the obvious, that all of the wings we have expect and deserve real minutes and morale will suffer if they don't get them - unavoidable. These guys would not have signed if they thought they were going to be insurance

so I'll just add that we;'ve brought Gani back up, which is one more. We have too many wings