*MERGED* Done Deal. Goodbye Jrich/Hedo/Clark

[sunsfever68]

Our training staff + famed Nash effect will help Carter.


Here's my thought.

Don't trade one of our wings unless we get a great trade.

Carter will be gone next year most likely and then we have 4 wings.

Childress hill dudley and pietrus.


You guys agree?

[realsunsfan]

Tweet from Gentry....

AlvinGentry Alvin Gentry
first contact practice with the new guys. vince did not practice. im very excited about what i saw today. it will take time we are excited

[charley barkles]

So we basically have turned Raja Bell into Vince Carter... Barbosa into Macin Gortat... and EC into Pietrus.

sounds good to me.

[Sun Scorched]

So we basically have turned Raja Bell into Vince Carter... Barbosa into Macin Gortat... and EC into Pietrus.

sounds good to me.

More like:

Bell + Diaw + Barbosa + Clark

into

Carter + Gortat + Dudley + Pietrus + 2011 ORL 1st + Cash

[RaisingArizona]

So we basically have turned Raja Bell into Vince Carter... Barbosa into Macin Gortat... and EC into Pietrus.

sounds good to me.

More like:

Bell + Diaw + Barbosa + Clark

into

Carter + Gortat + Dudley + Pietrus + 2011 ORL 1st + Cash

Which is good. I'm liking our FO decision lately. The Hedo thing was a mistake but at least they manned up to it and fixed it ASAP.

[JohnVancouver]

So we basically have turned Raja Bell into Vince Carter... Barbosa into Macin Gortat... and EC into Pietrus.

sounds good to me.

More like:

Bell + Diaw + Barbosa + Clark

into

Carter + Gortat + Dudley + Pietrus + 2011 ORL 1st + Cash

yes, and the first three, though they were dear to our hearts, were not at their peak by any stretch

[Kerrsed]

Saw this on another board, made me laugh.

lol, I made that!

[JMac1]

^ We weren't going to be keeping JRich anyway, so it's a moot point basically

Carter's a better ball handler and is more clutch. I liked JRich here, but reality is Carter's a guy you can give the ball at the end of a game and he'll create his own shot, JRich wasn't that guy (apart from that one in OKL last yr)

I think Gortat's clearly starter material once he gets a chance, and Pietrus for all of his shortcomings could start on a dozen teams because of his shooting/athleticism/defensive abilities

[JMac1]

Saw this on another board, made me laugh.

lol, I made that!

Of course you did!

I hope you get paid for that stuff. Make some online sig/avatar/ facebook/ animator/ creator/ something!!

I wish I had that Jim Carrey for some of my responses to the guys on the EC55 is ballin thread!! I would wear that out Actually. Can you make a sig with my Jchil and that

[Cutter]

Carter's a better ball handler and is more clutch. I liked JRich here, but reality is Carter's a guy you can give the ball at the end of a game and he'll create his own shot, JRich wasn't that guy (apart from that one in OKL last yr)

No, the reason ORL traded Carter is because he WASN'T that guy.

Anymore that is. I am sure he was that guy a few years ago.

He's not that guy in the Orlando system, in the Phoenix system we hope it is a different story. I watchd the game last night ORL against the MAVs. Everyone on the Magic just stand around and watch Nelson feed Howard the ball down low. There are 13 players on the Magic and Howard had like 20% of field goal attempts. Way to much offense ran through Howard.

In Phoenix we will have several plays just for VC. We will expect him to take a lot of shots and if he doesn't Gentry has a size 13 foot to stick somewhere!

[lilfishi22]

As I mentioned before in another post, the expectation and the role will be different for VC coming into Phoenix. Orlando expected some sort of Kobe-esque shot creator and clutch guy in VC because they were so desperate for one. IMO Orlando had unrealistic expectations of VC because he was meant to replace Hedo who had brought them so much success in the last few seasons he was there. In Phoenix, we already have one of the best shot creators and clutch guys in Nash so coming in VC will not have to be *that guy.* All he has to do is fit with Nash and the team and that's something I'm not too worried about because he fit in fine with Orlando and was OK with taking on a smaller role.

But Tastic is also right. Carter is a significant upgrade over JRich in the ball-handling and shot creator department. Where VC outshines JRich is in the shot creating, especially when the play breaks down and Nash doesn't have the ball. He's comfortable (as am I with him) creating his own shot when we need him to (ie in the clutch). I rarely liked seeing the ball in JRich's hands longer than it took for him to take the shot because of his iffy ball-handling and ability to create on his own. The thing I like about VC over Hedo is that his game isn't predicated on him creating a his own shot to be productive. VC has a solid off-the-ball game and his shot creating skills just compliments it. His off-the-ball game isn't as good as JRich's but it's still quite good and it'll get better once he develops that chemistry with Nash and the system.

[JMac1]

As I mentioned before in another post, the expectation and the role will be different for VC coming into Phoenix. Orlando expected some sort of Kobe-esque shot creator and clutch guy in VC because they were so desperate for one. IMO Orlando had unrealistic expectations of VC because he was meant to replace Hedo who had brought them so much success in the last few seasons he was there. In Phoenix, we already have one of the best shot creators and clutch guys in Nash so coming in VC will not have to be *that guy.* All he has to do is fit with Nash and the team and that's something I'm not too worried about because he fit in fine with Orlando and was OK with taking on a smaller role.

But Tastic is also right. Carter is a significant upgrade over JRich in the ball-handling and shot creator department. Where VC outshines JRich is in the shot creating, especially when the play breaks down and Nash doesn't have the ball. He's comfortable (as am I with him) creating his own shot when we need him to (ie in the clutch). I rarely liked seeing the ball in JRich's hands longer than it took for him to take the shot because of his iffy ball-handling and ability to create on his own. The thing I like about VC over Hedo is that his game isn't predicated on him creating a his own shot to be productive. VC has a solid off-the-ball game and his shot creating skills just compliments it. His off-the-ball game isn't as good as JRich's but it's still quite good and it'll get better once he develops that chemistry with Nash and the system.

Good Analysis...The more I read you guys' support of VC the more I believe in VC...I hope I don't get too jacked. The higher the Jack the longer the fall. But I don't see JRich as a huge loss.

Nash
VC (Can create a shot and play D if motivated??)
Pietrus (Dudley's not athletic enough; Hill and Chill don't stretch the floor)
Frye
Gortat

to close the game out..no? 1-2 PnR Space Frye and Pietrus; and Gortat follow misses

[Reverse_Angle]

As I mentioned before in another post, the expectation and the role will be different for VC coming into Phoenix. Orlando expected some sort of Kobe-esque shot creator and clutch guy in VC because they were so desperate for one. IMO Orlando had unrealistic expectations of VC because he was meant to replace Hedo who had brought them so much success in the last few seasons he was there. In Phoenix, we already have one of the best shot creators and clutch guys in Nash so coming in VC will not have to be *that guy.* All he has to do is fit with Nash and the team and that's something I'm not too worried about because he fit in fine with Orlando and was OK with taking on a smaller role.

But Tastic is also right. Carter is a significant upgrade over JRich in the ball-handling and shot creator department. Where VC outshines JRich is in the shot creating, especially when the play breaks down and Nash doesn't have the ball. He's comfortable (as am I with him) creating his own shot when we need him to (ie in the clutch). I rarely liked seeing the ball in JRich's hands longer than it took for him to take the shot because of his iffy ball-handling and ability to create on his own. The thing I like about VC over Hedo is that his game isn't predicated on him creating a his own shot to be productive. VC has a solid off-the-ball game and his shot creating skills just compliments it. His off-the-ball game isn't as good as JRich's but it's still quite good and it'll get better once he develops that chemistry with Nash and the system.

Only thing you didn't include in there is the percentages and shot selection. JRich has the obvious edge on both accounts. I am all for what VC may bring, but he gotta be more efficient on the offense than he was in Orlando.

[Mr. Sun]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldu2NK04c4[/youtube]

[JMac1]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldu2NK04c4[/youtube]

Great stuff. Did you hear him at the 5:50 mark. "Today I played at the four, why not play with Robin? I can play the 4 and he can play the 5." "Having to 7 foot guys in their would be tremendous."



Figure it out gentry, we need paint presence.

[lilfishi22]

As I mentioned before in another post, the expectation and the role will be different for VC coming into Phoenix. Orlando expected some sort of Kobe-esque shot creator and clutch guy in VC because they were so desperate for one. IMO Orlando had unrealistic expectations of VC because he was meant to replace Hedo who had brought them so much success in the last few seasons he was there. In Phoenix, we already have one of the best shot creators and clutch guys in Nash so coming in VC will not have to be *that guy.* All he has to do is fit with Nash and the team and that's something I'm not too worried about because he fit in fine with Orlando and was OK with taking on a smaller role.

But Tastic is also right. Carter is a significant upgrade over JRich in the ball-handling and shot creator department. Where VC outshines JRich is in the shot creating, especially when the play breaks down and Nash doesn't have the ball. He's comfortable (as am I with him) creating his own shot when we need him to (ie in the clutch). I rarely liked seeing the ball in JRich's hands longer than it took for him to take the shot because of his iffy ball-handling and ability to create on his own. The thing I like about VC over Hedo is that his game isn't predicated on him creating a his own shot to be productive. VC has a solid off-the-ball game and his shot creating skills just compliments it. His off-the-ball game isn't as good as JRich's but it's still quite good and it'll get better once he develops that chemistry with Nash and the system.

Only thing you didn't include in there is the percentages and shot selection. JRich has the obvious edge on both accounts. I am all for what VC may bring, but he gotta be more efficient on the offense than he was in Orlando.

Well I did say JRich was a better off-ball player (ie scorer) than VC and no one would argue that. All I'm saying is that VC should fit in well with his solid off-ball game and his shot creating will be a good asset when we need it. Also VC was the most efficient he's been in his career this season with the Magic and we could see his efficiency go up in our system with Nash. I think you are expecting of VC to replace JRich when that is not the case. He won't be as efficient as JRich because JRich was pretty much as perfect a SG for the system as there are but VC will be satisfactorily efficient imo.

[Mr. Sun]

To explain why Phoenix could be the best of all havens for Vince Carter, and why his arrival may yet turn into a gain for the Suns, understand first of all that coach Alvin Gentry wasn't exaggerating last month when he made the following case to me.

"Our most fit players are the two oldest guys on the team," Gentry said of 38-year-old Grant Hill and Steve Nash, 36. "I always tell the young guys that I never talk about their age, because Steve and Grant are in the best shape of anybody on our team and that's what I look at."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... z18tn4BQms

[DRK]

I love the fact that we got Orlando's 1st in this trade as well.

Can't wait until the draft ners, there will lots of entertaining, interesting discussion about who we should draft with our two first round picks. Certainly be much more fun than last year's draft. No one cares about second round picks.

[lilfishi22]

I don't see us hanging onto the pick. There's a chance we might sell but I think the most likely scenario is we package it with a player for a PF. Talent-wise, a late first rounder is basically the same as an early 2nd rounder, without the guaranteed deal.

[Mr. Sun]

Bet the FO is trying to use use the pick to unload Warrick.