EC55 Ballin for the Magic!!

[JMac1]

magic board seems to be loving the guy, as its already been said, he just might become thier dudley, a throw in that turns out to be a steal, regardless a bigger sample size is needed before any final judgement

Definitely, but it would have been nice watching that sample size grown with the Suns instead of the Magic. But hey, maybe Steve will help us get the 8th seed...........incredible

The more I think about this Nash is untoucable the more I get upset. If we are riding out Nash, we should of rode Amare's knee to the ground and the last 2 yrs, if he was broke, we'd get 2 top 5 picks...Now we have to watch Dallas with Dirk,Terry, and Kidd (microfacture); and the Spurs with Duncan, Manu, and Parker; and the Lakers with Kobe, Gasol, and Odom; and the Celtics with KG, Allen and Pierce all ball.

You don't keep Pierce by himself, or Dirk, or Kobe, or Tim it is just dumb!!! Fk;ng dumb!!

BTW, who is our top young talent If an old cat is obstructing the young cat's ability to grow, bye, bye old cat.....unless you are the Suns. Thank god for my Bucs, if our coach wasn't such a puzzzie we'd be 10-4; sitting on 3 pt leads at home against Det and Atl????

Can I get a Homer Simpson duh in here Kerrsed?

[Frank Lee]

Sometime you got to let players go (Clark) and move on!!

There... fixed that for you.

Why is it so hard to realize that you have to give up some talent to receive some talent ? Clark has potential and may pan out to be a contributing player. But he is not a 6'11" center. Nor is he a true PF... he is a SF and for the next couple of yrs we are set at that position. He is not at Dudley's or Childress' level, let alone GHill's and even Peitrus.

He was included in a deal that added rebounding, defense, salary flexibility, and a draft pick. We are a better team now for it..... but I suppose that does not matter since you lost your favorite prospect while providing a continuance for your anti-front office diatribe. I think the over all opinion of this trade was very favorable for Phnx. If losing Clark is the worst thing, then we didnt do too bad.

I am still laughing at your strawgrasping 'Gortat may be like Barron' comment. Lets wait for the Polish Machine to play 12 minutes to give him a fair 'thumbs up/down' comparison.

[JMac1]

Sometime you got to let players go (Clark) and move on!!

There... fixed that for you.

Why is it so hard to realize that you have to give up some talent to receive some talent ? Clark has potential and may pan out to be a contributing player. But he is not a 6'11" center. Nor is he a true PF... he is a SF and for the next couple of yrs we are set at that position. He is not at Dudley's or Childress' level, let alone GHill's and even Peitrus.

He was included in a deal that added rebounding, defense, salary flexibility, and a draft pick. We are a better team now for it..... but I suppose that does not matter since you lost your favorite prospect while providing a continuance for your anti-front office diatribe. I think the over all opinion of this trade was very favorable for Phnx. If losing Clark is the worst thing, then we didnt do too bad.

I am still laughing at your strawgrasping 'Gortat may be like Barron' comment. Lets wait for the Polish Machine to play 12 minutes to give him a fair 'thumbs up/down' comparison.

Why is it so hard to realize that you have to give up some talent to receive some talent ? Clark has potential and may pan out to be a contributing player. But he is not a 6'11" center. Nor is he a true PF... he is a SF and for the next couple of yrs we are set at that position. He is not at Dudley's or Childress' level, let alone GHill's and even Peitrus.

Agreed, I just wished we could have kept him. I am thinking about his ability to defend a LBJ post up better than Chill, but because I love Chill so much I am okay with the overall trade

your anti-front office diatribe.

I am not anti-front office. Disagreeing with the gov't doesn't mean you are anti-gov't....what is this Fox?! We made bad mistakes, but I definitely don't think they were malicious.....

I am still laughing at your strawgrasping 'Gortat may be like Barron' comment.

ARE EFFING CRAZY????????? I have never said anything like that. I am totally excited to see what this guy brings. He is the whole reason why this deal is palatable for me.


I am cool with Vince (We have many capable wing players we aren't relying on him)...MP (see Vince)....and MG Hammer (Give me some Rodman)

Clark is gone, such is life. I will get upset if he is balling it up and be very thankful if I am wrong, but so far it doesn't appear that way.

[Sun Scorched]

Clark got playing time because they needed someone other than 6'2" Brandon Bass. Relax.

IF, and that's a big IF, Clark gets PT and performs... then great for him. Seriously. It just wasn't going to happen here. That simple.

Gentry's fault? Ha!

Why is it that for lack of other options to get devisive about, you guys choose Earl fricken Clark?

[Sundamental]

E. Clark - final stats:
Rebounds = 0
Assists = 1
Points = 6
Blocks = 0
Steals = 0
Turnovers = 1

He is who we thought he was and (I'm glad) we let him off the hook!

Watch the Fk;ng game got damn moron!!!!!!!!! Geez, you can't look at a stat line and tell how a player played?? What are you 8 yrs old?

How bout this Dirk 17 pts 5 rebs...I wonder why? Oh, that's right he was deferring because of Clark's defense, so they tried to get switches to free Dirk up because his ISO didn't work against Clark.



How dumb is our fan base

Clark didn't guard Dirk during his second stint. Only the first.

[hunterxaz]

he got minutes cuz the magic have 8 players lol.

[JMac1]

Kurt Warner stop bagging groceries and got to play only because Trent Green got hurt,

Too easy..................

[JohnVancouver]

To be clear - yeah, you got to give to get, and dealing EC was a good move given what we got back. When I say disappointed we lost him, it's more that I really wanted to see what he could do with some minutes. Now I can see that in ORL - everybody wins.

[JMac1]

To be clear - yeah, you got to give to get, and dealing EC was a good move given what we got back. When I say disappointed we lost him, it's more that I really wanted to see what he could do with some minutes. Now I can see that in ORL - everybody wins.

I'll second that!

[Frank Lee]

I am still laughing at your strawgrasping 'Gortat may be like Barron' comment.

ARE EFFING CRAZY????????? I have never said anything like that. I am totally excited to see what this guy brings. He is the whole reason why this deal is palatable for me.

Postby JMac1 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:05 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Heres a Denver Twist

Has to be done after 2 months, to package someone with VC, but the #s work



New Jersey gets Melo

Denver gets VC, Favors and Lopez

Phnx gets Nene and Murphy.

So we give up Lopez and VC expiring for Murphy and Nene, wtf????? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Hell to the no! Murphy and Nene are too old. If we can get those guys for a wing and a pick to run with Steve cool, but not at the expense of giving up Lopez. Gortat hasn't even played yet, dude could look like Barron on O!!

Too many pots on the stove may be ????

[Dr Manute]

E. Clark - final stats:
Rebounds = 0
Assists = 1
Points = 6
Blocks = 0
Steals = 0
Turnovers = 1

He is who we thought he was and (I'm glad) we let him off the hook!

Watch the Fk;ng game got damn moron!!!!!!!!! Geez, you can't look at a stat line and tell how a player played?? What are you 8 yrs old?

How bout this Dirk 17 pts 5 rebs...I wonder why? Oh, that's right he was deferring because of Clark's defense, so they tried to get switches to free Dirk up because his ISO didn't work against Clark.



How dumb is our fan base

JMac1 sounds like your upset. Maybe you need to take some deep breaths before you post – allow more oxygen to your brain.

So, I assume what happened is you were watching the game and saw that EC was doing a good job covering Dirk on a couple plays. You got all excited and prematurely shot-off this post. Unfortunately, it was early in the game and EC stops guarding Dirk, doesn’t grab any rebounds, plays a total of 12 minutes, and the Magic lose. You feel embarrassed about your performance so you respond to my post the way you did. It’s ok. I forgive you.

I posted what I did because your title “EC55 Ballin for the Magic” gave me the impression that EC had over twenty points at least 10 rebounds, some blocks and played a lot of minutes and had great defense. You can imagine my surprise when I looked at the box score and saw what I did. I was posting to try and correct any further deceptions that might be caused by your title.

Maybe your definition of Ballin is different than mine. Now that the game is over, if you still feel that EC55 was Ballin then we can agree to disagree on the definition of Ballin. If you can not then my above assumption is probably correct.

Also, its flawed logic to say that having 6 points in 12 minutes is the same as 18 points in 36 minutes. There is a reason he only played 12 minutes and not 36. The guy is a tease. With a 36 year old Nash and 38 year old Hill, the Suns don’t have time for a tease. Good Luck to EC I hope he reaches his potential, but personally I'm glade we traded this guy.

As for your last statement:

How dumb is our fan base

. The answer is dependant on if you are an EC fan or a Suns fan.

[JMac1]

I am still laughing at your strawgrasping 'Gortat may be like Barron' comment.

ARE EFFING CRAZY????????? I have never said anything like that. I am totally excited to see what this guy brings. He is the whole reason why this deal is palatable for me.

Postby JMac1 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:05 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Heres a Denver Twist

Has to be done after 2 months, to package someone with VC, but the #s work



New Jersey gets Melo

Denver gets VC, Favors and Lopez

Phnx gets Nene and Murphy.

So we give up Lopez and VC expiring for Murphy and Nene, wtf????? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Hell to the no! Murphy and Nene are too old. If we can get those guys for a wing and a pick to run with Steve cool, but not at the expense of giving up Lopez. Gortat hasn't even played yet, dude could look like Barron on O!!

Too many pots on the stove may be ????

Lets compare the two:

What I said: dude could look like Barron on O
What you said I said: 'Gortat may be like Barron'

Lets examine:

"He could look like Earl Barron on OFFENSE".....I would post his offense of stats, but no need. Fact is he (Gortat) is limited offensively, as of now. To look like means to resemble.

"Gortat may be like Barron"....WOW totally different!!!! That means be Earl Barron, all around.

I distingushed Gortat from Barron by stating offense only, but you ignored that fact and tried to infer total Barron to prove your point.


Dude you must work for Fox News...Nice try

[JMac1]

E. Clark - final stats:
Rebounds = 0
Assists = 1
Points = 6
Blocks = 0
Steals = 0
Turnovers = 1

He is who we thought he was and (I'm glad) we let him off the hook!

Watch the Fk;ng game got damn moron!!!!!!!!! Geez, you can't look at a stat line and tell how a player played?? What are you 8 yrs old?

How bout this Dirk 17 pts 5 rebs...I wonder why? Oh, that's right he was deferring because of Clark's defense, so they tried to get switches to free Dirk up because his ISO didn't work against Clark.



How dumb is our fan base

JMac1 sounds like your upset. Maybe you need to take some deep breaths before you post – allow more oxygen to your brain.

So, I assume what happened is you were watching the game and saw that EC was doing a good job covering Dirk on a couple plays. You got all excited and prematurely shot-off this post. Unfortunately, it was early in the game and EC stops guarding Dirk, doesn’t grab any rebounds, plays a total of 12 minutes, and the Magic lose. You feel embarrassed about your performance so you respond to my post the way you did. It’s ok. I forgive you.

I posted what I did because your title “EC55 Ballin for the Magic” gave me the impression that EC had over twenty points at least 10 rebounds, some blocks and played a lot of minutes and had great defense. You can imagine my surprise when I looked at the box score and saw what I did. I was posting to try and correct any further deceptions that might be caused by your title.

Maybe your definition of Ballin is different than mine. Now that the game is over, if you still feel that EC55 was Ballin then we can agree to disagree on the definition of Ballin. If you can not then my above assumption is probably correct.

Also, its flawed logic to say that having 6 points in 12 minutes is the same as 18 points in 36 minutes. There is a reason he only played 12 minutes and not 36. The guy is a tease. With a 36 year old Nash and 38 year old Hill, the Suns don’t have time for a tease. Good Luck to EC I hope he reaches his potential, but personally I'm glade we traded this guy.

As for your last statement:

How dumb is our fan base

. The answer is dependant on if you are an EC fan or a Suns fan.

Me and everyone else who has non discrminatory eyes


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People hate on Clark soooooo bad all they can do is nick pick at MINOR things that will get better with growth and they just ignore the MAJOR positives that makes the Orlando fans calmour over him


Yeah, maybe if we keep saying it, maybe if we keep believing it; anything Clark does well isn't actually good

I posted what I did because your title “EC55 Ballin for the Magic” gave me the impression that EC had over twenty points at least 10 rebounds, some blocks and played a lot of minutes and had great defense. You can imagine my surprise when I looked at the box score and saw what I did. I was posting to try and correct any further deceptions that might be caused by your title.

That says it all about you Incredible!!! ha ha ha!!! He didn't have a great stat line which means he wasn't balling.

So when we evalute players. Don't look at the game, look at the stat line. Guy goes 20 of 20 from the field means he can shoot huh??? What if they were all dunks or layups by cherry picking...Do they have a stat line for that, again


Too Easy

[JMac1]

"Get rid of this game film you fool... I want to see the stats!!!!"

BTW; when professional teams ask to see footage of your play, they ask for WHOLE game films, no stats and highlight tapes.

[Dr Manute]

That says it all about you Incredible!!! ha ha ha!!! He didn't have a great stat line which means he wasn't balling.

So when we evalute players. Don't look at the game, look at the stat line. Guy goes 20 of 20 from the field means he can shoot huh??? What if they were all dunks or layups by cherry picking...Do they have a stat line for that, again


Too Easy

I agree that the stat line is not the definitive tool to evaluate a player. But, you must admit that it is a useful tool or people wouldn't bother keeping track of these things. They would just have libraries of film. For those of us who were unable to watch the game. The stats come in handy to get an idea of how well the player contributed. By not having a great stat line, it doesn't mean he wasn't ballin, but it is a very good indication that he was not. If I started a thread saying a player is Ballin, I would expect that player to record more of a measurable contribution to his team, then EC's stellar: 12 Minutes of Play on a Losing Team, Rebounds = 0, Assists = 1, Points = 6, Blocks = 0, Steals = 0, Turnovers = 1. This is what we are so used to seeing from EC. Flashes of brilliance - but only flashes. I'm sorry my friend but you jumped the gun and pulled the fire alarm on a flash. Maybe someday EC will Light-it-up, but as of now a few good defensive plays on Dirk does not change my opinion of this trade.

[Dr Manute]

Wow, I read some of the Magic Fans posts on the link you had attached:

viewtopic.php?t=1077762

Sounds like maybe EC did have a great game - even with weak stats. Well its unfortunate that he didn't fit-in with us. We needed to trade him because he is a free agent next year, and he would never reach his potential at the end of our bench. I hope he does well for the Magic.

Sorry, JMac1 - good post.

[eastsidecrossover]

I feel the suns hand a great opportunity to solidify a future long and athletic starting SF. But we efffed up and panic when our best player walked. We signed avg players that were a poor move by our FO and coach. To me, it is kind of feeling like when MD was coach and GM and screwed us in the draft year after year, and sarver sold picks. I think if Kerr stayed, he would not have made that move to include Clark, or to sign and add more wing players. I think Turk would have happened, but not J-chill.

Grant it, he has work to do to improve his game. He never got a shot due to the money they gave the other players. Again, the potential is there and he never got a shot. His game in college took some time to develop, and I think that is what is going to happen here, but he has to step up, man up and bring his game. Stop being so timed.

I wish the suns would face reality and start developing their young talent outside of Dragic and Lopez and realize that this team is not going anywhere and start the rebuilding process.

[JMac1]

I feel the suns hand a great opportunity to solidify a future long and athletic starting SF. But we efffed up and panic when our best player walked. We signed avg players that were a poor move by our FO and coach. To me, it is kind of feeling like when MD was coach and GM and screwed us in the draft year after year, and sarver sold picks. I think if Kerr stayed, he would not have made that move to include Clark, or to sign and add more wing players. I think Turk would have happened, but not J-chill.

Grant it, he has work to do to improve his game. He never got a shot due to the money they gave the other players. Again, the potential is there and he never got a shot. His game in college took some time to develop, and I think that is what is going to happen here, but he has to step up, man up and bring his game. Stop being so timed.

I wish the suns would face reality and start developing their young talent outside of Dragic and Lopez and realize that this team is not going anywhere and start the rebuilding process.

As sista's say in da hood....Hello! That means: true dat; that's right; right on; word up or word; I can dig it; straight; fo real doh; i'm wit dat etc etc etc.....oh yea and...ya know!

[JMac1]

Wow, I read some of the Magic Fans posts on the link you had attached:

viewtopic.php?t=1077762

Sounds like maybe EC did have a great game - even with weak stats. Well its unfortunate that he didn't fit-in with us. We needed to trade him because he is a free agent next year, and he would never reach his potential at the end of our bench. I hope he does well for the Magic.

Sorry, JMac1 - good post.

That's understandable, because at that time he wasn't worth extending on his rookie contract, so I guess we would have been in a Utah situation with Wes Matthews, I never thought about that..... So if we played him and he looked good we might have gotten in a bidding war....

[Reverse_Angle]

Maybe he works better in Orlando and might never work with the Suns? I think that is a big possibility you guys shouldn't ignore.

He was here for a long time, he had been given enough chances. Praising a guy solely based on untapped potential brings out the question when he was going to reach that potential. I say it was never gonna happen here and I will be happy if he can do that in Orlando. You should, too.

I saw the game and he seems to be the 8th man off the bench for the magic, unless they trade for a big. BTW it was Hedo who guarded Dirk for the longest stretch, not EC. EC had great positioning throughout his minutes and got himself open a lot. He also took one of his "I am gonna frikken pull my hair" type of jump shots, but he did make it. So all was fine.