Anyone dislike trade?

[Sundamental]

So it seems there's almost unanimous agreement that the Orlando trade was a good, hell, a great thing. I don't see it that way and am wondering if I'm the only one. I think it takes the Suns clearly in a direction away from the high paced, three point focused and highly efficient basketball that has been their trademark during the Nash years. There's more to my objection than that but I'll leave it at that for now. Is there anyone else out there that thinks the trade was bad. If so, step up and let us know why.

[lilfishi22]

I like the trade and I don't see how it takes away from our uptempo and efficient game. I see this move as being similar to the SSOL-esque Gentry led system from when Gentry first took over, turning into the tougher, more defensive minded but still highly efficient Gentry led system from last season. This season thus far as been like the D'Antoni led SSOL team at it's worst. Very uptempo offense coupled with terrible defense and rebounding.

With the trade, we get back much if not all of what went out. We got back 3 guys who can play the uptempo game but still bring a defensive presence, with Carter being the exception on the defensive end. Carter could be a solid glue guy (like JJ) who does a bit of everything offensively like finishing on alleyoops, handle the ball a bit, post up, create his own shot and spot up shoot. Pietrus brings his great defense, athleticism and his 3PT shooting. Gortat will bring a much needed PnR presence while rebounding and defending the paint. All 3 guys can run and all 3 guys fill a need, if anything I think we've gained more than we've lost.

[Wannabe MEP]

I think it takes the Suns clearly in a direction away from the high paced, three point focused and highly efficient basketball that has been their trademark during the Nash years.

I disagree completely with that analysis of the trade, although I agree with the emphasis on SSOL. I've been saying all along that Hedo and JRich were expendable.

Carter and Pietrus were hardly players I had in mind, but they, like Turk, are used to a similar system. Orlando plays a similar four-out, three-point shooting simple offense, but they don't run like the Suns. Unlike Hedo, Carter and Pietrus seem more like players that are going to be able to run. We'll see.

We desperately needed Gortat.

[MaryvalesFinest]

Not sure how that can be possible

-Turkoglu just didn't fit this team

-J-Rich wasn't going to be back next year

-Clark wasn't going to be back next year because his option wasn't picked up

The Suns got a first round pick which they can use...hopefully. A young center with alot of potential, another solid defensive player and a future HOF who will replace J-Rich production and sell jerseys and tickets this season. Seems like a good trade...

[lilfishi22]

Also, I thought we could've done better trade-wise with JRich but dumping Hedo with JRich was about as good as it gets. Knowing our owner-influenced FO, we definitely could've done much worse. I mean, trade FOR Hedo worse.

[carey]

A young center with alot of potential, another solid defensive player and a future HOF who will replace J-Rich production and sell jerseys and tickets this season. Seems like a good trade...

It's crazy that we have 3 future hall of famers on this team if you really think Vince will make it. These guys together in their prime would have been something. We wouldn't have been talking about vying for that 8th seed, that's for sure.

-C.

[Wannabe MEP]

With the trade, we get back much if not all of what went out. We got back 3 guys who can play the uptempo game but still bring a defensive presence, with Carter being the exception on the defensive end.

Carter might actually be a very, very good defender. It's hard to measure defense, but a study from a couple years ago that included five years of stats gave Carter excellent defensive adj. +/- ratings. He was the third best 2-guard defensively in the NBA, behind only Ginobili and Iguodala (right ahead of Raja Bell, actually).

Interestingly, his Net Defensive Rating for the past two years is also phenomenal, the best on the Orlando Magic, a great defensive team. However, that probably has a lot to do with the fact that his backup, JJ Redick, is a horrible defender.

It is very possible that Carter is incredibly underrated.

[lilfishi22]

I don't know much about Carter's defensive game since he's not really known for that so I just assumed he's average at best on that end.

I certainly hope he is just underrated.

[Wannabe MEP]

So...Carter has the #2 Net Defensive Rating in the NBA this year. (minimum 432.50 minutes)

But Redick helped with that one: Redick is last in the NBA. (Turk and Stat are top 15 )

[Sundamental]

I knew I would be lonely in this thread but I didn't think I'd be alone. Oh well, pretty much everyone was lovin the Barron move at first as well. Come on, there's gotta be one brave soul.

[lilfishi22]

Why are you looking so hard for someone who dislikes the trade? Why can't this trade actually be good? I've stated all the reasons why I think this is a good trade and how the new players will help and add to the team.

[Sundamental]

Why are you looking so hard for someone who dislikes the trade? Why can't this trade actually be good? I've stated all the reasons why I think this is a good trade and how the new players will help and add to the team.

So two posts asking if anyone dislikes this trade is trying hard but people proposing hundreds and hundreds of ridiculous trades is OK? Why is it that the vast majority were joyfully wailing on Turkoglu and that was OK but now I make a couple posts questioning the wisdom of this trade but thats wrong? I simple think this trade was bad, real bad. Probably took a team that was capable of making a real nice run like last year and turned them into an also ran. And you know what, the problem wasn't the team. It was Gentry. He failed to make this team gel, not the players. And so the problem remains.

[Kerrsed]

Why are you looking so hard for someone who dislikes the trade? Why can't this trade actually be good? I've stated all the reasons why I think this is a good trade and how the new players will help and add to the team.

So two posts asking if anyone dislikes this trade is trying hard but people proposing hundreds and hundreds of ridiculous trades is OK? Why is it that the vast majority were joyfully wailing on Turkoglu and that was OK but now I make a couple posts questioning the wisdom of this trade but thats wrong? I simple think this trade was bad, real bad. Probably took a team that was capable of making a real nice run like last year and turned them into an also ran. And you know what, the problem wasn't the team. It was Gentry. He failed to make this team gel, not the players. And so the problem remains.

Its not just your 2 posts on the subject, but the fact that you created an entire thread about it instead of just posting it in the many many threads that are talking about the trade. The best thing you could have done was post your feelings in the large "*MERGED* Done Deal. Goodbye Jrich/Hedo/Clark" thread that is sticky'd at the top.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1076657&start=720#p26117279

[Sundamental]

Wow, a whole entire thread. Is the internet running out of space? Come on, get real.

[lilfishi22]

Why are you looking so hard for someone who dislikes the trade? Why can't this trade actually be good? I've stated all the reasons why I think this is a good trade and how the new players will help and add to the team.

So two posts asking if anyone dislikes this trade is trying hard but people proposing hundreds and hundreds of ridiculous trades is OK? Why is it that the vast majority were joyfully wailing on Turkoglu and that was OK but now I make a couple posts questioning the wisdom of this trade but thats wrong? I simple think this trade was bad, real bad. Probably took a team that was capable of making a real nice run like last year and turned them into an also ran. And you know what, the problem wasn't the team. It was Gentry. He failed to make this team gel, not the players. And so the problem remains.

The fact that you are asking people to "step up" and admit they don't like the trade is trying pretty hard. If it was a bad trade there's no reason why anyone would hold back their opinion on it. There were some posters who felt iffy about the trade, I did too, when it was first made but they didn't hold back their opinion.

This team wasn't going anywhere quick. Last season there were flashes of a team that could make a real serious run in beginning of the season and went through a sour patch during the middle of the season. We had to guys last season and it was just a matter of finding the right rotations but we just had an awfully unbalanced bunch of guys this season. There was no way, if we stood pat, would we be anymore than 1st round fodder if we even made playoffs. Also, while Gentry did make some coaching mistakes, a lot of it had to do with being forced to play players because they were part of the team. We just had too many players in the same position, and all deserved playing time and he had to give it to them. There just wasn't enough playing time on the court them all to develop that offensive chemistry.

Also while the wing position probably didn't improve overall, we sure got a lot of financial flexibility and definitely got better defensively while still having the ability to shoot the 3 ball. We got a guy up front who can rebound on both ends of the court and is a decent PnR guy. What is there not to like about this trade? I'd like you to expand on it.

[WTFsunsFTW]

We traded our high scoring leaping long range shooting guard for a slightly older future HOF high scoring leaping long range shot creating passing shooting guard

We traded our redundant out of position toxic contract SF/PF for a defensive giant GREAT contract PF/C

We get the opportunity to redo our 2009 1st round draft pick and keep our current year pick

We found $3 million on the ground.

Is your glass really half empty here?


Edit: Mickael Pietrus...

[DBrimstone]

Wow, a whole entire thread. Is the internet running out of space? Come on, get real.

cut the arrogant crap and maybe people might listen to you

[Sundamental]

Wow, a whole entire thread. Is the internet running out of space? Come on, get real.

cut the arrogant crap and maybe people might listen to you

I'm sorry but I didn't intend it to be arrogant. I was merely saying his point was hardly worthy. After all, you must admit there are a lot of other threads that are pretty worthless. I intended for this thread to be a counterpoint view to the prevailing thought. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I wanted it to be isolated from the other threads, not be lost in all the pollyannaish sentiment.

[DRK]

Dont mind him. He's just mad that Hedo got shipped out.

[lilfishi22]

I'm still waiting to see why you think the trade was bad, real bad.