BD for Augustin, Carrol & Diop

[PerkinsFor3]

Adrian Wojnarowski reported late Wednesday that Bobcats owner Michael Jordan is considering a trade sending D.J. Augustin, Matt Carroll, and DeSagana Diop to the Clippers for Baron Davis.
Yee-haw. This is an all-around win for owners of both Davis and Augustin if this is to go down. Augustin theoretically will be able to hold off Eric Bledsoe for starter's minutes and gets a bunch of new, motivated toys to play with, and Davis gets a shot to resurrect his career once again. In related news, the Bobcats may bring on Charles Oakley as an assistant coach, and along with Paul Silas, ensure that they would never lose in a fight.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... rdan122310

Thoughts? I think BD is our best chance to win right now. Him playing improved our team a lot, and DJ is / will not be the answer. However, we move a huge contract for a few smaller, easier to move ones.

[Kyle]

Baron has been playing better, but has he been playing up to his contract? I don't think so. So I would make this trade since we have been begging to get rid of him since day 1.

[Recently]

Hmmmm diop and carrol's contracts run the same length as barons, but we would save about 4 mil. Augustin's rookie deal runs out after next year, but it might be worth a look.

Couple of advantages, would be that EJ would get more ball handling duties again (both good and bad i guess), and Augustin, unlike baron is a solid 3 point shooter (can't believe he's shooting UNDER 20% 3pt fg% yet still chucks them up). The disadvantage is neither is gonna be as good a playmaker/passer as baron.

Not sure how i feel about this really. Kinda lukewarm on the idea, maybe slightly in favor of it, just because getting young talent to build a core around would be preferable at this point imo.

[BoomFizzle]

Hmmn, Im not really a fan of the trade from the perspective of being a Baron and Clipper fan.

I guess Clipper wise you get a good shooting, high assist/turnover PG in Augistin. That really the only positive though. Carrol and Diop are pretty much useless and their contracts run the length of Baron's. Also Augistin is undersized which doesn't help Gordon who is also undersized. Really I don't see the point, unless you think Augistin is great, in which you will have to resign him for more money anyway.

As a Baron fan I guess its alright in the sense that Baron is friends with S-Jax and Silas. He returns to where his career started and theoretically they have a better shot at making the playoffs this year. Then you look at Charlotte being a slow paced teams lacking the athleticism the Clipps have and I just don't see how he would make them any better.

He did play pretty awful against Houston so this may just be a knee jerk reaction to that.

[RiversideClips]

We need to get younger and faster! I think we need to pull the trigger on anything 1/2 decent that includes BDiddy. I have grown tired of ALL of Davis's excuses and in 2 years he will not be a vital member of the Clips, go get something for him now.
Unfortunately, by getting rid of Davis Kaman is the next to go. would the 76er's give us IGGY for Kaman straight up?

[jflipclip]

I'm having a hard time seeing what Augustin, Carrol, and Diop can contribute to the team.

... but I guess the opportunity to ship out Baron outweighs that factor.

[mj_shoefanatic]

Awful trade.

[RiversideClips]

move BDiddy 1st, then we can evaluate.
We can also trade smaller pieces or pack 1 or 2 w/Kaman in a trade.
We won't make the playoff this year; let's start re-tooling for next & hope we get a great Lottery pick.

[SportsFan215]

I am fine with this deal. I have always liked Augustin since his days at Texas. I would like to give him a chance to see how he fairs with EJ and Blake. Diop would simply be another big body, which is a good thing right now, and Carroll would just be warming the bench. Though, it would be easier to move the smaller, long contracts than larger one that Baron has.

[BoomFizzle]

move BDiddy 1st, then we can evaluate.
We can also trade smaller pieces or pack 1 or 2 w/Kaman in a trade.
We won't make the playoff this year; let's start re-tooling for next & hope we get a great Lottery pick.

I guess it makes more sense that way. You can keep Augistin to fill in for Baron and play Kaman when he is back to hopefully increase his trade stock. Then near deadline when a contender may be looking to retool or add size for the playoffs trade Kaman + Carrol/Diop. I don't really like the idea of tanking the season (especially with a possible lockout turning players off from entering the draft) but in reality its probably the best option.

Surely thats also the best option for Charlotte by that way of thinking though. They can just trade Wallace/Jackson with a bad contract for a similar package?

[donemilio21]

terrible trade. Diop makes $7mil a year for 3 more years and Carroll makes $4,5mil for 3 more years.
Clippers would be saving less than $10mil over 3 years to downgrade from Baron to Augustine.
No way, and Augustine is as bad of a shooter as Baron is. Maybe he is not a chuker but he shoots .420 from the field.
include Kaman for Wallace and I'm in.

[SportsFan215]

move BDiddy 1st, then we can evaluate.
We can also trade smaller pieces or pack 1 or 2 w/Kaman in a trade.
We won't make the playoff this year; let's start re-tooling for next & hope we get a great Lottery pick.

I guess it makes more sense that way. You can keep Augistin to fill in for Baron and play Kaman when he is back to hopefully increase his trade stock. Then near deadline when a contender may be looking to retool or add size for the playoffs trade Kaman + Carrol/Diop. I don't really like the idea of tanking the season (especially with a possible lockout turning players off from entering the draft) but in reality its probably the best option.

Surely thats also the best option for Charlotte by that way of thinking though. They can just trade Wallace/Jackson with a bad contract for a similar package?

I could be wrong, but if there is a lockout next year, then we would not only get a high pick in the 2011 draft, but also without a season next year, we would be assured of a high pick in the 2012 draft along with the high MIN pick then too. Again we don't know what type of system the NBA would use to decide the order of the draft, but my guess would be to use the same standings from this season and do the lottery again for the 2012 draft.

Could someone let me know if they have anymore information on this matter.

[BoomFizzle]

/\ Yes but I meant some freshman may be put off declaring for the draft if there is a possibility of a lockout.

[YouAreBeneathMe]

The Clippers don't have much choice at this point. As we saw with Gilbert Arenas, the Clippers appear ready to move Baron Davis despite the crapiness of the return trade package. At least Carroll and Diop can contribute as role players on a good team. Carroll provides length and shooting as a swingman while Diop is an above average shot blocker and defender at his position. While they are overpaid, LA would not have to worry about either player being a headcase in the locker room, nor taking away from the team concept when they are on the floor. With Baron, both these areas are of concern.

Augustin has underachieved as a point guard in this league, but it is not risky to add his rookie deal to the payroll, since he is not guaranteed a salary beyond next year.

Davis may be a good fit in Charlotte if the 'Cats start running and gunning with Larry Brown having recently departed. With Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace, and Boris Diaw to play alongside with, that style of offense would be ideal, as it would make the most of their abilities. They would resemble the Warriors of '07.

[ClipperEric]

Hmmm, this sounds pretty close to the trade I proposed just a month and a half ago:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1065345

LAC Gives
Baron Davis

CHA Gives
Diop
Carroll
Shaun Livingston

Clips try to dump Baron for the best package available. At least they get a backup Center and backup PG. Carroll's just in it for the salary match.

Charlotte gets a PG for a handful of scrubs.

As you can guess I'm ok with this new version. Anything to get rid of Baron.

And by bringing in Diop that means Kaman is next to go. DJ will start with Diop as backup. I hope we can get a decent prospect or a pick for Kaman.

[ClipperEric]

The only thing I don't like is having Augustine and Bledsoe, 2 midget guards. But maybe one of them would be going out in a package with Kaman?

[guille_4]

I´d accept Augustin and Carrol for BD, no way Diop is in the deal.

[BoomFizzle]

Im not sold on this idea of Baron being a headcase and a locker room cancer. He is lazy but from what I have seen all his teammates get on with him. They may get frustrated but I certainly don't see how he could be holding people back. Whenever Bledsoe is on the court I see Baron giving him tips and supporting him.

If the fans have turned on him, best thing to do is get rid of him. If he stays VDN and the fans are bound to make him the scapegoat regardless. Get rid of him now, continue to lose and maybe people will see VDN and plenty other players on the team are also to blame.

[PG3]

DO IT

Bledsoe has matured the past few games and i think can handle being the full time starting PG. Carroll can also help with the 3pt shooting off the bench and Diop can help with the defense down low.

I also prefer Livingston over Augustin but im good with trade 1 just to get rid of Baron.

[Kyle]

I'll take a 23 year old shooting 42% from the field & 35% from three over a 31 year old shooting 36% and just 18% from three any day. So please do not tell me he's not that much better of a shooter than Baron. He's averaging the same amount of assists as Baron and can actually shoot. Plus he's cheaper. We could always just cut Carrol or Diop.