BD for Augustin, Carrol & Diop

[ClipperDomination]

It's an interesting proposal. I think the Clipps should seek out more trade options, such as packaging Kaman in a deal with Boom to see what they can get in return. That said, I'm not totally against it, because I'd like to see Bledsoe become the main PG on the team sooner rather than later.

[clipper joe]

I'll take a 23 year old shooting 42% from the field & 35% from three over a 31 year old shooting 36% and just 18% from three any day. So please do not tell me he's not that much better of a shooter than Baron. He's averaging the same amount of assists as Baron and can actually shoot. Plus he's cheaper. We could always just cut Carrol or Diop.

You can't just "cut" a player. If you do, you still have to pay the full contract and you can't replace the player you cut. He counts against the cap, regardless.

If there is a buyout for 50% of the contract ( highly unlikely), you'll still be charged for that amount spread out through the duration of that contract.

[mkwest]

I'm hearing that the deal isn't likely, but I'll discuss it anyhow. I would personally be a little conflicted. Baron has been a huge disappointment since he has been signed. He has had his moments, and I believe that he was our best player last season. It's just less than what we were hoping for when we signed him. Moving him shows that we're going full speed ahead to move on and build this team around Griffin and Gordon.

Augustin is nice asset to have imo. He is undersized, but is a much better perimeter shooter than Baron and can convert at the line. At the very least, we get a look at him and he could even be a potential trade chip for us if something else became available. I don't care for taking back Diop and Carroll who have the same amount of years as Baron. It would be 1 1/2 to 2 years before these guys become attractive to other teams. Baron knows how to set up Blake and makes everything easier for him. A near $15M expiring in 2012 could be enticing to some teams in a couple years.

We've been very frustrated with Baron, but I still think that he'd be more useful to us than Carroll and Diop. Augustin would be nice to have, but not nice enough to add on the dead weight.

[Em1]

no going back and forth. Baron signed a 65 mill contract and has to be motivated to play hard and be in shape. That's a damn joke.

[Kyle]

I'll take a 23 year old shooting 42% from the field & 35% from three over a 31 year old shooting 36% and just 18% from three any day. So please do not tell me he's not that much better of a shooter than Baron. He's averaging the same amount of assists as Baron and can actually shoot. Plus he's cheaper. We could always just cut Carrol or Diop.

You can't just "cut" a player. If you do, you still have to pay the full contract and you can't replace the player you cut. He counts against the cap, regardless.

If there is a buyout for 50% of the contract ( highly unlikely), you'll still be charged for that amount spread out through the duration of that contract.

Then buy him out if you cant stand his contract. Either way we should make the trade

[scratch21]

man where do i sign?
Baron actually has someone interested o_0

[scoobs07]

They should do a follow up deal of butler and smith for hinrich(tall pg that could shoot)

[donemilio21]

WT says Bobcats are interested in dealing Wallace too.
As I said before if they involve Kaman for Wallace to that trade I'm in. Otherwise I agree with mkwest.

[Roscoe Sheed]

DO IT

Bledsoe has matured the past few games and i think can handle being the full time starting PG. Carroll can also help with the 3pt shooting off the bench and Diop can help with the defense down low.

I also prefer Livingston over Augustin but im good with trade 1 just to get rid of Baron.

I also want Livingston back. He seems recovered. Still has great size and court vision for a PG. However, that knee injury was so bad that perhaps he can't be relied upon to ever play heavy minutes in his career

[RiversideClips]

Forget Livingston!! He wasn't happy that we paid him for 2 years RECOVERY then offered him a 3 year Contract WELL above the league minimum.
Livingston is not welcome anywhere near my Clipper Nation, I would take BRAND back b4 Livingston

[clipper joe]

I'll take a 23 year old shooting 42% from the field & 35% from three over a 31 year old shooting 36% and just 18% from three any day. So please do not tell me he's not that much better of a shooter than Baron. He's averaging the same amount of assists as Baron and can actually shoot. Plus he's cheaper. We could always just cut Carrol or Diop.

You can't just "cut" a player. If you do, you still have to pay the full contract and you can't replace the player you cut. He counts against the cap, regardless.

If there is a buyout for 50% of the contract ( highly unlikely), you'll still be charged for that amount spread out through the duration of that contract.

Then buy him out if you cant stand his contract. Either way we should make the trade

Buy him out for what? 99.9 % of his contract? You think he'll give the Clippers a discount? Why would he buyout when he's guaranteed 100% of his contract? You were talking about Diop or Caroll, not Baron. I was just addressing your "cut the guy" idea. It's not like the NFL.

[thanumba2clippersfan]

I don't like the idea of trading Baron. We are starting to play better and I don't think Bledsoe or Augustin would be ready to start at PG. I say keep Baron for now.

[Kyle]

Your the guys crying about the contract. I dont care about his contract dude...
Im just providing options

[Recently]

Your the guys crying about the contract. I dont care about his contract dude...
Im just providing options

Problem is the option you give has virtually no tangible benefits. I'm not sure if you know how the NBA works from your posts.....

The vast majority contracts are guaranteed over their duration. If you buy someone out that doesn't want to be, you're going to be paying pretty much the entire value of the contract. This value still works against your cap space. The only benefit from buying someone out like that would be to make an extra roster spot if you needed space to sign another person.

Buy outs typically only work if the player and the team both want to part ways, not if the team just wants to get rid of a guy. Want proof? His name is Jamaal tinsley.............

Anyways that's somewhat off topic. I'm ok with the trade as is, if it occurs, but if we could somehow get wallace for kaman thrown in there, that would be pretty awesome. Dunno though, I have a feeling the Por-Cha trade is more likely to happen, as Jordan hasn't given up on the season it seems, and miller/camby (god i love camby) are much more useful than baron is.

[Sofia]

Forget Livingston!! He wasn't happy that we paid him for 2 years RECOVERY then offered him a 3 year Contract WELL above the league minimum.
Livingston is not welcome anywhere near my Clipper Nation, I would take BRAND back b4 Livingston

Took it too far man...

[Kyle]

Your the guys crying about the contract. I dont care about his contract dude...
Im just providing options

Problem is the option you give has virtually no tangible benefits. I'm not sure if you know how the NBA works from your posts.....

The vast majority contracts are guaranteed over their duration. If you buy someone out that doesn't want to be, you're going to be paying pretty much the entire value of the contract. This value still works against your cap space. The only benefit from buying someone out like that would be to make an extra roster spot if you needed space to sign another person.

Buy outs typically only work if the player and the team both want to part ways, not if the team just wants to get rid of a guy. Want proof? His name is Jamaal tinsley.............

Anyways that's somewhat off topic. I'm ok with the trade as is, if it occurs, but if we could somehow get wallace for kaman thrown in there, that would be pretty awesome. Dunno though, I have a feeling the Por-Cha trade is more likely to happen, as Jordan hasn't given up on the season it seems, and miller/camby (god i love camby) are much more useful than baron is.

K thanks...

[Det the Threat]

I'm absolutely on the get rid of Baron bandwagon, but that deal looks pretty aweful to me.

Yeah, Augustin could help and is a somehow decent pg, but he's a pretty tiny guy and I'm not sure if that's going to cut it for us, with Bledsoe being a somewhat similar guy.

Though, the biggest thing to be against this one are Carroll and Diop, who're nothing more then towel waivers making a combined 33.5 mil over the next 2 1/2 seasons.

Right now I'd rather keep Baron then doing this one(but I could understand the FO doing this, cause Diop had some solid moments while playing with Dallas and we're seeking another big and Carroll might be able to hit some jumpers), as those two contracts are pretty tough to swallow, because they might provide even less help to our team then Baron.

Still, if nothing attached to him, that's just how low Baron and his stock has sunk, thanks to him "playing" as crappy as he's done since he signed here.

[playaloc916]

As much as I'm disappointed in Davis' poor play, I'm not sure if this trade will improve the team. This is really a desperation move to get rid of Davis. I'm sure Augustin can be of some use, but I'm not so sure about Carrol and Diop.

Since the centerpieces of the trade will be Davis and Augustin, it comes down to how good Augustin could become. And since I've never really followed Augustin, I can't really pass any judgment on him. While older, Davis is probably the better playmaker, and with his experience, can help with Bledsoe's development.

I think I'm indifferent to this trade. If it happens, I'm okay with it, since Augustin looks like a decent player. If it doesn't, I'm okay as well, at least relatively speaking.