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Post#641 » by hands11 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:02 pm

MF23 wrote:The Wizards staff isn't doing him any favors having him play like this. Blatche is lazy both ways on the court. He's inconsistent and gets pushed around all over the court. Every big man in the league should start chumping' him. It's aggravating that there doesn't seem to be expectations for the Wizards this season. If this were a contending team Blatche's efforts wouldn't justify rotation minutes. Look at him. You get a sense when you watch him play that he is content with his level of effort. It's why he will never be an all-star or a starter on a team in contention.

I remember someone on this board saying what significant improvement does Al Hartford provide that would justify trading or signing him over keeping Blatche. Is there not an indifference between those two? Is Al Hartford lazy, out of shape, pushed around and transparently content with losing? What about Paul Milsap, Nene, Haslem or any other notch below all-star level playing big man on a playoff contender? People need to wake up and figure out whether this guy is a loser or if he's going to make a change within him. Flip apparently isn't going to do much in regards to Blatche except for hoping he gets is together. In my opinion this is the reason why Flip didn't get it done in Detroit. He can't get into his players to give the extra push like Larry Brown or Chuck Daley did. That is a subject for another time and this thread is focused on Blatche. I was just making a case that the weaknesses in Blatche have a connection with the Wizards as a whole. He's played for nothing but players coaches and has had the same easygoing FO his entire career.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pleased he's become as productive as he's been while being a 2nd round pick. EG deserves kudos but coming real soon a determination is going to have to be made on this man. Somebody has to be held accountable for his performance this season because it correlates to the Wizards winning and losing. It's obvious he isn't playing right or in shape. Who's fault is that and what's going to be done to improve it?

I'm becoming motivated to write Ted Leonsis. I believe I can give him a perspective that would be entertaining and enlightening. Food for thought with a little spice in it about blatche and other things.


As so often happens here, I think you are jumping the gun a little.

Sure the things you mention about focus and killer instinct are issues, but lets not forget the bigger picture that I wrote out earlier in this thread about Dray.

Give the kid credit that he plays through injuries. He was also are only real PF option before we got Lewis. Now Flip has him slated for 32 minutes a game so he can gauge what is in his tank and leave it all out there. And if he is not being effective or playing right, Flip can let it ride or pull him. As I said earlier here, this is the year to really coach Dray up. Problem is, he was injured over the summer and then got injured again during the season and there was no back up for him and Flip has needed to start more starting line up due to injury than any other NBA team.

I think with all the changes to this team that just happened, Dray as the leading scorer on the team, we trying to show he was a lead dog so he tried to hard to be the scorer. He and the team would probably benefit more from him just playing a role like KG does. Let Nick go off and let Kirk, Howard and Lewis do their things. Go grab some rebounds, box out, play D, show a physical presence, get inside, and take the catch and pop when open. Stop the one on one stuff dribbling to much.

I will be really interested to see what changes happen in his game and effort over the next 10 games. I want to see Flip coach him to get better angles and leverage in the post instead of all the gimmick moves. He isn't a great leapers, but he does has height and mass and a touch around the rim. He should be able to get position and keep it so he can score and get fouled.

He is still a young man. Time for him to became a tougher NBA level more mature man.

Like he said, it is mental. But that is what separates good players from playoff level great players. It is mental. Making the right decision. Having drive. Fighting through it.

Should be interesting to see what happens. Things seem to be working out for Nick, so Flip can be effective. But that is the way it goes with young soft minded talented players sometimes. Look at how they did Big Baby. They actually made that dude cry while sitting on the bench. Now he is more mentally tough.
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Post#642 » by hands11 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:10 pm

I will try one more time.

WizD

Do you see anyone else on this board who writes all in one block without separating thought or paragraphs ?

I assume you write in part so people will read it. Well, as some have recently commented, they look at the big block and txt and just scroll past it. That is if they even need to anymore because they already put you on ignore.

Spacing is your friend WizD. Hug it. Love it. Cherish it.

Who am I kidding, he isn't going to add any spacing. Just it was worth another try at least.
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Post#643 » by Ruzious » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:34 pm

And that bird you cannot chaaaange.
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Post#645 » by ErikChowbay023 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:33 am

What is this infatuation with the "Hop Step finish with the left hand". I see it in almost every player thread.
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Post#646 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:18 pm

ErikChowbay023 wrote:What is this infatuation with the "Hop Step finish with the left hand". I see it in almost every player thread.

And I think it's a minor point, anyhow. The hop step requires really good athleticism to execute properly. Guys like, Blake Griffin and Amare do it, but Blatche isn't that athletic. Most big men are one-foot jumpers because it's easier. Blatche is a one-foot jumper. It's not something that he's going to change at this stage of his career.

I think WizD made a much better point when he noted that Blatche refuses to fight for a low post position so he can receive a pass deep in the post. He'd rather step out to 18 feet and face up. I agree, and I believe it's something Blatche has the capability to improve. Blatche just needs to get stronger with his lower body. He also needs to work on a jump hook as his primary post move, with the fadeaway being a counter. I hate the way he takes that fadeaway as his first option. It's a low-efficiency shot.
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Post#647 » by WizarDynasty » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:59 pm

in order for blatche to perform a hop step with his left, he has to bounce the ball really hard and at the same time lunge ( the problem i see with blatche is that he doesn't have the athleticism to lunge in the air on his last dribble and catch the ball with both hands midair,--he always has one foot on the ground when he touches the ball with both hands--lack of athleticism) the key is that he can't put both hands on the ball until he has jumped into the air and left the ground with both feet, his first step counts as he landing. :roll: most people don't have good enough to handle bounce the ball hard while moving and jump as the ball is rising in the air and then catch the ball in mid air with both hands. But blatche use to do it last season and refs would call him for travel. Maybe his athleticism has dropped significantly since last season but he was the only powerforward i had ever seen execute a hop step with his left hand catching the ball in mid air while driving to the basket. Only guards with advanced dribble skills can perform that move which is why Blatche had the potential to be in a class of his own. that move is unstoppable for a guard and flat out cheating if a powerforward can do it with his left hand when his dominant hand is right.
I think blatche got discouraged because refs were calling travel but he should have kept on doing it and forced them to keep replaying in slow motion. Now his foot may keep him from doing his hall of fame signature move. Left hand hop step when your dominant hand is right...for a freakin' 260 lb powerforward.
that move if blatche could execute repeatedly would be up there with Kareem's sky hook, Hakeem's dream shake, iverson's cross and tims cross over, michael jordan's double clutch left side of rim layup.

if you look at this video, Blatche travels because he puts both hands on the ball before he takes his hop step. if he had only kept one hand onthe ball by bouncing it with force so that it floats in the air, he could have hop and that caught the ball with both hands in midair, when he landed he would have been allowed two steps. i think blatche's athleticism it starting to slip from his broken foot, he also seemed suprised that the defense would play his left hand. maybe flip isn't designing the offense for blatche getting attacked by a guard on his left side in the paint. surely there was weakness in the defense from that double team and the plays wasn't designed to attack it. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYLA3-MQGRc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/11/13/have-ball-will-travel-andray-blatche/comment-page-1/#comment-94242
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Post#648 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 6, 2011 8:11 pm

Will Dray finally get it together and finish the season strong now that Booker will be next to him.
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Post#649 » by Illuminaire » Sun Mar 6, 2011 11:00 pm

Can we change Hands' title to "Necromancer" yet? ;)

As for your question: I am not holding my breath for Andray to do anything other than set a new NBA record for club appearances,
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Post#650 » by nuposse04 » Mon Mar 7, 2011 2:50 am

he is playing better as of late, maybe I'm wanting him to succeed irrationally rather then evaluating the situation without a bias, but he doesn't seem to be the problem as of late. If nothing else he can increase his trade value...again, lol.
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Post#651 » by miller31time » Mon Mar 7, 2011 3:48 am

nuposse04 wrote:he is playing better as of late, maybe I'm wanting him to succeed irrationally rather then evaluating the situation without a bias, but he doesn't seem to be the problem as of late. If nothing else he can increase his trade value...again, lol.


I think he's healthier now than he's been in a while. He's been crashing the boards well and taking it inside as well. I still hate his overall game and want him off the team ASAP, but the Blatche we've watched the past couple months was not a healthy player.
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Post#652 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 7, 2011 4:03 am

Amazing how much health plays a role in a player's productivity and on court success.

First Wall, now Blatche.
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Post#653 » by nuposse04 » Mon Mar 7, 2011 4:29 am

miller31time wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:he is playing better as of late, maybe I'm wanting him to succeed irrationally rather then evaluating the situation without a bias, but he doesn't seem to be the problem as of late. If nothing else he can increase his trade value...again, lol.


I think he's healthier now than he's been in a while. He's been crashing the boards well and taking it inside as well. I still hate his overall game and want him off the team ASAP, but the Blatche we've watched the past couple months was not a healthy player.


I don't know how you can hate his game currently when he is playing bigger as of late. Mind you this is a very small sample size but if he continues to play within himself and contribute with this level of efficiency I'd rather not ship him off for nothing. I'd love to see how a lineup of

Wall
Young
Lewis
Sullinger/Kanter (Should we be so lucky on any of these two guys)
Blatche

fair next year at the start of the season and go from there.
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Post#654 » by Jay81 » Mon Mar 7, 2011 1:05 pm

Good to see baltche showing glimpses of last year. He needs a Noah or Chandler playing with him. We had numerous chances to get Chandler cheap and failed
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Post#655 » by closg00 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Miss Blatche much? :roll:
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Post#656 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:44 pm

closg00 wrote:Miss Blatche much? :roll:


Any ETA for his return.
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Post#657 » by Kanyewest » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:19 pm

Jay81 wrote:Good to see baltche showing glimpses of last year. He needs a Noah or Chandler playing with him. We had numerous chances to get Chandler cheap and failed


There wasn't much point bringing in Chandler in as a long term option given that the Wizards are rebuilding now and that he's an impending free agent this offseason.
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Post#658 » by Rafael122 » Wed May 4, 2011 5:41 pm

Bought a condo in Miami and is having some sort of Lap Dance Tuesday thing. Hopefully that's code for "cardio"
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Post#659 » by theboomking » Wed May 4, 2011 5:57 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Bought a condo in Miami and is having some sort of Lap Dance Tuesday thing. Hopefully that's code for "cardio"

I think there is a solid chance that "Lapdance Tuesday" might get Blatche traded this offseason. I have no problem with Andray gonig to a strip club and getting lap dances. Hell, it is an improvement over soliciting an undercover police officer. But to sponsor lap dance Tuesday, and Tweet about it, is just stupid and classless.
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Post#660 » by verbal8 » Wed May 4, 2011 6:03 pm

theboomking wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Bought a condo in Miami and is having some sort of Lap Dance Tuesday thing. Hopefully that's code for "cardio"

I think there is a solid chance that "Lapdance Tuesday" might get Blatche traded this offseason. I have no problem with Andray gonig to a strip club and getting lap dances. Hell, it is an improvement over soliciting an undercover police officer. But to sponsor lap dance Tuesday, and Tweet about it, is just stupid and classless.


If there ever was anyone I would be interested in seeing tweet about going to the gym and eating a chicken sandwich it would be Blatche. While lap dance Tuesday may be more interesting, it doesn't bode well for him to develop his talent.

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