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Red Larrivee wrote:Whatever excuses you want to use to put that into perspective is fine. But at this very moment, how can you say otherwise?
LoveDaBoo wrote:bruta1 wrote:well christmas is ruined, time to drink
This.
And FT's cost us another game. That's at least two now.
Finally, we ran another "layup miss" drill today. We miss more goddamn layups than any team since the NBA was formed.
Red Larrivee wrote:I'm not down on the Bulls at all. I love our team. We're 18-10 and likely going to win our first Central Division title since 1998.
All I'm pointing out is that the Knicks are on the same level as us. Whatever excuses you want to use to put that into perspective is fine. But at this very moment, how can you say otherwise?
Pong-Man83 wrote:Hooray they beat us twice without our top 3 center and top 5 PF!!! Good for them. Let's keep ignoring those facts.
jl342323 wrote:u definitely stayed in the knicks board a lil too long.
SMAC-K wrote:Rerisen wrote:You don't seem to be convincing anyone here. I'm sure you'll find more acceptance on the Knicks board though.
You guys bash Knicks fans for everything your doing yourselves. You clown on Knicks fans for being delusional for this for that, then I look on this board and see everything you say we do, you guys do as well. Dont hate the Knicks fans when your own fans are just as bad.
Red Larrivee wrote:Pong-Man83 wrote:Hooray they beat us twice without our top 3 center and top 5 PF!!! Good for them. Let's keep ignoring those facts.
Again, whatever helps you sleep better. Ignore these facts:
-We haven't outplayed them.
-We haven't done anything to them.
-They've played better basketball than us in two games.
They're not a better team than us, but they are on our level. If they weren't, they wouldn't be playing as they have in our two meetings.
Red Larrivee wrote:Pong-Man83 wrote:Hooray they beat us twice without our top 3 center and top 5 PF!!! Good for them. Let's keep ignoring those facts.
Again, whatever helps you sleep better. Ignore these facts:
-We haven't outplayed them.
-We haven't done anything to them.
-They've played better basketball than us in two games.
They're not a better team than us, but they are on our level. If they weren't, they wouldn't be playing as they have in our two meetings.jl342323 wrote:u definitely stayed in the knicks board a lil too long.
No, I'm just a realist. I don't like the Knicks, but I can at least admit when they're playing at a solid level.
Rerisen wrote:Go back and read the comments I made to the Knicks fan. This is why I said you seem down on the team. If you can't even accept the *real* significance of strength of schedule differences, injuries, and our much superior point differential despite those things.
Pong-Man83 wrote:So you are saying not having Boozer OR Noah makes no significant difference for us when comparing each team? And you are also saying that the Bulls aren't better with a full healthy team but are equals to the Knicks?
jl342323 wrote:idk man i think ur being delirious.
Red Larrivee wrote:-We haven't outplayed them.
Pong-Man83 wrote:So you are saying not having Boozer OR Noah makes no significant difference for us when comparing each team? And you are also saying that the Bulls aren't better with a full healthy team but are equals to the Knicks?
Red Larrivee wrote:illogical to believe the Knicks aren't on the same level as us.
Rerisen wrote:Yes we have. Throughout the season we have the better record, better underlying metrics, and tougher schedule.
Don't over extrapolate 2 games. That's like weird triangle logic. Say the Lakers beat the Knicks when they play, well we beat the Lakers, so we must be better than the Lakers!
It's just small sample sizes don't mean much. Over the season we've been better.
If you want to say if we met them in the playoffs, they would specifically be a tough matchup because of these 2 games, it would have more merit, but I'd probably still not put that much stock due to no Noah/Boozer when we've played.
rtblues wrote:I posted in the game thread before this game, be aware of Landry Fields rebounding.
So, he finished with 11, 3 Offensive.. and 14 points...
Wait a minute, can we get this guy as our SG?
Half-serious!!!
Red Larrivee wrote:Pong-Man83 wrote:So you are saying not having Boozer OR Noah makes no significant difference for us when comparing each team? And you are also saying that the Bulls aren't better with a full healthy team but are equals to the Knicks?
Is it really hard to read what I wrote? Here's cliff notes:
-The Bulls are better than the Knicks.
-The Bulls and Knicks are in the same tier.
-Stop underestimating a team that is over .500 and has beaten us twice.
Injuries are a valid point, but this is the NBA. Games aren't won on what your team might be at full strength. You're judged on the product you put out on the floor today. Today we put out a team that once again was beat by the Knicks.
Rerisen wrote:What does that even mean, on the same level?
I think we are better than them, and if we played them in a series (healthy) we would win.
I think we would have the better chance to beat ORL/BOS/MIA than them too.
That's making a clear statement as opposed to vague "same level" talk that could mean anything. What does that mean to you? That they are exactly equal to us, that they will have the same record? I don't know what position that comment is supposed to be supporting.
Red Larrivee wrote:They're a good team.