Post Game Thread: Tough Loss but it's just ONE L at the end

[Subway Token]

Why does Bogans start, let alone get any PT? He's trash. Watson would make a better starting 2 guard.... Hell, I'd rather even play Deng at the SG and Taj at the SF. Bogans is THAT BAD.

Good game nonetheless... you guys missed Noah, but at the same time, the loss came in the 4th Q where no offense was to be found... not sure where Noah could contribute there.

[BrooklynBulls]

Why does Bogans start, let alone get any PT? He's trash. Watson would make a better starting 2 guard.... Hell, I'd rather even play Deng at the SG and Taj at the SF. Bogans is THAT BAD.

Good game nonetheless... you guys missed Noah, but at the same time, the loss came in the 4th Q where no offense was to be found... not sure where Noah could contribute there.

Noah has more O than any of our bigs not named Carlos. And he's the best passer of the bunch too. And the best offensive rebounder. So he could have helped right off.

And it would have been an entirely different game to begin with. Forget the 4th.

[Subway Token]

Why does Bogans start, let alone get any PT? He's trash. Watson would make a better starting 2 guard.... Hell, I'd rather even play Deng at the SG and Taj at the SF. Bogans is THAT BAD.

Good game nonetheless... you guys missed Noah, but at the same time, the loss came in the 4th Q where no offense was to be found... not sure where Noah could contribute there.

Noah has more O than any of our bigs not named Carlos. And he's the best passer of the bunch too. And the best offensive rebounder. So he could have helped right off.

And it would have been an entirely different game to begin with. Forget the 4th.

I guess you're right. But what can you do? It is what it is, and it gets chalked up as a W for the Knicks. Maybe once (if) we meet in the postseason, all members of each party will be healthy and ready for battle.

[BrooklynBulls]

I guess you're right. But what can you do? It is what it is, and it gets chalked up as a W for the Knicks. Maybe once (if) we meet in the postseason, all members of each party will be healthy and ready for battle.

Definitely, it'll be nice to see what you can do with a few small roster tweaks-- you really need a backup PG.

May I interest you in one Keith Bogans?

[Subway Token]

I guess you're right. But what can you do? It is what it is, and it gets chalked up as a W for the Knicks. Maybe once (if) we meet in the postseason, all members of each party will be healthy and ready for battle.

Definitely, it'll be nice to see what you can do with a few small roster tweaks-- you really need a backup PG.

May I interest you in one Keith Bogans?

Sure, if you take back a newly-resigned Marbury for a max contract.

[BrooklynBulls]

According to Knicks fans, we've already got him. No dice.

[Subway Token]

According to Knicks fans, we've already got him. No dice.

Touche.

[Coco Martin]

Hey, Knicks fan here. Good fun game. We both played sloppy on the first half. But the Knicks picked up on the second and shut down offence on the 4th. Boozer is a beast at the boards and Rose is well...Rose, I was getting hunches he would take over the game.

I don't understand what the deal is on both forums trolling each other, it's quite (Please Use More Appropriate Word). We have idiot fans on our side who whine when we are losing after underestimating a team and flip the moment we win too. Only a few of us give credit where it is due. I am just happy we are on our way to making the playoffs after the crap we went through. The fact we are 6 games over .500 is more than I can ask for from my team.

In truth, a lot of the reasonable fans don't post quite often while the trolls/homers run their mouths. The Knicks are solid, not great, but not bad either (Beat OKC by 14, Nugs, Hornets, you guys but also lose to Heat, Cavs). If you guys had Noah, we would've been whooped.

Hoping the Bulls are healthy next time we meet. April 12, your turf, on TNT.

Thanks to the great game and Merry Christmas to you and your family.

[Jo Jo English]

When you get your pathetic argument rebutted, you come back with this gem. The bulls have a better record coming off the much tougher schedule and that's all that needs to be said. Your the one coming up with excuses. The knicks are not a better team then the bulls.

I don't understand this though, you guys were good enough to beat the Dallas mavericks/ Denver Nuggets without Boozer. Yet the " we're missing such and such player " excuse gets brought up when you lose to the Knicks twice? So the wins according to alot of people here don't count...Oh well there's another game in april lets hope both teams will be FULLY HEALTHY

What is not to understand? Just because the Bulls are a deep enough team to get a few quality wins without Boozer doesn't mean that he lacks value as a player or that the Bulls aren't a better team with him. Same goes for Joakim Noah. The Bulls are capable of beating any team, with or without Boozer or Noah, but having them both in uniform would sure make it a heck of a lot easier.

Look, I am not one to complain about injuries, so I won't. They are a part of the game. Every team will have to deal with them at some point during the season, some teams more so than others. It just so happens that each time the Bulls and Knicks have met this season the Bulls have been lacking one of their two key big men. Oh well, it happens. But let's not pretend that it is impossible that it did play a role in the outcome of the games. The Knicks may very well have won both games regardless of who played for the Bulls, but it isn't as if being healthy would have hurt Chicago's chances.

But like you said, let's hope both teams are healthy for the next match up.

[Ron Harper]

Both teams are a piece or two from being in the Bos, Mia, LA,Spurs, Mavs class.

Yes but only one of those teams has the flexibility and or future cap room to get that piece. That being said the Bull are a very good team that doesn't seem matchup well with another good team, no biggy.

lol, pretty funny you think that passive aggressive attitude is no biggy. I'm trying to set my bias aside here...In a 7 game series, with adjustments, a healthy roster, and talent, I really think the Bulls are the more experienced and solid team.

I saw the Bulls making a lot of "beat ourselves" plays. We went nearly 5 minutes without hitting a shot. No matter the D you play, that's not happening often. I'm not making excuses, you guys won, outplayed us by a far margin. However, I know this Bulls team, and this was not who they are.

Also, take into account we are most likely a higher seed, so we may not even have to worry about the Knicks. This game was just a bad game, the kind of game where you miss shots and just can't find your rhythm.

Now sometimes this is due to your opponent, but that is not the case the 2 games thus far vs the Knicks. There isn't any set the Knicks run that really knocks us off balance. That high pick and roll with Felton/Amare killed us. Very nicely ran by those two. But Booz/Taj/Thomas were not calling out those rotations. Rose rode Felton into the heart of the lane and we were consistently late on our rotations. Now you can't say "If Noah was there we would have been a lot more cognizant of assignments"...But...Noah was not there. Our vocal leader, the guy who holds himself and the team accountable for rotations. So we will see.

Celts and Magic are much more capable teams and much more likely to match up vs us in the playoffs. That's just the reality of the situation.

Now, a lot can change with injuries and trades, but as is, the Knicks are not a concern. I can say after watching the game, I'm fairly sure everything that happened is correctable. Talent, execution, and coaching will take care of the rest in a 7 game series. So I guess both fan bases can find a reason to be confident.

[BJ43]

We went nearly 5 minutes without hitting a shot. No matter the D you play, that's not happening often. I'm not making excuses, you guys won, outplayed us by a far margin. However, I know this Bulls team, and this was not who they are.

Wasn't it over 8 mins?

[Red8911]

I believe they were off because this game was too early, and if they had played night time things would of been different...I hate losing t the Knicks, but watever its one loss, beat gordon and the pistons tmoro and its good...

[NJPro20]

Bull fans may be loath to admit this but:

Rose - 25pts, 12/28 shooting, 8 assists, 8 TOs, 6 STLs.
Felton - 20 pts, 9/18 shooting, 10 assists, 7 TOs, 5 STLs.

There is no question that rose is an all star PG, but NY's pickup of Felton as a UFA for 7 million a season has made that team and may very well be the FO move of the off season. And the thing about Felton is he's done it all year with NY. What Charlotte was thinking in letting that guy go for nothing is beyond me.

BTW, it may not be a popular opinion but the Bulls and Knicks are closer together than many here seem to want to believe.

So basically we have to be missing a legit 20/10 PF or a top 3 center for us to be equal. Good to know

I agree the Bulls are (at full strength) a really solid team. Add a solid SG and you'll be really tough.

We are also not yet at full strength though. We are dragging around an 11 million dollar anchor in Eddy "Buffet Buster" Curry's contract. Our teams are closer than most are giving credit.

The "punching in the throat" and "hope their plane crashes" is stupid childish BS. You sound like a few of my fellow Knick fans that give US a bad name.

I think we can look forward to alot of good games and hopefully a few playoff series against each other over the next few years. Good Luck

[NJPro20]

The real question is does this bad L break the back of the Chigago Bulls? Is there season now destroyed, have the New york Knicks put a dagger through there heart. Or was this just a nasty old fashion punch in the mouth? That the Bulls can bounce back from, I for one question this team lack of a heart. It's gut check time in Chicago.

Did you purposely put your periods and commas in the exact opposite places, or are you just that dumb? Judging by the content of your post, I'm going with latter.

AmareNY, You are an idiot. Go back to our board where we can continue to ignore you. You are exactly the type that gives us all a bad name. Now STFU and GTFO the Bulls or any other teams boards. You embarrass us.

[BullsCroatia]

Hey, Knicks fan here. Good fun game. We both played sloppy on the first half. But the Knicks picked up on the second and shut down offence on the 4th. Boozer is a beast at the boards and Rose is well...Rose, I was getting hunches he would take over the game.

I don't understand what the deal is on both forums trolling each other, it's quite (Please Use More Appropriate Word). We have idiot fans on our side who whine when we are losing after underestimating a team and flip the moment we win too. Only a few of us give credit where it is due. I am just happy we are on our way to making the playoffs after the crap we went through. The fact we are 6 games over .500 is more than I can ask for from my team.

In truth, a lot of the reasonable fans don't post quite often while the trolls/homers run their mouths. The Knicks are solid, not great, but not bad either (Beat OKC by 14, Nugs, Hornets, you guys but also lose to Heat, Cavs). If you guys had Noah, we would've been whooped.

Hoping the Bulls are healthy next time we meet. April 12, your turf, on TNT.

Thanks to the great game and Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Class post.

[sco]

As a NY-based Bulls fan, this was a tough game for me. First of all, let's face it, there is a formula for beating us, it's a team with good interior shot blocking (doesn't even need to be a good defensive team...just a big who can bother Rose's and Deng's shots close in) and a team that makes it's 3's. Fortunately there aren't a ton of those teams. The Knicks to their credit gameplanned for us well and the f'in lit up their Christmas trees with those 3 balls.

Honestly, we'd be better with Noah, but I'm not sure he'd solve this problem for us. Maybe if our perimeter guys could stop cheating off their guys and cover the 3pt line, it would have worked, but we never seem to do that.

I hope that a loss or two will get Thibs over his Bogans superstition, which must be his reason for starting him. I feel bad for Bogans, because it doesn't look like even he has confidence in himself and wants nothing to do with shooting on offense.

[sdeezy]

Its 1 Loss

On to the next one

[Jmonty580]

Knicks fan here (i know you guys are tired of hearing that but I couldnt resist giving my 2 cents). I'm not here to troll, i respect this bulls team as a good battle tested team. (which battle tested we really aren’t imo)

As for the Knicks trolls, I'll say this, they have this weak need to get respect from opposing teams fanbase. My opinion is make them respect our team. We are def. improved as most here give credit to, but yet alot to prove. Some here obviously hate the Knicks and refuse to give us any credit whatsoever. Thats cool, this is the bulls board its understandable. Some here say the Knicks are ok, but we didnt have Noah this time. Again, understandable Noah is a very good player and would have made a difference in this past game. Some here even go as far to say the Knicks are a good team and can compete with us, Noah or no Noah. I think that’s reasonable, but we cant really say what it will be like with Noah and boozer both playing until we see that.

I will say this, there seems to be alot of bitterness because most Bulls fans are used to the Knicks of the past, and pregame posts show a large percentage of overly confident bulls fans taking this Knicks team very lightly even with Noah not playing. I myself as a Knicks fan have been waiting for the Knicks of the past to show its ugly face again so I can understand other teams fans not believing these Knicks are for real yet. I'm getting a little more comfortable with expecting to compete with teams like the Bulls, and better teams like the Celtics (We didnt show up against the heat at all), but at the end of the day alot of your fans are right.. lets see what things look like in 2 or 3 weeks...lets see what things look like at the end of the season. I'm with you there. We need to make the playoffs and at least put up a good showing in the 1st round in order to really finish taking that step in the right direction. This is a team that has been used to losing that is trying to change that losing culture into a winning culture. We've had decent succuss against some weak teams no doubt but we've also beat some quality and good teams on our way to where we are. I dont need you guys to give the Knicks any credit but I will say to those who simply think they are the Knicks therefore they suck.. your sadly mistaken and misinformed. While this Knicks team is greatly flawed, they do have thier pluses as well. Three point shooting going well is not a fluke and if the Bulls continue to wait for a bad three point shooting night against the Knicks, they may not see one. Contesting shots in the lane during crunch time, we’ve been doing it all season successfully, especially in the 4th quarter when it matters most. We have good chemistry, and we share the ball, we really just want to win at all costs. I feel like these guys have gotten a little taste of what winning in NY is like and they want as much of it as possible. There really are very few me frist guys on this Knicks team if any. Its Amare’s team and the rest of the Knicks do whatever is needed to get us the win. Gallo, Chandler, Fields, they are all competing with each other for pt and recognition, but you wont see them give second thought on the court to passing the ball to one another.

I’m not here to gloat, just here to say, yes the bulls are a good team. Obviously a win vs. the bulls means more to the Knicks than a win against the knicks means to the bulls at this point. You guys have been good for a few years now and your expectations are higher. We are trying to create high expectations and beating good teams (such as yourself) builds confidence. Excuse the trolls, they’re immature and imo prematurely overly excited, but try to understand where these extreme fans looking at life through orange colored glasses are coming from and it will make a little more sense (no less annoying to you guys ofcourse, but at least you know why they are acting that way).
I look forward to playing you guys again and hopefully at full strength next time to give us a better gauge of how we match up against one of the better teams in the east. Hopefully at that point in the season the games are a little more meaningful as I want the Knicks to not only be in the playoff picture but I want them to be a team that other teams don’t take lightly.


P.S. to you guys taking your frustrations out of Rose, you must be crazy. Almost every team in the league would die to have him on their team. The kid is a spectacular YOUNG talent who will still only get better as time goes on. Yesterdays game might not have been his best, but wow if that is a bad game for him I’d die to have him on the Knicks.

[JasonFTW]

Still pretty upset on how we played and came out yesterday, looking back at that game really made me realize that this ''nice guy'' thing is a real problem also, i just thought it wasn't really a big deal till i seen how the knicks came out with toughness and more desire than us. Yeah, we need help offensively but we also need to fix this ''nice guy'' image as well. For now i just see us as a playoff team and nothing more until we fix these things i mention.

[whonka]

Knicks fan here (i know you guys are tired of hearing that but I couldnt resist giving my 2 cents). I'm not here to troll, i respect this bulls team as a good battle tested team. (which battle tested we really aren’t imo)

As for the Knicks trolls, I'll say this, they have this weak need to get respect from opposing teams fanbase. My opinion is make them respect our team. We are def. improved as most here give credit to, but yet alot to prove. Some here obviously hate the Knicks and refuse to give us any credit whatsoever. Thats cool, this is the bulls board its understandable. Some here say the Knicks are ok, but we didnt have Noah this time. Again, understandable Noah is a very good player and would have made a difference in this past game. Some here even go as far to say the Knicks are a good team and can compete with us, Noah or no Noah. I think that’s reasonable, but we cant really say what it will be like with Noah and boozer both playing until we see that.

I will say this, there seems to be alot of bitterness because most Bulls fans are used to the Knicks of the past, and pregame posts show a large percentage of overly confident bulls fans taking this Knicks team very lightly even with Noah not playing. I myself as a Knicks fan have been waiting for the Knicks of the past to show its ugly face again so I can understand other teams fans not believing these Knicks are for real yet. I'm getting a little more comfortable with expecting to compete with teams like the Bulls, and better teams like the Celtics (We didnt show up against the heat at all), but at the end of the day alot of your fans are right.. lets see what things look like in 2 or 3 weeks...lets see what things look like at the end of the season. I'm with you there. We need to make the playoffs and at least put up a good showing in the 1st round in order to really finish taking that step in the right direction. This is a team that has been used to losing that is trying to change that losing culture into a winning culture. We've had decent succuss against some weak teams no doubt but we've also beat some quality and good teams on our way to where we are. I dont need you guys to give the Knicks any credit but I will say to those who simply think they are the Knicks therefore they suck.. your sadly mistaken and misinformed. While this Knicks team is greatly flawed, they do have thier pluses as well. Three point shooting going well is not a fluke and if the Bulls continue to wait for a bad three point shooting night against the Knicks, they may not see one. Contesting shots in the lane during crunch time, we’ve been doing it all season successfully, especially in the 4th quarter when it matters most. We have good chemistry, and we share the ball, we really just want to win at all costs. I feel like these guys have gotten a little taste of what winning in NY is like and they want as much of it as possible. There really are very few me frist guys on this Knicks team if any. Its Amare’s team and the rest of the Knicks do whatever is needed to get us the win. Gallo, Chandler, Fields, they are all competing with each other for pt and recognition, but you wont see them give second thought on the court to passing the ball to one another.

I’m not here to gloat, just here to say, yes the bulls are a good team. Obviously a win vs. the bulls means more to the Knicks than a win against the knicks means to the bulls at this point. You guys have been good for a few years now and your expectations are higher. We are trying to create high expectations and beating good teams (such as yourself) builds confidence. Excuse the trolls, they’re immature and imo prematurely overly excited, but try to understand where these extreme fans looking at life through orange colored glasses are coming from and it will make a little more sense (no less annoying to you guys ofcourse, but at least you know why they are acting that way).
I look forward to playing you guys again and hopefully at full strength next time to give us a better gauge of how we match up against one of the better teams in the east. Hopefully at that point in the season the games are a little more meaningful as I want the Knicks to not only be in the playoff picture but I want them to be a team that other teams don’t take lightly.


P.S. to you guys taking your frustrations out of Rose, you must be crazy. Almost every team in the league would die to have him on their team. The kid is a spectacular YOUNG talent who will still only get better as time goes on. Yesterdays game might not have been his best, but wow if that is a bad game for him I’d die to have him on the Knicks.

Props to the good post.

I do think the Knicks are good. I rooted for them a lot against the Celtics and Heat last week, and wanted them to win badly. First time I've ever wanted the Knicks to win 2 games so badly in a week.

I'm more pissed about the way we came out and sleepwalked/went through the motions in 2.5 quarters than the fact that we lost to the Knicks.